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OUAT S&S #236 "My mind was in the forest but my heart took me here." ~ Robin Hood

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Spoilers & Speculations
cast
Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret
Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan
Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina
Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David
Emilie de Ravin as Belle
Colin O'Donoghue as Captain Hook
Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills
Michael Socha as Will Scarlet, the Knave | Who the Bloody Hell is Will Scarlet? (A Wonderland Crash Course)
Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold


Master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz ("Lost," "Tron: Legacy") invite everyone to join Emma Swan, Snow White, Prince Charming, The Evil Queen, Hook and all the other resident fairytale characters as they prepare to defend themselves against a magical force from the past that's too unpredictable even for Rumplestiltskin - Elsa, the Ice Queen from Arendelle.

Welcome to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won't show up on your GPS, but it's a magical place to visit. Reality and myth merged after Emma broke Regina's curse, which had deprived the fairy tale characters of their memories and trapped them in our modern world. When they finally regained their identities, our heroes were dismayed to discover that they weren't transported back to Fairy Tale Land. To make matters worse, Rumplestiltskin - aka Mr. Gold - decided to escalate his power struggle with Regina by introducing magic into the town. But this is our world, and magic always has a tendency to yield unfathomable consequences.

You never give up on the people you love...

The Storybrooke residents do not know what Elsa has in store for them. Back in the past, in Elsa's kingdom of Arendelle, we will discover what happened to her, her sister Anna and Kristoff, and how and why Elsa became a prisoner of Rumplestiltskin. And now that Emma has brought back Robin Hood's wife, Marian, and possibly sparked the end of Regina's relationship with him, will she return to her old, evil ways and do everything in her power to get even? And newlyweds Belle and Rumplestiltskin continue to be deeply in love with each other. But Rumple is hiding a secret from Belle -- one that, if found out, could destroy their happiness - he continues to be the master of the dagger that calls upon him to be the Dark One. Can Emma and Hook commit to one another, and can these two damaged people take their love to the next level? Mary Margaret and David have a new baby, Prince Neal, and are looking forward to raising him into a proud, brave and loving adult. But they are still sad that they were not able to do this with Emma, instead helping her escape the curse when she was first born and not meeting her again until she was 28 years old. Henry is very happy to have both of his mothers back in Storybrooke. But with biological mom Emma and paternal grandfather Rumplestiltskin's blood running through his veins, he will be tested by both the light and the darkness. Finally, Will Scarlet (Michael Socha, "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland"), a former member of Robin Hood's band of Merry Men, has traveled across many lands to make his way to Storybrooke. He finds himself intertwined in the goings-on in town for the first time as his mysterious past pushes him to an unknown future.

As the season continues, new fairy tale characters will be revealed and old acquaintances will be revisited. But not everyone can be trusted.
ABC Lead 8/13/2014




Upcoming Episodes



4.08 - "Smash the Mirror" written by Goodman/Schwartz| Airdate: 11/16

EMMA’S POWERS RUN AMOK AND SHE TURNS TO GOLD FOR HELP, ELSA AND ANNA’S RELATIONSHIP IS TESTED AND THE SNOW QUEEN’S AGENDA IS REVEALED IN A SPECIAL

In Arendelle when the Snow Queen tries to pit Elsa and Anna against each other and it proves more difficult than she anticipates, she takes drastic measures. Meanwhile, in Storybrooke Emma’s powers are out of control and her fear of hurting loved ones pushes her away from everyone she cares about. In her confusion Emma turns to Gold for help getting her powers under control. Gold tells her about a way to get rid of her powers altogether and Hook tries to put a stop to it. Meanwhile, Regina struggles with her plan to find the author of the storybook until her quest takes an unexpected turn. Robin Hood recruits Will Scarlet to assist him on a mission and Mary Margaret and David search for Emma in this special two hour “Once Upon a Time” airing SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 16 (8:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Guest stars include Georgina Haig as Elsa, Elizabeth Lail as Anna, Scott Michael Foster as Kristoff, Timothy Webber as Apprentice, Raf Rogers as Arendelle Servant, Lee Page as Arendelle Guard #1, Patrick Roccas as Arendelle Guard #2, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood and Elizabeth Mitchell as Ingrid/Snow Queen. ABC-TV

“Smash the Mirror” is written by David H. Goodman and Jerome Schwartz and directed by Eagle Egillson and Ralph Hemecker.


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4.09 - "Fall" written by Jane Espenson | Director Mario Van Peebles | Airdate: 11/30
BTS Pics/Videos:
10/13 | Steveston filming | Elizabeth Lail and Scott Michal Foster. Ouat BTS
filming at Third Beach Vancouver - October 8 | JMO movie magic | JMO and Frozen cast found Olaf



4.10 - "Shattered Sight" written by Scott Nimerfro and Tze Chun | Airdate: 12/07

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Fan Post- 10/25
BTS Pics/Videos:
Stevesonton 10/22: Rumple, Regina, Snowing, Emma, Henry, Elsa, Anna, Granny, Dwarves BTS pics | YT video - Reunion scene Main Street Storybrooke



4.11 - "Heroes and Villains" written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz | Airdate: 12/14 confirmed
BTS Pics/Videos:
Lana tweet 10/21 | 11/07 - Fan BTS at Stanley Park filming

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4.12 - "TBA" written by | Airdate: Sunday, March 1, 2015
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4.13 - "TBA" written by | Airdate: 3/08/2015
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4.14 - "TBA" written by | Airdate: 3/15/2015
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  • The Snow Queen was Emma’s foster mom on Once Upon a Time?! — Michelle
    Crazy, right? The show will delve further into their relationship in the past soon. “She’s been looking for [Emma],” Elizabeth Mitchell teases, cautioning that an incident will drive an obvious wedge between the two—hence Emma not remembering her former foster mom. In the present, “we will absolutely get into how she landed [in Storybrooke],” Mitchell promises. | EW - NatAbrams 10/30
  • Question: On Once Upon a Time, is Emma going to help out Henry and Regina with Operation Mongoose? —Dee
    Probably not until the 12-episode Frozen arc is over, at earliest. As Jennifer Morrison shared during our set visit, “I’m sure we’ll get around to it eventually, but that storyline right now is separate from ours [and] there’s only so much overlap that can happen before there’s just too much going on. But I’m sure that in the second half of the season, we’ll all have some kind of participation in that.”
  • Question: Any twists and turns coming up for the Charmings (apart from the baby) on OUAT? —Jenny
    There’s a “pretty nasty” development coming, one with far-reaching consequences, teases Josh Dallas, who adds, “There’s something on its way that definitely affects everyone in Storybrooke — and the Charmings, for sure. It creates some weird things within their relationship. I can’t tell you any more.” No worries, JD. You’ve already told us more than enough. | TVLine - Ausiello 10/29
  • I can’t wait to see Emma and Regina working together on Once Upon a Time. — Charlie
    Actually, Emma crashes the party when Regina sets out to find the Snow Queen on her own and ends up crossing paths with her savior frenemy. “Emma is trying to get Regina back,” Lana Parrilla teases. “Regina feels extremely betrayed by Emma and won’t let her off the hook that easy. Regina lashes out verbally quite a bit.” But their arguing will get interrupted when they’re faced with a sudden snow storm. Bonus scoop: Regina will “suffer a loss” during the hour.| EW - NatAbrams 10/24
  • Any Once Upon a Time scoop about ‘Rumbelle’? —Serena
    Sunday’s reveal that Rumple is after the Sorcerer’s hat and all the magic it contains certainly doesn’t bode well for the couple’s future. “He definitely loves her and wants to be with her, but the hat existed long before she came along and will probably exist long after she’s gone,” muses Robert Carlyle. “This quest is so massive for him. This addiction is huge. [It] drives Rumplestiltskin more than love.” TVLine-Ausiello 10/21
  • Before the first half of Once Upon a Time‘s season ends, will we find out who wrote the storybook? —Tom
    Actually, no. As cocreator Eddy Kitsis revealed to Matt Mitovich at the New York Comic-Con panel this past weekend, Regina and Henry’s “Operation Mongoose is going to be a rather big story for the year. Whereas we are splitting seasons in half, this is a story that will transcend both halves.”
  • If Maleficent is heading back to Once Upon a Time, does that mean we’ll see Aurora and Prince Phillip too? —B.D.
    Oh, you’ll see Sleeping Beauty well before Maleficent’s midseason encore. When we recently chatted up Sarah Bolger, she was already heading back to shoot her second episode of the season, but we’ll first see Aurora in Episode 7, now “out of her princess gear” in Storybrooke. TVLine - Ausiello 10/14
  • Do you have any scoop on Once Upon a Time‘s Belle? The appearance of what appears to be The Sorcerer’s Hat from Fantasia has some worried that Rumplestiltskin may again keep secrets from her. –Natalie
    Those “some” would be wise to worry. “Rumple certainly seemed to recognize the hat when he saw it. And he certainly seemed to think it was quite important,” cocreator Adam Horowitz teases. “What it is, and why he desires it become important to the story in the near future.” Now, if it cleans your palate any, Robert Carlyle promises that the Belle-centric Episode 6 should be a huge fan-pleaser: “Anyone that loves that [Rumbelle] relationship will really enjoy those scenes.”
  • While I love Once Upon a Time‘s Hook/Emma, do you have any scoop on what’s in-store for our favorite pirate this season outside of romance? I hear he has some conflict with the Knave. –Stef
    You heard right. As Michael Socha says of his onetime Merry Man, “He’s a thief and a drunk, so he pisses a few people off” upon arriving in Storybrooke. “He gets locked up. He gets put in jail. He’s naughty. He’s always up to something.” As for the Knave/Hook dynamic, Colin O’Donoghue simply says: “It’s complicated. And I’m going to leave it at that.” TVLine-10/03
  • How soon until we see Elizabeth Mitchell on Once Upon a Time? — Rene
    You won’t have to wait much longer, but you may be surprised to hear that the Snow Queen isn’t necessarily focused on Elsa. “The Snow Queen definitely has her sights on Emma for a particular reasons,” Jennifer Morrison teases. Speaking of icy new characters, Ginnifer Goodwin reveals that Snow will share a connection with Elsa. “We do cross paths, and Elsa does provide some solace in some ways,” the actress says. “She and Snow are able to relate about some things down the line in the season that I found to be surprising and powerful.” | EW-10/03
  • In the premiere, Emma reassured him, “Be patient.” But it’s been a while since the show has had anything close to a love scene. Might Emma and Hook eventually end that dry spell?
    JMO: I hope so. That’s about all I can say| MattM/TVLine 10/02
  • EXCLUSIVE! 'Once Upon a Time': Hook and Emma's Hot Date With a Chilling Twist! | Entertainment Tonight
  • Everything you need to know about 'Once Upon a Time' season 4
  • Staff Writer comments on Robin Hood''s story
  • Is there anything you can tell us about Hook’s arc for this season of OUAT that we haven’t heard yet? Anything on his childhood/parents? –Ana
    Series cocreator Adam Horowitz would only say that when it comes to the good (?) pirate, “There is more delving into his past to come” – though the burning question of whom he traded the Jolly Roger to, in the name of finding Emma, won’t be revealed until “somewhere down the road.” | MattM/TVLine
  • Any scoop on Emma from Once Upon a Time? I’d like to know if we’ll get any flashbacks on her past? — Alex
    We will! In fact, we’re going to get a lot more information about her childhood. “In the first half of the season, we’re going to see more of Emma’s past than I think we’ve seen in all the other previous seasons combined,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. | NatAbrams/EW
  • Just two more weeks until Once Upon a Time! Anything to tide us over? –Jo
    Did you see how cocreator Adam Horowitz tweeted the title for Episode 7? Well, take that and add in the fact that for that episode they’re guest-casting the “strong, intelligent and beautiful” middle sister of three, a blue-eyed blonde in her late 20s/early 30s who “always puts her sisters first.” Oh, and the three of ‘em are off to a fancy ball…. | MattM/TVLine
  • Will Henry be there for Regina after what happened in the season finale on Once Upon a Time? Any story coming up for them in season 4? Henry may be the one thing that actually keeps Regina from slipping to the dark side again after Robin Hood’s long-dead wife, Marian, resurfaced in the present. “We’re going to see Henry on a mission with Regina this year,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “And maybe some of his light side will rub off on her.” NatAbrams/EW
  • TVLine: Once Upon a Time's Two Most Burning Frozen Questions Answered
  • Can you give us any scoop on Once Upon a Time’s Regina, please? We need something to cheer us up! –Ana
    Well, when I asked The Boys about the Regina/Robin Hood/Marian love triangle presumably on tap for Season 4, Adam Horowitz was quick to retort, “Who says we’re doing a love triangle?” He then explained, “Hopefully it becomes less about the relationship itself and more about Regina [and] open[s] the door to who she is and what she’s going to become.”
  • Do you have any info on Belle’s mom on Once Upon a Time? –Natalie
    Debuting in an Episode 6 flashback, Ma Belle Belle’s ma is described as “a strong-willed, spirited woman” who carries herself with grace and aplomb – even under the most trying circumstances. She’ll also boast a natural European accent, if casting has their druthers. | MattM/TVLine
  • As excited as I am for Once Upon a Time‘s Frozen storyline, I’m curious as to how The Knave (played by Michael Socha) is going to fit in in Storybrooke. Know anything about that? – Sarah
    Do I! Just seconds before publishing this week’s Inside Line, I got off the horn with Once creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis, the former of which said that The Knave’s “background as Will Scarlett, who was one of the Merry Men and a thief, comes into play very early.” Kitsis then added that for Wonderland fans, “We will be explaining why he’s in town. I can also say that he fits rather nicely into Storybrooke, and his introduction is a really fun one.”
  • Will Once Upon a Time’s Emma go house hunting or will she be living in that loft with Charming and Snow and a crying baby forever? –Shen
    “Emma needs her own place, and we’d love for her to see it this year,” Eddy Kitsis agrees. And perhaps to that end, Adam Horowitz notes, “The domestic situation of the Charmings and Emma and Henry and Regina does fit into the early episodes” of Season 4, premiering Sept. 28. | MattM/TVLine
  • Do you have any scoop about Once Upon a Time’s Belle that doesn’t involve Rumplestiltskin’s dagger? –Natalie
    What if I told you that we just may get to see some of Belle’s life before she met Rumplestiltskin. That would fit the Belle, er bill, yes? | MattM/TVLine
  • I’m loving the Hook/Swan thing on OUaT, but (...): How long will Emma put up with his choice of clothing? Come on, they’re not in FTL anymore and no one else is dressed as such. A shower and some nice clothes just might move Emma in the right direction. —Linda
    Aye, we may just find out if (new) clothes indeed make the man. I can exclusively report that there are plans to get Hook out of his pirate gear and into clothes befitting our world — and that his new look will be debuted in the early part of Season 4. Fun fact: After Colin O’Donoghue and I took this pic during my last set visit, I tried on Killian’s coat, and that slab o’leather weighs 50 lbs. if it weighs an ounce! | MattM/TVLine
  • Now that OUATs Emma and Hook kissed, and she let go of her walls and fears, is a CaptainSwan relationship possible, or is it too soon? –freak91
    Just because old issues have been put to rest, you can count on new ones arising. “There will be some challenges for them,” cocreator Adam Horowitz teases. Eddy Kitsis elaborates, saying, “The very first obstacle is Emma’s guilt over the fact that she just destroyed Regina’s relationship [with Robin Hood],” by transporting Marian to our world. “So there’s a part of her that feels guilt in starting a new romance of her own.”| MattM/TVLine
  • I am loving that Hook and Emma finally kissed in the Once Upon a Time finale! Any hints about how Emma now views him/their relationship? –Liz
    I can’t speak for the fictional character of Emma, but Jennifer Morrison, the actress tells TVLine. “They’ve both been through similar things, they’re both survivors and they’ve both had to fight in order to literally just live. There’s also something in them where they’ll both go to great lengths to protect the people they care about — and sometimes they’ll do really bad things to do that, but they both have really good hearts, so I think they see a lot of themselves in each other.” Emma is also seeing impressive changes in the pirate. “This season in particular, because Hook has really fought for Emma to be true to herself and be the most powerful version of herself, he’s earned a tremendous amount of trust from her, and that’s what really makes it organic for Emma to feel vulnerable with him,” Morrison notes. “I know that in my own life, I have a strong reaction to people who empower me and say, ‘You should be yourself, even if it means making some mistakes.’ So the fact that he does that, and isn’t at all put off by that, makes it a good place to start a relationship.” | MattM/TVLine
  • I need more Once Upon a Time scoop! — Karen
    Now that Rumple has pledged his life to Belle, he's going to have a tough time lying to her about his role in Zelena's death. Could this be the first crack in his seemingly unbreakable façade? "It's probably not going to be easy for him," executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. "Those were genuine vows and he loves Belle, but he's got his own weaknesses that he has to fight." It's like they always say: The best marriages are the ones built on lies! (What? No one says that?) |NatAbrams/TVGuide
  • Is there now going to be tension again between Once Upon a Time’s Emma and Regina? They developed so well this season! –Tass
    While Jennifer Morrison concurs that it was “cool and interesting” to explore “this idea of these adversaries finding common ground to save Henry,” she also says, “It makes sense that we’re going back to a place where these two women are going to be adversaries.” Surveying Emma’s bit of time travel tampering, she adds, “Emma definitely wants Regina to be with Robin, and she never would have intentionally done anything to hurt that. But she’d also never let someone die in the circumstance that [Marian] was in. So it’s one of those situations where doing the right thing is going to have terrible repercussions. But I think it’s good for the show. We should have conflict between Regina and Emma, because that’s where the show got its feet in the first place,” | MattM/TVLine



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general magazines and press coverage
San Diego Comic Con 2014
Summary of the panel
Summary of the panel #2
Spoiler synopsis for S4 from ABC
TVGuide - Henry learning the family business
SCREENFAD: Interview at Comic Con
*Interview clip summary posted Here
Video: Two Lies and a Truth - Belle dancing; Hook will kiss Emma again; Regina has a plan; Captain Hook will get his hand back
YouTube Comic-Con Interview Links
Eddy and Adam press interview - TVEqual
Eddy and Adam press interview
Adam and Eddy press interview SEAT42F
Adam and Eddy interview - AfterBuzzTV
Josh Dallas interview - AfterBuzzTV #225
Robert Carlyle & Emilie DeRavin interview - AfterBuzzTV
Lana Parrilla interview - AfterBuzzTV
Colin O'Donoghue interview - AfterBuzzTV
Jennifer Morrison and Colin O'Donoghue interview press roundtable
JMO and Colin interview press roundtable SEAT42F
JMO and Colin interview press roundtable - TVEquals
Lana Parrilla interview press roundtable - TVEquals
Lana Parrilla interview press roundtable
Robert Carlyle interview press roundtable SEAT42F
Robert Carlyle & Emilie DeRavin interview - TVEquals

Video of Ginny "skyping" into the panel
OUAT Season 4 Cast interview - TVLIne
S4 "trailer" shown at event
ABC - Season 4 Scoop from the Once Upon a Time Comic-Con Panel

PHOTOS:

DragonCon Convention: Sean Maguire

NY Comic Con 2014
crew
Adam Horowitz, executive producer and writer | twitter
Andrew Chambliss, writer | twitter
Jane Espenson, writer | twitter
David H. Goodman, writer
Robert Hull, writer
Daniel T. Thomsen, writer
Kalinda Vazquez, writer | twitter
Helga Ungurait, production | twitter

promotions
Storybrooke: Ginny and Josh | Lana Evil Queen
Show Posters - Season 2
Official Season Two Posters
Official Season Three promotional pictures
Official Season Three Posters

Season 4 Promotional Materials
Official season 4 posters: 'Storybrooke has Frozen over' Poster |poster #2 | main cast symbols "Frozen" posters |

Character posters: Snow and Charming | Emma | Hook | Regina | Rumple | Belle | Henry


future thread titles
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"I thought you said you could outrun a storm. This isn't a storm. It's bloody damnation!"
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"Magic is about emotion. Summon up that moment that made you so angry you would've killed if you could."
"Magic is power. Until you take power, you're not learning anything."
"It's time for us to believe. Not in magic, but in each other."
"No death is the best option."
Emma: I wouldn't eat the apples in this house
Now we can focus on our impending lack of a future. - Regina
Hook: "We're in Storybrooke. Never heard of the telephone?"


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OUAT S&S #237 "How often have you felt more like a savior than their daughter?" ~ The Snow Queen


True love comes in many forms but the sisterly bond, worth it's weight in magic." ~Rumpelstiltskin
"As someone who has created many monsters in his time, I am impressed by the number you did on Ms. Swan." ~ Mr. Gold
"Just remember love is free but all magic comes with a price. " ~ Rumpelstiltskin
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"But the next time a happy ending knocks on my door I'm going to be ready. I'm not going to let this book stop me again." ~ Regina
"You never raised a baby before, you just put one through a magical wardrobe." ~Emma






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Thanks for the new thread and love the title choice.
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Thanks for the new thread! Phew! Glad you took it back, this OP is a lot of responsibility!!!

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I personally do that expect perfection from characters but I do expect certain standards to be in place when a character has been established a certain way. Like I said, not all 'mistakes' are common place and presenting adultery as a simple mistake that everyone is expected to encounter and grow from is a pet peeve of mine and very misleading, in my opinion.

Granted, I would think the writing would not expect us to root for Robin's choice last night but who knows. I am almost detecting a different underlying message of ... 'it is oh so wrong but it just feels oh so right' kind of tinkering here and I feel it is an awful way to enjoy a foundation for a potential TL couple and to exploit OQ off of a vulnerable wife. For what? Hotness?

Anyway, yeah, some of us will see this differently.
I think Robin's mistake wasn't kissing Regina ... his mistake was trying to do the honorable thing when his heart had moved on. Sometimes what is right or wrong isn't clear.

I also think what I disagree about is that Robin was established a certain way. We haven't really seen Robin be firmly established and he says that he has done bad things in his past.

This show depicts characters that are flawed but still are always capable of love. Sometimes that love drives them to do what is right and sometimes it makes them do terrible things.
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Ill rewatch again to find the Will quote for the next thread. This one is good. Is robin ever going to get a house or apartment?
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The show is to focused on Frozen at the moment, that many other stories feels rushed. I think by 4B we see more backstory for Robin, but that is a bit late.
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I think Robin's mistake wasn't kissing Regina ... his mistake was trying to do the honorable thing when his heart had moved on. Sometimes what is right or wrong isn't clear.
THIS.

Granted, he couldn't have realized that at a more awful time since poor Marian is an ice cube. It would've been ideal if he focused on saving her first before ravaging Regina but, hey, I'm honestly not going to protest because that kiss was damn hot. Anyways, I believe Robin will return full force next episode to trying to save Marian now that he's stopped fighting his heart and admitted he wants Regina. I foresee OQ agreeing to stay away from the romance until Marian is saved but then being honest with her afterward. We shall see.
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Just reposting this as it was near the end of the old thread ...

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Sorry you were offended. It was meant as a joke! Every show I watch with my toddler I know exactly how its going to end but that's not the sort of show I want to watch for drama.


But you're not meant to root for Robin here. They made that very clear that he was doing the WRONG thing.

In order for characters to grow they have to be tested and Robin failed this test and acted selfishly. I personally don't know anyone who had never made a mistake but it seems like some fans demand perfection from their characters.
I personally do that expect perfection from characters but I do expect certain standards to be in place when a character has been established a certain way. Like I said, not all 'mistakes' are common place and presenting adultery as a simple mistake that everyone is expected to encounter and grow from is a pet peeve of mine and very misleading, in my opinion.

Granted, I would think the writing would not expect us to root for Robin's choice last night but who knows. I am almost detecting a different underlying message of ... 'it is oh so wrong but it just feels oh so right' kind of tinkering here and I feel it is an awful way to enjoy a foundation for a potential TL couple and to exploit OQ off of a vulnerable wife. For what? Hotness?

Anyway, yeah, some of us will see this differently.
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^ I brought over your post and responded up above ...
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Thanks for the new thread! Phew! Glad you took it back, this OP is a lot of responsibility!!!

I think Robin's mistake wasn't kissing Regina ... his mistake was trying to do the honorable thing when his heart had moved on. Sometimes what is right or wrong isn't clear.

I also think what I disagree about is that Robin was established a certain way. We haven't really seen Robin be firmly established and he says that he has done bad things in his past.

This show depicts characters that are flawed but still are always capable of love. Sometimes that love drives them to do what is right and sometimes it makes them do terrible things.
What I mean in Robin's case, when I make reference to a character being established in a particular way, is that inside of the premiere of this season, he was presented to the audience as being a man of honor who stands by a code. For the purposes of his marriage, standing by his vows to his wife Marian was deemed important enough to him, otherwise it would have been easy to just walk away from her. This came from the character himself, out of his own mouth, so yes, it means something and establishes a definition about his actual character. This episode also compounded on this idea during his conversation with Will which pays tribute to Marian who believed in him. Robin credits his wife for being the good man he is today. He transitioned into a man with some type of honor system: Stealing from the rich to give to the poor as opposed to just stealing for the sake of stealing. He may have done bad things in the past, admittedly, this admission was given to Regina but he also said the past was the past. I am not sure the intention was to revert Robin Hood back to those particular days but if the message meant to come across is that Robin is somehow his better more honorable self with his wife, and Regina brings out an impulsive darker side, and that is what their TL foundation is about, that will upset me.

Therefore, I think he did make a mistake in taking action to kiss Regina because it is dishonest. His wife, if she survives, is still living under the assumption that her husband is committed and faithful to her. This relationship has not been resolved in any manner of speaking yet. Being honorable is not a mistake. It is a decicision that requires committment and action which comes from a good place. The mistake might have been jumping on a decision one way or another without stepping back and thinking it through first. He clearly did not move on completely from Marian, though, there was still some type of unresolved sentiment from his end, otherwise he could have been truthful with Marian and left. At this point, we can not even tell how honest and forthcoming Robin has been with Marian regarding the entire situation and how she feels about being a mere obligation {which I am personally having a hard time buying}.

Love in its purest form is a selfless pursuit. It is honest. I think 'love' and 'terrible things' are like oxymoronic components to each other and love is never the cause of terrible things. Not even for TL in a show about fairytales would I buy that hurtful actions are intentionally pursued in the name of love because love itself never seeks to cause pain or hurt somebody. I think this is where 'love' and 'desire' become meshed because desire can twist into a selfish pursuit when taken to extremes. This can twist and pervert things and take it out of a context of love. Hurt is what begets more hurt and negative attributes, negative experiences, and negative choices are what lead to terrible consequences. In this case, Marian finding out about an unfaithful husband and being hurt would be a terrible consequence because of Robin's desire to kiss Regina.

There is no dispute for me that Robin fell in love with Regina. I do not have a problem with that. This did not happen while he was with Marian. He was moving on. He loves Regina, that is the way he feels, but I do have a problem with the notion that his feelings should be allowed to control his actions. He made a decision to stand by his wife. Perhaps now he does not think he can no longer honor that committment but the right thing to do, out of real love, is to first release his wife from a charade of a marriage before taking action with another woman.
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Just reposting this as it was near the end of the old thread ...
Thanks for doing that. Thought it was a well articulated POV which hasn't been expressed on the thread, and left me with a lot of food-for-thought as I'm going to rewatch the episode with your comments in mind.

So thanks for that.
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What I mean in Robin's case, when I make reference to a character being established in a particular way, is that inside of the premiere of this season, he was presented to the audience as being a man of honor who stands by a code. For the purposes of his marriage, standing by his vows to his wife Marian was deemed important enough to him, otherwise it would have been easy to just walk away from her. This came from the character himself, out of his own mouth, so yes, it means something and establishes a definition about his actual character. This episode also compounded on this idea during his conversation with Will which pays tribute to Marian who believed in him. Robin credits his wife for being the good man he is today. He transitioned into a man with some type of honor system: Stealing from the rich to give to the poor as opposed to just stealing for the sake of stealing. He may have done bad things in the past, admittedly, this admission was given to Regina but he also said the past was the past. I am not sure the intention was to revert Robin Hood back to those particular days but if the message meant to come across is that Robin is somehow his better more honorable self with his wife, and Regina brings out an impulsive darker side, and that is what their TL foundation is about, that will upset me.

Therefore, I think he did make a mistake in taking action to kiss Regina because it is dishonest. His wife, if she survives, is still living under the assumption that her husband is committed and faithful to her. This relationship has not been resolved in any manner of speaking yet. Being honorable is not a mistake. It is a decicision that requires committment and action which comes from a good place. The mistake might have been jumping on a decision one way or another without stepping back and thinking it through first. He clearly did not move on completely from Marian, though, there was still some type of unresolved sentiment from his end, otherwise he could have been truthful with Marian and left. At this point, we can not even tell how honest and forthcoming Robin has been with Marian regarding the entire situation and how she feels about being a mere obligation {which I am personally having a hard time buying}.

Love in its purest form is a selfless pursuit. It is honest. I think 'love' and 'terrible things' are like oxymoronic components to each other and love is never the cause of terrible things. Not even for TL in a show about fairytales would I buy that hurtful actions are intentionally pursued in the name of love because love itself never seeks to cause pain or hurt somebody. I think this is where 'love' and 'desire' become meshed because desire can twist into a selfish pursuit when taken to extremes. This can twist and pervert things and take it out of a context of love. Hurt is what begets more hurt and negative attributes, negative experiences, and negative choices are what lead to terrible consequences. In this case, Marian finding out about an unfaithful husband and being hurt would be a terrible consequence because of Robin's desire to kiss Regina.

There is no dispute for me that Robin fell in love with Regina. I do not have a problem with that. This did not happen while he was with Marian. He was moving on. He loves Regina, that is the way he feels, but I do have a problem with the notion that his feelings should be allowed to control his actions. He made a decision to stand by his wife. Perhaps now he does not think he can no longer honor that committment but the right thing to do, out of real love, is to first release his wife from a charade of a marriage before taking action with another woman.
Really well put. Thanks. We'll see what happens next week with Robin - it'll be interesting to see what Robin and Will's "project" is.
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He made a decision to stand by his wife. Perhaps now he does not think he can no longer honor that commitment but the right thing to do, out of real love, is to first release his wife from a charade of a marriage before taking action with another woman.
I think you're correct, yes, but since it's a fictitious show and not real life I'm less angry about it. I'm not saying it was right, but I stopped holding characters to my own personal moral standards years ago and just go with it. It makes viewing more fun and gets me less upset as a fan. I'm not saying that's how everyone should view it, just how I do.
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Thanks for doing that. Thought it was a well articulated POV which hasn't been expressed on the thread, and left me with a lot of food-for-thought as I'm going to rewatch the episode with your comments in mind.

So thanks for that.
You're Welcome. And thank you.

I am probably in the minority among OQ fans with this point of view, lol. I do not visit other social media sites such as Twitter or Tumblr, so I could not vouch for what the fan reaction is like there, but I just can not get onboard with the context and setting for this kiss. I like my ship too and I know many have felt impatient with the lack of progression but I still want to be able to enjoy a journey for a couple I like and not merely have them be 'end game' through any means necessary.
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