[Ragnarok]

That male demographic is significant. When the WB renewed AtS last spring, one of the factors that was cited was that it was one of the network's highest-rated shows in the young male demographic. If that slice of the pie has improved since last season, then we're in extremely good shape even if the overall numbers stay where they are.

So if you're a guy, keep watching!! (Not that we don't want females too [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] )

[Brian88]

Originally posted by ROCKSTAR: <STRONG>I hope they only get stronger so it looks great on the eyes of the Frogg. With tomorrow's Pornville's(those last 3 promos have been red hot!) 1961 episode I would expect a small increase in our ratings.</STRONG>

[img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] Yeah, I don't watch Smallville, but the promos have definitely been focusing on the whole Clark/Lana thing lately.

Originally posted by Ragnarok: <STRONG>That male demographic is significant. When the WB renewed AtS last spring, one of the factors that was cited was that it was one of the network's highest-rated shows in the young male demographic. If that slice of the pie has improved since last season, then we're in extremely good shape even if the overall numbers stay where they are.</STRONG>

Angel's male demographic numbers have always been pretty good for the WB. I'm a little surprised by that actually, since it seems like dark and broody Angel would appeal more to a female audience, but I guess the show is as much action as anything.

[Cloudburst2000]

I really don't think people are, overall, watching as much TV as they have been in the past few years. I know I haven't been. Angel is the only show that I'm watching on a regular basis. I just think people are growing bored with the lack of good programming and are doing other things instead *shrug* There are just alot of really bad shows on TV right now [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Ksbnet]

I am sort of scared to see how the overnight ratings turn out for tonight's episode. I have not yet watched it, but from the viewer's opinions, the episode was pretty weak. If this week's episode was not too good, then next week's may be even lower. Guess we will see the overnight ratings tomarrow morning. I just hope the series dont sink down too low.

[Ksbnet]

In the battle of the WB versus UPN, the frog net's combination of Smallville (5.8/ 9) and Angel (4.1/ 6) bested UPN's fading Enterprise (3.9/ 6) and struggling Jake 2.0 (2.4/ 3) by an average 61 percent. Despite the early non-success of Jake 2.0, UPN is being patient and has re-upped the freshman sci-fi drama for the remainder of the season.

- Mediaweek.com!

Well, this is good. The ratings stayed the same as last week, did not good up or down. I just hope the audience will toon in next week also.

[Cloudburst2000]

Originally posted by Ksbnet: <STRONG>In the battle of the WB versus UPN, the frog net's combination of Smallville (5.8/ 9) and Angel (4.1/ 6) bested UPN's fading Enterprise (3.9/ 6) and struggling Jake 2.0 (2.4/ 3) by an average 61 percent. Despite the early non-success of Jake 2.0, UPN is being patient and has re-upped the freshman sci-fi drama for the remainder of the season. - Mediaweek.com! Well, this is good. The ratings stayed the same as last week, did not good up or down. I just hope the audience will toon in next week also.</STRONG>

But like I've said, you can't really compare the ratings on WB shows and UPN shows because the WB network is carried by alot more providers than UPN is. This is why UPN shows rarely ever have higher ratings than WB shows, and also largely why BTVS' ratings went down the last two seasons. Alot of households just don't have access to UPN. So I don't much care how Angel does compared to Jake 2.0. I'd be more interested in how much money the show is bringing in as compared to the cost of making it. THAT is what will determine if it is renewed next year *shrug*

And I still think Angel needs to retain a larger portion of the Smallville audience. Yes, it is doing better than last year...but that's not saying much since last year the ratings were dismal. I think the WB execs are expecting the show to retain a larger portion of the previous audience then they are so far *shrug*

[Ragnarok]

I agree that AtS needs to do a better job of keeping the "Smallville" lead-in, but I find it encouraging that the ratings have stabilized. It's now gone up against "The OC" for two weeks and held its own.

Looking at the WB's top to bottom schedule, Wednesday night is one of the network's stronger nights. "Seventh Heaven" and "Everwood" are way down from last year and Friday night is a disaster zone. So if the Frog is looking to make changes, Wednesday night isn't their biggest headache.

Also, I understand they cut ME's budget last spring when they renewed it, so the cost per ratings point should be dramatically better now than it was last year.

[Doogie]

The Futoncritic is reporting fast nationals as a 2.8/4 in the first half hour and then a drop to a 2.6/4 in it's second half hour. So the final number would probably be in the vicinity of a 2.7/4. Which is the lowest number yet this season.

[ROCKSTAR]

Originally posted by Doogie: <STRONG>The Futoncritic is reporting fast nationals as a 2.8/4 in the first half hour and then a drop to a 2.6/4 in it's second half hour. So the final number would probably be in the vicinity of a 2.7/4. Which is the lowest number yet this season.</STRONG>

Heh. Oh where, oh where has the good writing gone?

Brian [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] Froggs betting money on those 2!

[Karbear3916]

Originally posted by Doogie: <STRONG>The Futoncritic is reporting fast nationals as a 2.8/4 in the first half hour and then a drop to a 2.6/4 in it's second half hour. So the final number would probably be in the vicinity of a 2.7/4. Which is the lowest number yet this season.</STRONG>

Angel got a 4.1 not a 2.7
wednesday's metered market ratings
(households, listed by program)

1. "Law & Order" (NBC) - 14.9/23
2. "The West Wing" (NBC) - 11.2/15
3. "The 37th Annual CMA Awards" (CBS) - 10.6/16
4. "The Bachelor" (ABC) - 9.2/13
5. "My Wife and Kids" (ABC) - 7.8/12
6. "Ed" (NBC) - 6.4/10
7. "It's All Relative" (ABC) - 6.2/9
8. "That '70s Show" (FOX) - 6.1/9
9. "The O.C." (FOX) - 6.0/9
10. "Smallville" (WB) - 5.8/9
11. "Karen Sisco" (ABC) - 5.7/9
12. "A Minute With Stan Hooper" (FOX) - 4.3/6
13. "Angel" (WB) - 4.1/6
14. "Enterprise" (UPN) - 3.9/6
15. "Jake 2.0" (UPN) - 2.4/3

the futoncritic.com and mediaweek.com are both saying 4.1 is angel's ratings..

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[Doogie]

Originally posted by Karbear3916: <STRONG> Angel got a 4.1 not a 2.7 wednesday's metered market ratings (households, listed by program) 1. "Law & Order" (NBC) - 14.9/23 2. "The West Wing" (NBC) - 11.2/15 3. "The 37th Annual CMA Awards" (CBS) - 10.6/16 4. "The Bachelor" (ABC) - 9.2/13 5. "My Wife and Kids" (ABC) - 7.8/12 6. "Ed" (NBC) - 6.4/10 7. "It's All Relative" (ABC) - 6.2/9 8. "That '70s Show" (FOX) - 6.1/9 9. "The O.C." (FOX) - 6.0/9 10. "Smallville" (WB) - 5.8/9 11. "Karen Sisco" (ABC) - 5.7/9 12. "A Minute With Stan Hooper" (FOX) - 4.3/6 13. "Angel" (WB) - 4.1/6 14. "Enterprise" (UPN) - 3.9/6 15. "Jake 2.0" (UPN) - 2.4/3 the futoncritic.com and mediaweek.com are both saying 4.1 is angel's ratings.. [ 11-06-2003: Message edited Karbear3916 ] [ 11-06-2003: Message edited Karbear3916 ]</STRONG>

The 4.1 is the overnight rating. The 2.7 is the preliminary final rating. Overnights don't matter. They only indicate what the final rating may be.

[KeithUrbanfan]

cool the ratings are staying the same [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[Bheryandcherry]

well with lasnt nights ep im glad we still have good storng ratings i guess i mean so far we dont have naything less than 4.0 wihich is always a plue. and samllvill isnt seeming ot od that much better so yeah dont no.

i bet the Drusilla and cordy eps will bring the raitngs up

bHERY

[ROCKSTAR]

Are those spoilers?? [img]smilies/look.gif[/img] Please, don't post spoilers!

[Cloudburst2000]

Okay, these are the final ratings for all 4 episodes:

ep1 Conviction: 3.4/5 and 5.2 million viewers
ep2 Just Rewards: 3.6/5 and 5.2 million viewers
ep3 Unleashed: 3.1/5 and 5.0 million viewers
ep4 Hellbound: 3.1/5 and 4.73 million viewers
ep5 Life of Party: 3.0/5 and 4.72 million viewers
ep6 Numero Cinco: 2.7/4

Anyone seeing a trend here? The numbers have been steadily dropping. The first two eppies had 5.2 million viewers each, then 5.0 million, then the last two eppies had around 4.7 million viewers, and even lower for this last eppy. The show seems to hold steady viewership for a couple of episodes and then we see a drop, then it holds steady for another couple weeks and then another drop. That's not encouraging. Dropping viewership is not a good thing when the show wants to be renewed for next season.