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OUAT S&S #237 "How often have you felt more like a savior than their daughter?" ~ The Snow Queen

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Spoilers & Speculations
cast
Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret
Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan
Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina
Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David
Emilie de Ravin as Belle
Colin O'Donoghue as Captain Hook
Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills
Michael Socha as Will Scarlet, the Knave | Who the Bloody Hell is Will Scarlet? (A Wonderland Crash Course)
Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold


Master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz ("Lost," "Tron: Legacy") invite everyone to join Emma Swan, Snow White, Prince Charming, The Evil Queen, Hook and all the other resident fairytale characters as they prepare to defend themselves against a magical force from the past that's too unpredictable even for Rumplestiltskin - Elsa, the Ice Queen from Arendelle.

Welcome to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won't show up on your GPS, but it's a magical place to visit. Reality and myth merged after Emma broke Regina's curse, which had deprived the fairy tale characters of their memories and trapped them in our modern world. When they finally regained their identities, our heroes were dismayed to discover that they weren't transported back to Fairy Tale Land. To make matters worse, Rumplestiltskin - aka Mr. Gold - decided to escalate his power struggle with Regina by introducing magic into the town. But this is our world, and magic always has a tendency to yield unfathomable consequences.

You never give up on the people you love...

The Storybrooke residents do not know what Elsa has in store for them. Back in the past, in Elsa's kingdom of Arendelle, we will discover what happened to her, her sister Anna and Kristoff, and how and why Elsa became a prisoner of Rumplestiltskin. And now that Emma has brought back Robin Hood's wife, Marian, and possibly sparked the end of Regina's relationship with him, will she return to her old, evil ways and do everything in her power to get even? And newlyweds Belle and Rumplestiltskin continue to be deeply in love with each other. But Rumple is hiding a secret from Belle -- one that, if found out, could destroy their happiness - he continues to be the master of the dagger that calls upon him to be the Dark One. Can Emma and Hook commit to one another, and can these two damaged people take their love to the next level? Mary Margaret and David have a new baby, Prince Neal, and are looking forward to raising him into a proud, brave and loving adult. But they are still sad that they were not able to do this with Emma, instead helping her escape the curse when she was first born and not meeting her again until she was 28 years old. Henry is very happy to have both of his mothers back in Storybrooke. But with biological mom Emma and paternal grandfather Rumplestiltskin's blood running through his veins, he will be tested by both the light and the darkness. Finally, Will Scarlet (Michael Socha, "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland"), a former member of Robin Hood's band of Merry Men, has traveled across many lands to make his way to Storybrooke. He finds himself intertwined in the goings-on in town for the first time as his mysterious past pushes him to an unknown future.

As the season continues, new fairy tale characters will be revealed and old acquaintances will be revisited. But not everyone can be trusted.
ABC Lead 8/13/2014




Upcoming Episodes



4.08 - "Smash the Mirror" written by Goodman/Schwartz| Airdate: 11/16

EMMA’S POWERS RUN AMOK AND SHE TURNS TO GOLD FOR HELP, ELSA AND ANNA’S RELATIONSHIP IS TESTED AND THE SNOW QUEEN’S AGENDA IS REVEALED IN A SPECIAL

In Arendelle when the Snow Queen tries to pit Elsa and Anna against each other and it proves more difficult than she anticipates, she takes drastic measures. Meanwhile, in Storybrooke Emma’s powers are out of control and her fear of hurting loved ones pushes her away from everyone she cares about. In her confusion Emma turns to Gold for help getting her powers under control. Gold tells her about a way to get rid of her powers altogether and Hook tries to put a stop to it. Meanwhile, Regina struggles with her plan to find the author of the storybook until her quest takes an unexpected turn. Robin Hood recruits Will Scarlet to assist him on a mission and Mary Margaret and David search for Emma in this special two hour “Once Upon a Time” airing SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 16 (8:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Guest stars include Georgina Haig as Elsa, Elizabeth Lail as Anna, Scott Michael Foster as Kristoff, Timothy Webber as Apprentice, Raf Rogers as Arendelle Servant, Lee Page as Arendelle Guard #1, Patrick Roccas as Arendelle Guard #2, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood and Elizabeth Mitchell as Ingrid/Snow Queen. ABC-TV

“Smash the Mirror” is written by David H. Goodman and Jerome Schwartz and directed by Eagle Egillson and Ralph Hemecker.
BTS Pics/Videos:
Josh D. | seat42F: Smash the Mirror episode Stills


4.09 - "Fall" written by Jane Espenson | Director Mario Van Peebles | Airdate: 11/30
BTS Pics/Videos:
10/13 | Steveston filming | Elizabeth Lail and Scott Michal Foster. Ouat BTS
filming at Third Beach Vancouver - October 8 | JMO movie magic | JMO and Frozen cast found Olaf



4.10 - "Shattered Sight" written by Scott Nimerfro and Tze Chun | Airdate: 12/07


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OCTOBER 20th - OCTOBER 21st FILMING SPOILER ROUND-UP

Round-up from yesterday’s filming is coming along slowly as I have a test tomorrow. Hopefully to be out Friday, latest Saturday. Sorry for the inconvenience!
Please let me know if I’ve missed anything. All my other spoiler round-ups found here

- October 20th filming 4x10 - East Vancouver; Commercial & Venables

- Robert and Lana bts in Regina’s office (x)

- Shoot is an Emma flashback with the Snow Queen (x) (x)

They have a confrontation at a bus stop (x)
Young Emma with her guardian (Snow Queen) trying to force her to use/discover her powers (x)
- shoot bts (x)

- October 21st filming 4x10 - UBC and Gastown today (x)

- at an antique store? (x) Salmagundi? (x)

- Nicole Munoz (Lily) going to set today (x)

- Recognize the phone booth from the Motive shoot last week? It’s the same one and suggests tonight’s Once Upon a Time shoot goes back in time. Is Salmgundi in Gastown a 1990s flashback like earlier scenes at the Playland amusement park and a bus stop in east Vancouver. But whose flashback? My guess is a teen Emma Swan. There is so much of her pre-Storybrooke tale to tell. (x)

- Lana and Kristin Bauer on set (x)
Roundup source
YVRShoots - Gastown photos

Fan Post- 10/25
BTS Pics/Videos:
Stevesonton 10/22: Rumple, Regina, Snowing, Emma, Henry, Elsa, Anna, Granny, Dwarves BTS pics | YT video - Reunion scene Main Street Storybrooke



4.11 - "Heroes and Villains" written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz | Airdate: 12/14 confirmed
BTS Pics/Videos:
Lana tweet 10/21 | 11/07 - Fan BTS at Stanley Park filming

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4.12 - "Darkness On The Edge of Town " written by Kitsis & Horowitz| Airdate: Sunday, March 1, 2015
Bruce Springsteen Darkness On The Edge of Town Album Review | Rolling Stone
BTS Pics/Videos:
start date 11/13 | Adam - filming blue screen set | Josh - Gold's Cadillac

4.13 - "TBA" written by | Airdate: 3/08/2015
BTS Pics/Videos:


4.14 - "TBA" written by | Airdate: 3/15/2015
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season 4 previews/Eddy Kitsis & Adam Horowitz interviews

cast interviews


casting & guest stars

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general season 4 spoilers
  • Any scoop on the two-hour episode of Once Upon a Time? — Farah
    Remember the Snow Queen’s yellow ribbons? You should definitely be worried about them because they’ll come back into play in a very major way. (Hint: I may have spotted certain people wearing them while I was on set.)
    EW- NatAbrams 11/14
  • The Snow Queen was Emma’s foster mom on Once Upon a Time?! — Michelle
    Crazy, right? The show will delve further into their relationship in the past soon. “She’s been looking for [Emma],” Elizabeth Mitchell teases, cautioning that an incident will drive an obvious wedge between the two—hence Emma not remembering her former foster mom. In the present, “we will absolutely get into how she landed [in Storybrooke],” Mitchell promises. | EW - NatAbrams 10/30
  • Question: On Once Upon a Time, is Emma going to help out Henry and Regina with Operation Mongoose? —Dee
    Probably not until the 12-episode Frozen arc is over, at earliest. As Jennifer Morrison shared during our set visit, “I’m sure we’ll get around to it eventually, but that storyline right now is separate from ours [and] there’s only so much overlap that can happen before there’s just too much going on. But I’m sure that in the second half of the season, we’ll all have some kind of participation in that.”
  • Question: Any twists and turns coming up for the Charmings (apart from the baby) on OUAT? —Jenny
    There’s a “pretty nasty” development coming, one with far-reaching consequences, teases Josh Dallas, who adds, “There’s something on its way that definitely affects everyone in Storybrooke — and the Charmings, for sure. It creates some weird things within their relationship. I can’t tell you any more.” No worries, JD. You’ve already told us more than enough. | TVLine - Ausiello 10/29
  • Any Once Upon a Time scoop about ‘Rumbelle’? —Serena
    Sunday’s reveal that Rumple is after the Sorcerer’s hat and all the magic it contains certainly doesn’t bode well for the couple’s future. “He definitely loves her and wants to be with her, but the hat existed long before she came along and will probably exist long after she’s gone,” muses Robert Carlyle. “This quest is so massive for him. This addiction is huge. [It] drives Rumplestiltskin more than love.” TVLine-Ausiello 10/21
  • Before the first half of Once Upon a Time‘s season ends, will we find out who wrote the storybook? —Tom
    Actually, no. As cocreator Eddy Kitsis revealed to Matt Mitovich at the New York Comic-Con panel this past weekend, Regina and Henry’s “Operation Mongoose is going to be a rather big story for the year. Whereas we are splitting seasons in half, this is a story that will transcend both halves.”
  • If Maleficent is heading back to Once Upon a Time, does that mean we’ll see Aurora and Prince Phillip too? —B.D.
    Oh, you’ll see Sleeping Beauty well before Maleficent’s midseason encore. When we recently chatted up Sarah Bolger, she was already heading back to shoot her second episode of the season, but we’ll first see Aurora in Episode 7, now “out of her princess gear” in Storybrooke. TVLine - Ausiello 10/14
  • How soon until we see Elizabeth Mitchell on Once Upon a Time? — Rene
    You won’t have to wait much longer, but you may be surprised to hear that the Snow Queen isn’t necessarily focused on Elsa. “The Snow Queen definitely has her sights on Emma for a particular reasons,” Jennifer Morrison teases. Speaking of icy new characters, Ginnifer Goodwin reveals that Snow will share a connection with Elsa. “We do cross paths, and Elsa does provide some solace in some ways,” the actress says. “She and Snow are able to relate about some things down the line in the season that I found to be surprising and powerful.” | EW-10/03
  • In the premiere, Emma reassured him, “Be patient.” But it’s been a while since the show has had anything close to a love scene. Might Emma and Hook eventually end that dry spell?
    JMO: I hope so. That’s about all I can say| MattM/TVLine 10/02
  • EXCLUSIVE! 'Once Upon a Time': Hook and Emma's Hot Date With a Chilling Twist! | Entertainment Tonight
  • Everything you need to know about 'Once Upon a Time' season 4
  • Staff Writer comments on Robin Hood''s story
  • Is there anything you can tell us about Hook’s arc for this season of OUAT that we haven’t heard yet? Anything on his childhood/parents? –Ana
    Series cocreator Adam Horowitz would only say that when it comes to the good (?) pirate, “There is more delving into his past to come” – though the burning question of whom he traded the Jolly Roger to, in the name of finding Emma, won’t be revealed until “somewhere down the road.” | MattM/TVLine
  • Any scoop on Emma from Once Upon a Time? I’d like to know if we’ll get any flashbacks on her past? — Alex
    We will! In fact, we’re going to get a lot more information about her childhood. “In the first half of the season, we’re going to see more of Emma’s past than I think we’ve seen in all the other previous seasons combined,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. | NatAbrams/EW
  • Will Henry be there for Regina after what happened in the season finale on Once Upon a Time? Any story coming up for them in season 4? Henry may be the one thing that actually keeps Regina from slipping to the dark side again after Robin Hood’s long-dead wife, Marian, resurfaced in the present. “We’re going to see Henry on a mission with Regina this year,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “And maybe some of his light side will rub off on her.” NatAbrams/EW
  • TVLine: Once Upon a Time's Two Most Burning Frozen Questions Answered
  • Can you give us any scoop on Once Upon a Time’s Regina, please? We need something to cheer us up! –Ana
    Well, when I asked The Boys about the Regina/Robin Hood/Marian love triangle presumably on tap for Season 4, Adam Horowitz was quick to retort, “Who says we’re doing a love triangle?” He then explained, “Hopefully it becomes less about the relationship itself and more about Regina [and] open[s] the door to who she is and what she’s going to become.”
  • As excited as I am for Once Upon a Time‘s Frozen storyline, I’m curious as to how The Knave (played by Michael Socha) is going to fit in in Storybrooke. Know anything about that? – Sarah
    Do I! Just seconds before publishing this week’s Inside Line, I got off the horn with Once creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis, the former of which said that The Knave’s “background as Will Scarlett, who was one of the Merry Men and a thief, comes into play very early.” Kitsis then added that for Wonderland fans, “We will be explaining why he’s in town. I can also say that he fits rather nicely into Storybrooke, and his introduction is a really fun one.”
  • Will Once Upon a Time’s Emma go house hunting or will she be living in that loft with Charming and Snow and a crying baby forever? –Shen
    “Emma needs her own place, and we’d love for her to see it this year,” Eddy Kitsis agrees. And perhaps to that end, Adam Horowitz notes, “The domestic situation of the Charmings and Emma and Henry and Regina does fit into the early episodes” of Season 4, premiering Sept. 28. | MattM/TVLine
  • I am loving that Hook and Emma finally kissed in the Once Upon a Time finale! Any hints about how Emma now views him/their relationship? –Liz
    I can’t speak for the fictional character of Emma, but Jennifer Morrison, the actress tells TVLine. “They’ve both been through similar things, they’re both survivors and they’ve both had to fight in order to literally just live. There’s also something in them where they’ll both go to great lengths to protect the people they care about — and sometimes they’ll do really bad things to do that, but they both have really good hearts, so I think they see a lot of themselves in each other.” Emma is also seeing impressive changes in the pirate. “This season in particular, because Hook has really fought for Emma to be true to herself and be the most powerful version of herself, he’s earned a tremendous amount of trust from her, and that’s what really makes it organic for Emma to feel vulnerable with him,” Morrison notes. “I know that in my own life, I have a strong reaction to people who empower me and say, ‘You should be yourself, even if it means making some mistakes.’ So the fact that he does that, and isn’t at all put off by that, makes it a good place to start a relationship.” | MattM/TVLine



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general magazines and press coverage
San Diego Comic Con 2014
Summary of the panel
Summary of the panel #2
Spoiler synopsis for S4 from ABC
TVGuide - Henry learning the family business
SCREENFAD: Interview at Comic Con
*Interview clip summary posted Here
Video: Two Lies and a Truth - Belle dancing; Hook will kiss Emma again; Regina has a plan; Captain Hook will get his hand back
YouTube Comic-Con Interview Links
Eddy and Adam press interview - TVEqual
Eddy and Adam press interview
Adam and Eddy press interview SEAT42F
Adam and Eddy interview - AfterBuzzTV
Josh Dallas interview - AfterBuzzTV #225
Robert Carlyle & Emilie DeRavin interview - AfterBuzzTV
Lana Parrilla interview - AfterBuzzTV
Colin O'Donoghue interview - AfterBuzzTV
Jennifer Morrison and Colin O'Donoghue interview press roundtable
JMO and Colin interview press roundtable SEAT42F
JMO and Colin interview press roundtable - TVEquals
Lana Parrilla interview press roundtable - TVEquals
Lana Parrilla interview press roundtable
Robert Carlyle interview press roundtable SEAT42F
Robert Carlyle & Emilie DeRavin interview - TVEquals

Video of Ginny "skyping" into the panel
OUAT Season 4 Cast interview - TVLIne
S4 "trailer" shown at event
ABC - Season 4 Scoop from the Once Upon a Time Comic-Con Panel

PHOTOS:

DragonCon Convention: Sean Maguire

NY Comic Con 2014
crew
Adam Horowitz, executive producer and writer | twitter
Andrew Chambliss, writer | twitter
Jane Espenson, writer | twitter
David H. Goodman, writer
Robert Hull, writer
Daniel T. Thomsen, writer
Kalinda Vazquez, writer | twitter
Helga Ungurait, production | twitter

promotions
Storybrooke: Ginny and Josh | Lana Evil Queen
Show Posters - Season 2
Official Season Two Posters
Official Season Three promotional pictures
Official Season Three Posters

Season 4 Promotional Materials
Official season 4 posters: 'Storybrooke has Frozen over' Poster |poster #2 | main cast symbols "Frozen" posters |

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True love comes in many forms but the sisterly bond, worth it's weight in magic." ~Rumpelstiltskin
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Thanks for the new thread.
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Thanks for the new thread and the new title. Hmm. That sounds ominous.

ETA. It's another Springsteen song. Below are the lyrics.

"Darkness On The Edge Of Town"


They're still racing out at the Trestles,
But that blood it never burned in her veins,
Now I hear she's got a house up in Fairview,
And a style she's trying to maintain.
Well, if she wants to see me,
You can tell her that I'm easily found,
Tell her there's a spot out 'neath Abram's Bridge,
And tell her, there's a darkness on the edge of town.

Everybody's got a secret, Sonny,
Something that they just can't face,
Some folks spend their whole lives trying to keep it,
They carry it with them every step that they take.
Till some day they just cut it loose
Cut it loose or let it drag 'em down,
Where no one asks any questions,
or looks too long in your face,
In the darkness on the edge of town.

Some folks are born into a good life,
Other folks get it anyway, anyhow,
I lost my money and I lost my wife,
Them things don't seem to matter much to me now.
Tonight I'll be on that hill 'cause I can't stop,
I'll be on that hill with everything I got,
Lives on the line where dreams are found and lost,
I'll be there on time and I'll pay the cost,
For wanting things that can only be found
In the darkness on the edge of town.
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Springsteen!!

I love love love that song.
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I'm more and more convinced some characters are leaving town in the 4A finale lol.
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Thanks for the new thread.

Hm, interesting title. Wonder if that could be in reference to just outside of SB or a part of SB?
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OP updated and another song reference which I'm not familiar. Both Regina and Gold have been seen filming in "NYC" set locations which may be a flashback ( but unsure) interesting they were both alone (as far as we know.) Hmmm.

Not quite sure what to make of it. I think the "honeymoon" mansion wasn't a fluke, it may be the home of the 4B villain who is quite the collector.
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I'm more and more convinced some characters are leaving town in the 4A finale lol.
Well, I think Rumple definitely is but the question is why? And why wouldn't he stay and actually, you know, try to make things better with his wife?
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That is a really strange name for an Episode.
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Remember though that New York City Serenade's lyrics really didn't have anything to do with the episode. I think he just borrowed the song title so the lyrics may mean nothing.

And what is there in that tweet that would make people think the SQ is staying? I see people tweeting Adam about whether that means she's staying. And honestly, why are there always people who want every guest star to stay forever? lol. The show's cast is big enough as it is.
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OP updated and another song reference which I'm not familiar. Both Regina and Gold have been seen filming in "NYC" set locations which may be a flashback ( but unsure) interesting they were both alone (as far as we know.) Hmmm.

Not quite sure what to make of it. I think the "honeymoon" mansion wasn't a fluke, it may be the home of the 4B villain who is quite the collector.
I am so excited because I actually know this one. . I like that they used a Springsteen song again for the midseason premiere. Nice parallelism.
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Thanks for the new thread and the new title. Hmm. That sounds ominous.

ETA. It's another Springsteen song. Below are the lyrics.

"Darkness On The Edge Of Town"
(...)
Some folks are born into a good life,
Other folks get it anyway, anyhow,
I lost my money and I lost my wife,
Them things don't seem to matter much to me now.
Tonight I'll be on that hill 'cause I can't stop,
I'll be on that hill with everything I got,
Lives on the line where dreams are found and lost,
I'll be there on time and I'll pay the cost,
For wanting things that can only be found
In the darkness on the edge of town.
Doesn't this just scream what has been going on with Gold specifically and perhaps Regina?

I'm betting the theme for 4B - is to appreciate what one has currently? Enjoy the good that is in our life instead of thinking there is always something better to acquire and therefore not appreciating the people who are in our lives right now.
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