Master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz ("Lost," "Tron: Legacy") invite everyone to join Emma Swan, Snow White, Prince Charming, The Evil Queen, Hook and all the other resident fairytale characters as they prepare to defend themselves against a magical force from the past that's too unpredictable even for Rumplestiltskin - Elsa, the Ice Queen from Arendelle.
Welcome to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won't show up on your GPS, but it's a magical place to visit. Reality and myth merged after Emma broke Regina's curse, which had deprived the fairy tale characters of their memories and trapped them in our modern world. When they finally regained their identities, our heroes were dismayed to discover that they weren't transported back to Fairy Tale Land. To make matters worse, Rumplestiltskin - aka Mr. Gold - decided to escalate his power struggle with Regina by introducing magic into the town. But this is our world, and magic always has a tendency to yield unfathomable consequences.
You never give up on the people you love...
The Storybrooke residents do not know what Elsa has in store for them. Back in the past, in Elsa's kingdom of Arendelle, we will discover what happened to her, her sister Anna and Kristoff, and how and why Elsa became a prisoner of Rumplestiltskin. And now that Emma has brought back Robin Hood's wife, Marian, and possibly sparked the end of Regina's relationship with him, will she return to her old, evil ways and do everything in her power to get even? And newlyweds Belle and Rumplestiltskin continue to be deeply in love with each other. But Rumple is hiding a secret from Belle -- one that, if found out, could destroy their happiness - he continues to be the master of the dagger that calls upon him to be the Dark One. Can Emma and Hook commit to one another, and can these two damaged people take their love to the next level? Mary Margaret and David have a new baby, Prince Neal, and are looking forward to raising him into a proud, brave and loving adult. But they are still sad that they were not able to do this with Emma, instead helping her escape the curse when she was first born and not meeting her again until she was 28 years old. Henry is very happy to have both of his mothers back in Storybrooke. But with biological mom Emma and paternal grandfather Rumplestiltskin's blood running through his veins, he will be tested by both the light and the darkness. Finally, Will Scarlet (Michael Socha, "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland"), a former member of Robin Hood's band of Merry Men, has traveled across many lands to make his way to Storybrooke. He finds himself intertwined in the goings-on in town for the first time as his mysterious past pushes him to an unknown future.
As the season continues, new fairy tale characters will be revealed and old acquaintances will be revisited. But not everyone can be trusted. ABC Lead 8/13/2014
4.14 - "Enter the Dragon" written by D.H. Goodman & J. Schwartz | Airdate: 3/15/2015
REGINA GOES UNDERCOVER WITH THE QUEENS OF DARKNESS,
– In order to infiltrate the Queens of Darkness as a spy for the heroes, Regina must prove she’s still willing to get her hands dirty. Meanwhile, Emma, David and Mary Margaret scramble to keep tabs on their undercover operative. Hook requests an unusual favor from Belle as Henry makes progress on his search for the Author. In a Fairy Tale Land flashback, Regina befriends Maleficent and helps her to rekindle her lost spark, SUNDAY, MARCH 15 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
Guest stars include Tony Amendola as Marco/Geppetto, Eion Bailey as August, Sarah Bolger as Aurora, Merrin Dungey as Ursula, Victoria Smurfit as Cruella De Vil, Jakob Davies as Pinocchio, Sebastian Roche as King Stefan, Kristin Bauer van Straten as Maleficent, Noah Beggs as Bartender and Russell Roberts as Visiting Duke.
”Enter the Dragon” was written by David H. Goodman and Jerome Schwartz and directed by Ralph Hemecker. | Source ABC
Episode 15 (airing March 15) will reveal why the pirate has a quite complicated past with sea witch Ursula — and the nature of it is “far worse” than any romantic indiscretion, says co-creator Eddy Kitsis. “When you think about what would be worse than having your heart broken, I would say having your soul crushed. You’re going to see the entire flashback of what happened, with the origin of Ursula.”| source
recurring role King whose crown was hard-won, “handsome, though not refined, and highly protective of his family. | X
Miranda,” 19- to 22-year-old princess ” warmhearted and passionate,” Yet beneath gentle exterior, headstrong and full of grit | X
King Poseidon, in addition to being the the powerful deity of legend, is father of the villainous Ursula | X
'Once Upon a Time' showrunners spill 'Frozen' secrets (no Olaf!) EW: I’ve avoided asking you specific plot questions because I know that’s the area you don’t want to get into. But is there anything you’re comfortable to tease overall about how the Frozen storyline works into the rest of the show? Kitsis: Thematically we can say the first half of the season is about how you never give up on the people you love.
What will happen when Emma finds out about whatever secret Snow and Charming are hiding from her on Once Upon a Time? — Kyra Snow and Charming will struggle with whether to tell their daughter the truth during Sunday’s episode. “[Emma’s] done a lot of growing over the three and a half seasons, so what happens when you find out that the person that was helping you grow might actually be as bad as the people you were trying to get away from?” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. The secret could actually push Emma closer to Regina. “Given what Emma is starting to go through and what Regina has gone through, there’s a new common ground between the two characters that will help build on that friendship,” executive producer Adam Horowitz says. “In addition to Henry, they now have something else they can share and deal with.” |EW 3/06
3. @AshAshmarie20: Any hope that can be given for Rumbellers or why they should continue watching given the recent spoilers?
According to Kitsis, there's definitely hope for Rumple and Belle to rekindle their flame. "He is going to do his Rumple-ist to get Belle back. So you are going to see full-Rumple." To follow up on that, Horowitz confessed that at the end of episode 14, Rumple will start on a "new quest that he's really energized about." Our money is on a love quest with a side of revenge.
9. @asinoski: Will we find out that someone is pregnant? *coughReginacough*
We're going to plead the fifth on this one.
10. @Chloe_Queen: Please any on Emma/Snow relationship? We really didn't have much in 4A. I miss seeing Emma/Snow scenes!
Well then you might not want to hold your breath for some Storybrooke "Mommy and Me" scenes in the next two episodes. We will have more Charming Family scenes than we've had in the past, but that doesn't mean that these scenes will be truth-filled ones. (Sorry, y'all...)
13. @good_plain_jane: Do we get to see any of Hook's insecurities that Adam & Eddy were talking about? Or any clue which QOD he knows?
We're definitely getting a deeper peek at the internal struggles that Hook is battling with. "We are going to realize that he has got some things going on in his head that he is concerned about," Kitsis shared. As for which Queen of Darkness Hook shares a past with? We can't tell you who it is, but we can tell you that Emma's wave of jealousy/curiosity after seeing [Spoiler] and Hook's first encounter back together is definitely worth-watching.
17. @PhoenixHeart815: Will we find out how Ursula & Cruella were able to live outside of Storybrooke (Real World) without aging during the 28-year curse?
According to the creators we most definitely will, but we can confirm that it will not happen in the next two episodes. "There’s an upcoming episode where all the piece on the chessboard are laid up and we find out who wound up where and why," Horowitz said. "That will also speak to the earlier question of why these three and how they connected and what they’re all after together."
19. @mysunshine0808" Scoop on the Snowing secret? A hint? A breadcrumb?
Oh, we can definitely give you more than a measly bread-crumb: The Snowing secret is a two-parter. The first part -- if revealed -- will greatly affect their family dynamic. The second will drastically change the way you've always looked at this beloved couple.
Do you have any scoop on what’s going with Once Upon a Time’s Hook? —Jessica
Ausiello: Episode 15 (airing March 15) will reveal why the pirate has a quite complicated past with sea witch Ursula — and the nature of it is “far worse” than any romantic indiscretion, says co-creator Eddy Kitsis. “When you think about what would be worse than having your heart broken, I would say having your soul crushed. You’re going to see the entire flashback of what happened, with the origin of Ursula.”
Is Once Upon a Time actually considering a Belle/Hook pairing or are they just keeping the two busy, while Rumple and Emma are busy with the Queens of Darkness? —Linda No, no, no. They’re not hinting at a Belle/Hook pairing. Belle and Will Scarlett, however, may be a different story, as you’ll see teased this Sunday. As series co-creator Eddy Kitsis notes, Belle and Will, after all, have “a lot in common,” in that “they both fell in love with villains (Rumple and Wonderland’s Red Queen, respectively), and they both hoped that these villains would be redeemed.” And they both were let down. With Rumple banished (as far as Belle knows!) and Anastasia MIA, “Anytime you have your heart broken,” Kitsis says, “you look for a way to smile again.”
Any Once Upon a Time scoop you can share about the infamous Cruella de Vil? –Mason If you’re wondering how Cruella wound up in Long Island, N.Y. while her previous associates Rumplestiltskin and the Charmings landed in Storybrooke, Maine, co-creator Adam Horowitz promises that in an upcoming episode “all the pieces on the chessboard are laid out,” explaining “who wound up where and why.TVLine 3/03
B]I need something on Robin and Regina before Once Upon a Time’s return.[/B] — Max When the show returns, Regina and Robin haven’t spoken since he left town. Suffice it to say, the Queens of Darkness coming to Storybrooke will test Regina’s resolve. “Regina has really shown a lot of decline this year by not killing Marian and doing the right thing,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “There’s a lot of her that feels like, ‘Why am I continually doing good things when I’m not getting good results?’ As far as Regina and Robin Hood goes, that and what happens is one of our favorite parts of the second half.”Spoiler Room: Regina/Robin| EW.com
I’m going to need some more Once Upon a Time scoop. — Tonya Ask and you shall receive: Robin Hood and Rumplestiltskin are not the only characters who will be leaving Storybrooke. “You’ll see some characters arriving in Storybrooke and you’ll see some characters departing as well,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. “We think it’s fun to venture outside the confines of Storybrooke and see some of our characters in the real world.” Case in point: We’ll actually see an entire episode devoted to Robin Hood’s plight in New York City. - EW 2/20
Any chance I could get some scoop on my favorite Once Upon a Time character, Robin Hood? –Nicole As previously hinted (and despite how Season 4A ended), Sean Maguire will be back in some capacity this spring as Regina’s soul mate. “And for the uber-observant fans,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz hints, “we’re going to shed some light on just why he might have looked different and not had a tattoo in Season 2″ — that is, back when the role was was originally played by Tom Ellis.
Do you know if we will see Emma’s childhood friend Lily on Once Upon a Time again this season? –Dee Horowitz was a bit less forthcoming on that topic, offering only the teasey, “We sure hope so!” TVLine 2/16
Can Belle ever forgive Rumple on Once Upon a Time? — Michelle If she ever will, it won’t happen overnight. “That’s one of the things in the second half that we’re exploring, which is forgiveness,” executive producer Edward Kitsis tells me. “Can good people make a bad decision? Can bad people make a good decision? Can you come back from the bad decisions you made and how? What he did to Belle is really atrocious and that is not going to be solved with a mixed tape and flowers.”EW - 2/13
"This back half is a lot about what makes a hero and what makes a villain and it's about trying to realize our happy endings," Kitsis revealed. "The [storylines] that we were teasing in the first half [of season four] with the book and the author is really going to be in this front and center of this second half. We are really going to be furthering with Regina on her pursuit of a happy ending."
We've learned that there's a fine line between good and evil, so we had to ask it: With the Queens of Darkness headed to town, is there a possibility that Emma could be swayed to use her powers as a villain? "I think that we are going to explore that very question in the second half," Kitsis answered.
"For Emma we are going to continue to explore her powers and what being a Savior and those powers mean and all facets of that," Horowitz said, "She's been very close to people who use magic for good, and with Regina it was people who used magic for evil. Even though Regina has been on a path of redemption, with Emma's it certainly has opened up the possibility of many different magical powers." ET-2/05
Anything on Once Upon a Time’s Regina?? — HeySomeOtherMe Finding the Author’s library was a big step towards achieving her happy ending, but there are still bumps in the road ahead. “This is a quest that has been quite difficult for Regina,” Lana Parrilla tells me. “With all the research she’s done thus far and Operation Mongoose, she keeps hitting dead end after dead end. She’s lost some faith in ever finding this author, but she’s still not going to give up. A lot of that positive reenforcement comes from Henry in being the heart of the truest believer, who keeps her afloat and keeps encouraging her to not give up. He plays a huge part in finding clues. They work together and start to find clues leading to the discovery of this author, so that will play out for the remainder of the season.”EW-1/30/2015
"Emma will continue to explore what her particular heritage really means," says cocreator Adam Horowitz, "as we learn that there are more secrets attached to who she was, is and will be." TVLine 1/05/2015
Is there any chance for Captain Swan scoop from Once Upon a Time? I miss them dearly! –Sarah Series cocreator Adam Horowitz tells me that when Season 4B arrives on March 1, “The tables are turned” for the Storybrooke lovebirds when “Hook, after having Emma return his heart, will now have to fight to protect Emma’s heart.” From what, I/we can only wonder….- TVLine 1/23/2015
Question: Can I get some more scoop about the most recent Blind Item? Pretty please with Smurfs on top! —Kyle It’s not Scandal. Or any ABC series for that matter. It’s also not Jess on New Girl.TVLine 1/13/2015
Question: I know it’s early yet, but any Once Upon a Time scoop to get us through this hiatus? —Jenny As Season 4 unfolds starting March 1, new flashbacks will highlight the Charmings, Ursula’s origin story, more of Captain Hook’s past and the tale of how Regina first met Maleficent TVLine 12/23
What are three words/things that are mysterious now, but won’t be once Once Upon a Time returns this March? — OnceStorybrooke I took your ingenious question straight to the OUAT bosses and the answer is… interesting. “Voice, Feinberg and eggs” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “Take that, Once people!”EW-12/19
Are the fairies that got sucked into the hat on Once Upon a Time really gone, or is the show going to delve more into the hat’s powers through the rest of the season? –Kip I for some reason assumed that Blue & Co. had been quietly released during all the winter finale drama, but I was, well, wrong. “They’re still stuck in the hat,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz assured me. “And that issue is dealt with early on in [Season] 4B,”TVLine 12/17
THR: OUAT' Bosses Tease Queens of Darkness' Ties to the 'Core Characters' -12/15 As you're looking at the second half of the season, what theme are you most excited to play out?
Kitsis: I would say that right now, the thing we're excited about is what makes a hero and what makes a villain. And what is a happy ending.
How the heck does Maleficent keep coming back to life on Once Upon a Time? — Dina We’ll get the answer to that very soon. “We did say she had a spell on her that made her be preserved in whatever form she was in, be that ash, be that dragon,” executive producer Edward Kitsis reminds viewers. “So, we know that she was exploded into ash. How she gets brought back will be an entire episode.” EW 12/12
Hello Matt, do you know who is going to die during Once Upon a Time‘s midseason finale? –Marko (...about the role being cast for Episode 15. The ABC series is seeking an African-American actress to guest-star as “Miranda,” a 19- to 22-year-old princess. Described as ” warmhearted and passionate,” this lass wants nothing more than to bring peace and beauty into the world. Yet beneath her gentle exterior, she is headstrong and full of grit – so if you cross her, you may find her more terrifying than even the most powerful kings. Did I mention she has a lovely singing voice, as well?) - TVLine 12/09
I can't wait for Maleficent to get back to Storybrooke! Got any scoop for her arc on Once Upon a Time this season? — Annie You're not the only one! Lana Parrilla, who plays Regina, says that the frenemies will share a "huge" flashback episode that takes place before Maleficent (in dragon form) was defeated by Emma. "Regina and Maleficent have a really interesting history," she says. "You'll see how they met and how they became friends." - TVGuide 12/09
Any scoop on what’s coming up for Once Upon a Time‘s Hook? –Stef I am hearing that, as perhaps hinted by Swan’s conspicuous reaction to last Sunday’s liplock, Hook’s heartlessness will indeed impact Emma – and that Belle will get pulled into his predicament, as things get ever dicier. Bonus Scoop: For Episode 15, Once is casting the possibly recurring role of a king whose crown was hard-won, and the fight to keep it has taken a toll. He is also described as “handsome, though not refined, and highly protective of his family.” TVLine 12/03
Question: On Once Upon a Time, will we find out why Will Scarlett/the Knave left Wonderland? —JJAusiello: “Yes, we should be learning more about his post-Wonderland life as the season progresses,” Once cocreator Adam Horowitz answers. “We will also be exploring more of his past with Robin Hood.” TVLine
Sadly, it won’t be long before Rumple puts Hook to use. “He uses Hook as a hit man to get [other magical beings],” O’Donoghue says. “He really doesn’t want to have to do that, and it’s killing him to have to pretend to Emma that everything is okay. Hook does some things that he really doesn’t want to and wishes that he didn’t have to. He’s remorseful for that, but he has no choice.” - EW 11/17
Question: On Once Upon a Time, is Emma going to help out Henry and Regina with Operation Mongoose? —Dee Probably not until the 12-episode Frozen arc is over, at earliest. As Jennifer Morrison shared during our set visit, “I’m sure we’ll get around to it eventually, but that storyline right now is separate from ours [and] there’s only so much overlap that can happen before there’s just too much going on. But I’m sure that in the second half of the season, we’ll all have some kind of participation in that.”
Any Once Upon a Time scoop about ‘Rumbelle’? —Serena Sunday’s reveal that Rumple is after the Sorcerer’s hat and all the magic it contains certainly doesn’t bode well for the couple’s future. “He definitely loves her and wants to be with her, but the hat existed long before she came along and will probably exist long after she’s gone,” muses Robert Carlyle. “This quest is so massive for him. This addiction is huge. [It] drives Rumplestiltskin more than love.” TVLine-Ausiello 10/21
Before the first half of Once Upon a Time‘s season ends, will we find out who wrote the storybook? —Tom Actually, no. As cocreator Eddy Kitsis revealed to Matt Mitovich at the New York Comic-Con panel this past weekend, Regina and Henry’s “Operation Mongoose is going to be a rather big story for the year. Whereas we are splitting seasons in half, this is a story that will transcend both halves.”
In the premiere, Emma reassured him, “Be patient.” But it’s been a while since the show has had anything close to a love scene. Might Emma and Hook eventually end that dry spell? JMO: I hope so. That’s about all I can say| MattM/TVLine 10/02
Is there anything you can tell us about Hook’s arc for this season of OUAT that we haven’t heard yet? Anything on his childhood/parents? –Ana Series cocreator Adam Horowitz would only say that when it comes to the good (?) pirate, “There is more delving into his past to come” – though the burning question of whom he traded the Jolly Roger to, in the name of finding Emma, won’t be revealed until “somewhere down the road.” | MattM/TVLine
Any scoop on Emma from Once Upon a Time? I’d like to know if we’ll get any flashbacks on her past? — Alex We will! In fact, we’re going to get a lot more information about her childhood. “In the first half of the season, we’re going to see more of Emma’s past than I think we’ve seen in all the other previous seasons combined,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. | NatAbrams/EW
Will Henry be there for Regina after what happened in the season finale on Once Upon a Time? Any story coming up for them in season 4? Henry may be the one thing that actually keeps Regina from slipping to the dark side again after Robin Hood’s long-dead wife, Marian, resurfaced in the present. “We’re going to see Henry on a mission with Regina this year,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “And maybe some of his light side will rub off on her.” NatAbrams/EW
As excited as I am for Once Upon a Time‘s Frozen storyline, I’m curious as to how The Knave (played by Michael Socha) is going to fit in in Storybrooke. Know anything about that? – Sarah Do I! Just seconds before publishing this week’s Inside Line, I got off the horn with Once creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis, the former of which said that The Knave’s “background as Will Scarlett, who was one of the Merry Men and a thief, comes into play very early.” Kitsis then added that for Wonderland fans, “We will be explaining why he’s in town. I can also say that he fits rather nicely into Storybrooke, and his introduction is a really fun one.”
Will Once Upon a Time’s Emma go house hunting or will she be living in that loft with Charming and Snow and a crying baby forever? –Shen
“Emma needs her own place, and we’d love for her to see it this year,” Eddy Kitsis agrees. And perhaps to that end, Adam Horowitz notes, “The domestic situation of the Charmings and Emma and Henry and Regina does fit into the early episodes” of Season 4, premiering Sept. 28. | MattM/TVLine
I am loving that Hook and Emma finally kissed in the Once Upon a Time finale! Any hints about how Emma now views him/their relationship? –Liz I can’t speak for the fictional character of Emma, but Jennifer Morrison, the actress tells TVLine. “They’ve both been through similar things, they’re both survivors and they’ve both had to fight in order to literally just live. There’s also something in them where they’ll both go to great lengths to protect the people they care about — and sometimes they’ll do really bad things to do that, but they both have really good hearts, so I think they see a lot of themselves in each other.” Emma is also seeing impressive changes in the pirate. “This season in particular, because Hook has really fought for Emma to be true to herself and be the most powerful version of herself, he’s earned a tremendous amount of trust from her, and that’s what really makes it organic for Emma to feel vulnerable with him,” Morrison notes. “I know that in my own life, I have a strong reaction to people who empower me and say, ‘You should be yourself, even if it means making some mistakes.’ So the fact that he does that, and isn’t at all put off by that, makes it a good place to start a relationship.” | MattM/TVLine
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"A man unwilling to fight for what he wants...deserves what he gets."
"I thought you said you could outrun a storm. This isn't a storm. It's bloody damnation!"
"Conjuring magic is not an intellectual endeavor. It's emotion"
"Magic is about emotion. Summon up that moment that made you so angry you would've killed if you could."
"Magic is power. Until you take power, you're not learning anything."
"It's time for us to believe. Not in magic, but in each other."
"No death is the best option."
Emma: I wouldn't eat the apples in this house
Now we can focus on our impending lack of a future. - Regina
Hook: "We're in Storybrooke. Never heard of the telephone?"
"Never think you're ordinary just because you don't have magic."
What he did to Belle is really atrocious and that is not going to be solved with a mixed tape and flowers."Unfortunately savior magic doesn't go quietly"
"I should have listened to that stupid fairy."
"You always think that pulling away from people will fix your problems, but it never does." - Henry
"Just remember love is free but all magic comes with a price.
"The next time a happy ending knocks on my door I'm going to be ready. I'm not going to let this book stop me again.
"A hero always helps strangers.
I made you a promise I intend to keep. Everyone deserves their happy ending.
"It will be like old times. A prince and a princess on an adventure but without the evil queen on our trail. -David
"I don't want him to be with me out of obligation. I want to be chosen." - Marian
"Leave Emma and the rest of Storybrooke be. There's no need to harm them."
“It’s time the villains got their happy endings.”
“Your life is crap.”
“You were blinded by love.”
“You have a mark in the hero column.”
“I know it sounds crazy.”
“I will never go back to where I started.”
“This is not our first monster bash.”
“Love is a weapon as dangerous and persuasive as magic.”
“I’ve conquered realms in less time.”
“Rumpelstiltskin got the best of us.”
“A cripple, a coward with the real ability to die.”
“Beware of lurking pirates.”
“I’m leaving with my prize.”
"You know, you talk a good game, Dark One, but can you deliver in a world with no magic where apparently walking is a challenge"
What exactly are you offering short stuff?"
"I'm just trying not to think about being some demon's lunch."
"Mostly wondering how a piece of undercooked calamari ended up with the Dark One's cellphone."
OUAT S&S #269 ""Should have known that fish sticks and pound puppy were here for more than a second chance
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HOROWITZ: Happy ending doesn’t necessarily equal redemption, because happy endings are in the eye of the beholder.
KITSIS: Yeah, it’s what makes you happy. For instance, if watching two beloved heroes die makes you happy, well then your happy ending is probably different than the two heroes who want to see the villain die."
KITSIS: Of course, only one can. For us, what’s interesting is watching villains take a page from the hero playbook. Heroes always work together and never put their ego first. Villains so often put their ego first and lose. These are smarter villains coming back to correct the mistakes from their past
KITSIS: This is a show about heroes. What good are heroes if they don’t have villains to fight?
So IMHO OUAT should have played on that. Will wanted to make amends to Robin. When Robin left we saw them in some kind of discussion. Robin should have told Will to take care of Regina. Will should have become her shadow and eventually her friend. The sass alone would have been worth it, Regina would have a connection to Robin, and Will could be seen as more than the town clown. JMHO
That was one of the things I am still craving to see yet doubt I'll ever do. Oh the sass would give and take between Regina and Will... I think it would be a better storyline for this character to have him befriend Regina and start their own, little weird and sassy duo than pair him up romantically with Belle. I don't know... I feel like they just do not know what to do with his character and went with the most unexpected and unfortunately never-gonna-be-that-popular idea.
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Good point. We'll just have to see what his big plan is I guess. I think he's taken her for granted a big because she always forgives him.
He needs to realize what he's done to her and how he's hurt her and I don't think he's there yet.
I really think you and CityGal have hit the proverbial nail on the head here.
Belle has always just been around for Rumple whenever he's needed her... maybe seeing her with another man will be the wake up call he needs that he can't take her for granted.
My guess is, at the end of the day, Will and Belle will realize that they are still in love with their spouses, despite everything, and they care about each other but still are too much in love with Ana and Rumple to get involved with each other.
I really do want to know what happened to Ana though - I hope she didn't die! Didn't the last scene of Wonderland take place years into the future, and the two of them were married and were the White King and White Queen? So I'm thinking that if Wonderland took place in season 2 of OUAT (didn't the producers confirm that? I'm fuzzy on the details), all that will still come to pass... so ultimately, Will and Ana will end up together again.
Question, i thought this season was before the events that happened in wonderland, chronologically speaking ( i remember reading something that said that)
So in wills time line- he is first in SB and then the events in wonderland transpire
Or did ana turn bad and he escaped to SB?
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I think it's still early for us to say she 'has fallen' for him. Dating someone doesn't necessarily mean being in love. Sometimes people date out of loneliness, and if both parts know they are just seeking comfort, then it's not really wrong 'per se'.
Personally, I've never been on board with the idea using someone in order to numb the pain or in order to help you 'forget', but it's something quite common. But I do agree that doesn't show Belle as a 'Strong woman' but quite the opposite, IMO. A Strong woman doesn't need crunches, because, ultimately, she is able to find love and strengh in herself. IMO, it does send a message that a woman can't be alone, and she needs to be with a man to be able to mend her heart!
I disagree.
The Fact that she trusted someone even after the betrayal of Rumple, makes her a strong woman IMO.
They might not be in love, but Belle and Will could help each other heal their broken hearts.
We know belle mostly on the side of Rumple, now without him the character has a lot of potential to grow and change.
It could be that the Belle we saw so far, is a completely different then the one we see in the future.
Yes, he has. On some level, no matter how villainous his action he believes Belle will always forgive him - so why change. She'll do the work of forgiveness. But in actuality, it's Rumple who needs to do the actual work in the relationship. It's his behavior and treatment of Belle which must change.
I really love what you said here. Even in the real world, people don't always realize how much work goes into forgiveness.
Tftnt!
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Well, by falling I just meant trying to move on with him. I think once she finds Rumple is back she will try to help him in some way. But yep, that stuff about her being strong and then showing her falling into a new relationship almost immediately makes me laugh. I don't think A&E quite get it sometimes.
No, they clearly don't! It's not the first time they do something like that. I remember not liking when they had MM sleeping with Whale because David chose to stay with Katherine in season 1. I thought it showed her as a weak woman, but then again, one could say Mary Margareth acted like that because she was under the curse and Snow wouldn't have done that had David married Abigail in the EF.
Then again, Snow did drink the forgetting potion... Yeah, sometimes they don't show women in the best light. It's interesting that a man, in this show, never does something that extreme...
I really think you and CityGal have hit the proverbial nail on the head here.
Belle has always just been around for Rumple whenever he's needed her... maybe seeing her with another man will be the wake up call he needs that he can't take her for granted.
My guess is, at the end of the day, Will and Belle will realize that they are still in love with their spouses, despite everything, and they care about each other but still are too much in love with Ana and Rumple to get involved with each other.
It would be nice though if the Eddy had said something like this in the interview that was posted after the show. Instead it makes it seem like Rumple will be out for revenge and dark and that Belle is just happily moved on. Which I don't think is the case.
No, they clearly don't! It's not the first time they do something like that. I remember not liking when they had MM sleeping with Whale because David chose to stay with Katherine in season 1. I thought it showed her as a weak woman, but then again, one could say Mary Margareth acted like that because she was under the curse and Snow wouldn't have done that had David married Abigail in the EF.
Then again, Snow did dring the forgetting potion... Yeah, sometimes they don't show women in the best light. It's interesting that a man, in this show, never does something that extreme...
I guess I don't see it as weak... I see it as human though. Belle has spent three and a half seasons being so sure of Rumple and so strong. Why is casually dating after you've had your heart broken a sign of weakness? We know nothing about the nature of the ScarletBeauty relationship or the arrangements they have. Nor do we have any indication that they are doing anything more than casually seeing each other. At the end of the day, we just don't know, and we saw it from Rumple's perspective as well, so he's reading a lot into it that we haven't seen confirmed or denied yet
And I'd say the Robin-Marian-Regina situation was an example of a man doing something fairly extreme (whatever one may think of that action). David too, for that matter, in season 1. So I don't think men escape entirely unscathed. Although perhaps you mean a man hasn't done something as extreme as drinking a forgetting potion... in which case, you're totally right
The Fact that she trusted someone even after the betrayal of Rumple, makes her a strong woman IMO.
They might not be in love, but Belle and Will could help each other heal their broken hearts. We know belle mostly on the side of Rumple, now without him the character has a lot of potential to grow and change.
It could be that the Belle we saw so far, is a completely different then the one we see in the future.
And yet, they have shown her without a man by her side for one episode alone, and it seems clear that, by that episode, she was probably already with Will. In another words, they spent 3 seasons showing us Belle Always hooked up with a guy.
Before Rumple, she was engaged to Gaston, Then, she was with Rumple, and now, she is with Will. Every since we've know Belle she has never been by herself, growing up as a person, and trying to find herself.
I'm probably alone on this, but even thought I don't think her being with someone is wrong, IMO, it would have shown her as a much stronger person if she was trying to define herself without a man by her side for a change.
Tftnt CityGal! (btw - I see you're a OUAT mod now - awesome and well deserved!!). Like phoenix_shine, I'm reposting here
I really think you and CityGal have hit the proverbial nail on the head here.
Belle has always just been around for Rumple whenever he's needed her... maybe seeing her with another man will be the wake up call he needs that he can't take her for granted.
My guess is, at the end of the day, Will and Belle will realize that they are still in love with their spouses, despite everything, and they care about each other but still are too much in love with Ana and Rumple to get involved with each other.
I really do want to know what happened to Ana though - I hope she didn't die! Didn't the last scene of Wonderland take place years into the future, and the two of them were married and were the White King and White Queen? So I'm thinking that if Wonderland took place in season 2 of OUAT (didn't the producers confirm that? I'm fuzzy on the details), all that will still come to pass... so ultimately, Will and Ana will end up together again.
So glad to have you back, miss your posts.
Thank you for the kind words
I'm probably alone on this, but even thought I don't think her being with someone is wrong, IMO, it would have shown her as a much stronger person if she was trying to define herself without a man by her side for a change.
No, I agree with you.
I see nothing weak about a woman being with a man, don't get me wrong. I don't think Belle was weak because she loved Rumple.
But when they say in one breath they want to explore her as an individual and her being strong and then in the other say she's moved on with another man in a few weeks it's a complete contradiction. That's not finding yourself or spending time as an individual. It's finding something to lessen your pain. You don't need a man constantly in your life to be strong, imo.
No, they clearly don't! It's not the first time they do something like that. I remember not liking when they had MM sleeping with Whale because David chose to stay with Katherine in season 1. I thought it showed her as a weak woman, but then again, one could say Mary Margareth acted like that because she was under the curse and Snow wouldn't have done that had David married Abigail in the EF.
Then again, Snow did dring the forgetting potion... Yeah, sometimes they don't show women in the best light. It's interesting that a man, in this show, never does something that extreme...
I was about to post the same thing about MM/Whale, and that was even the same night and Whale had been an absolute jerk before to her on a date. I think the writers must see it differently and not as weak.
About Belle, the writers have been clear in past interviews that Lacey will forever be a part of her now. Similar to the we are both of Snow/Mary Margaret and Charming/cursedDavid. Obviously Belle and Charming didn't live 28 years as their cursed selves so it has less influence than Mary Margaret does on post curse Snow. But I could see their incorporating her Lacey side after heartbreak. A few nights on the town offscreen with Ruby. She finds a kindred soul in Will as someone else whose true love betrayed them for power and they strike up a little fun relationship that is not meant to be serious.
And yet, they have shown her without a man by her side for one episode alone, and it seems clear that, by that episode, she was probably already with Will. In another words, they spent 3 seasons showing us Belle Always hooked up with a guy.
Before Rumple, she was engaged to Gaston, Then, she was with Rumple, and now, she is with Will. Every since we've know Belle she has never been by herself, growing up as a person, and trying to find herself.
I'm probably alone on this, but even thought I don't think her being with someone is wrong, IMO, it would have shown her as a much stronger person if she was trying to define herself without a man by her side for a change.
You are not alone in this, i would have liked it more to see her on her own.
I loved Anastasia and Will in wonderland, that is why im very uncertain about this particular plot.
One thing that makes this season half so interesting, is the possibility of showing us Belle in a new light.
While she never was a plotpoint of the show, she constantly was a packagedeal with Rumple.
When we saw her, it was mostly rumple related, now the seasonhalf has the chance to show Belle doing things on her own because of herself.
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