Aurora Cormier

Ugh, people

CosimasWeed

On the plus side, the homophobic tweet seems to have brought out more intelligent people who are saying Graeme and Co. are not homophobic but still claim OB could have done better. Kumbaya. Olive branches. Understanding. (Probably not, but the Supreme Court ruling makes anything possible. )

Nataliza

hmmm.. that's really inappropriate word.

But I hope they won't use it as a leverage and it won't end with GM choosing to answer only to those few (I hope) offensive tweets at the same time ignoring the rest which in a result will make the fans look crazy and solve their problem with explanations.
Maybe I am paranoid, but I need some justice!

CosimasWeed

I know. That's the first time I saw the word "homophobic" spewed all week. I understand how that might get on his last nerve, and I also understand that it's irritating he would choose that one comment to respond to. Things seemed to calm down quick though. Lots of intelligent comments followed and, like I said, they're reading them. Can't really ask for more.

RH!

I really dont like seeing the H word getting thrown around when thats not true in this case at all, I can think of a lot of ways Id describe it that are way more accurate. Hopefully Graeme doesnt have a fit now & kills Delphine just to spite people.

majesdane

I hope that at least GM sees the point people are trying to make though.

This reminds me of Margot's super offensive "lesbian sleeping with a man" storyline on Hannibal last year. People were outraged about it -- and some even called it homophobic, even though the creator of Hannibal, Bryan Fuller, is a gay man -- and BF was super defensive about the storyline and it was a big mess.

BUT in the end BF realized that the people who'd been upset really did have valid points and he later admitted all of it and (essentially) apologized. And now Margot's gonna have a relationship with a lead female character who's bisexual.

Point being, I hope GM and JF can scale down their own egos a bit and look at the point that people are trying to make here. YES some people might have phrased things the wrong way, but it doesn't make their points less valid. Killing off a queer female character is a HORRIBLE trope and the writers have already acknowledged it as such! So hopefully they can be mature and realize what people are actually trying to say.

CosimasWeed

Yes, I just made a similar point on another board. There are very legitimate arguments being made about a rather egregious representation issue they just perpetuated. If they choose to hide behind the comments of one idiot instead of consider the true issue, that's their problem.

Also, the idea that people should shut up, be quiet and hope that they'll do the right thing on their own is historically inaccurate. Marriage equality didn't evolve on the winds of silent prayers, for example. And every queer TV character is there because someone demanded it. Every gain comes because people demanded better from TPTB, whoever they are. Queer characters are getting more representation, but they're still getting killed off at an alarming rate. Pointing that out is absolutely legitimate.

That Bryan Fuller incident is an excellent point. I understand that Sally Wainwright has also admitted she made an error in killing of Kate in Last Tango in Halifax. I hope John and Graeme will realize how they could have done better, too.

RH!

From what Ive seen the vast majority have been going about this the right way and that makes me pretty happy. Of course those that arent are usually the ones who TPTB & other viewers who they use to paint the whole fandom as a bunch of crazies and dismiss the valid arguments made by others. Just because they had a replacement already in place doesnt mean they didnt execute a trope that they have themselves talked about how wrong it was.

BrooklynFan

This is actually the biggest thing that gives me hope that Delphine is not in fact dead, and this whole thing with Shay is just a big fake out. The writers have themselves acknowledged the lameness of the dead tragic lesbian lovers trope--would they really perpetrate it themselves?

I wonder, how will we all respond if they do bring Delphine back alive next season? Will we quickly forgive the bloody cliffhanger and get back on board with the show? I suppose it depends in large part on how they explain her actions in the finale, and how they handle her relationship with Cosima. I for one will be so pissed if Delphine is alive and they still continue the absurd triangle with Shay.

Speaking of Shay, I was struck by the fact that the official OB posts in support of the Supreme Court decision today we're all about Delphine and Cosima. If Shay and Cos are the next big thing and the endgame love affair of the show, shouldn't they have been featured? I guess the show runners realized that naked Shay and Cos with a toy car was not exactly up to the profundity of the day's events.

CosimasWeed

So true! And I noticed that too.

majesdane

THIS.

Oh man, I know someone who watched Last Tango and she was SO PISSED about Kate being killed. And she's usually not one to get all that up in arms about the death of fictional characters, so you knew it was pretty ****ty.

Well, that's how I felt BF would react too and then Hannibal S3 and all of his later comments happened and I was like, just totally blown away by it. You usually don't see that from showrunners, especially if they'd been THAT aggressive about defending the stupid thing their show did.

This.

And I'm sorry, but someone at OB may have "spoiled" to OBCrack that Delphine was gonna die, but somehow I doubt that ANY of tptb would leak a spoiler like that, even if they thought it was a confidential source. I mean, really, living near LA I know people who work in the entertainment industry and that **** is kept on serious lockdown because people can easily lose their jobs. So "someone" might have "spoiled" Delphine's death, but it doesn't mean they were telling the truth, lbr. (And wasn't there a post like, after S2, that said Delphine wouldn't be back for S3 because there was an "inside source" who said EBro wasn't well-liked by the cast and crew???? ) Basically, this kind of **** just isn't reliable.

Aurora Cormier

Something to celebrate today, PLEASE don't get sad

CosimasWeed

I keep hoping this is a big fake out, too. I think it could be. However, I don't feel a bit bad about giving them absolute hell about it in the meantime. I have no idea what their plan is and I'm not about to let it go unchallenged just in case.

I have no idea how I would respond to her coming back. I'd watch, but even if it ended up being the most awesome and shippy ending ever, I'd still be ticked that they went there.

I don't know what to make of the OB Supreme Court posts. I mean, they did just shoot Delphine and she and Cosima were the last to kiss, so maybe they don't want to press their luck on a bad week? LOL


The Tango death was beyond pointless. Just enraging. And Sally Wainwright admitted she wrote two versions and was iffy on kiling her and now thinks she was wrong, but...too late. Dead. OB has a chance to not go through with it.

As for the EBro schedule spoiler, I know she signed for X Company after OB S2, but why would she insist on being written off the show for S4 when she didn't even know XCo would be renewed? Her XCo contract may have made it so she couldn't guarantee her availability for the whole season, like S3, but she also might have been completely available if XCo had been canceled. The idea that in June 2014 she said looked at Oct 2015 to March 2016 and said "Nope" to show that gave her the most exposure of her career seems odd. It seems the possibilities were her schedule could be as bad as S3 (6 episodes) or could be better. Worse didn't seem to be an option. I don't know, blaming her just seems fishy (and tacky). Overall, I call absolute BS that she can't appear in S4.

And I remember that EBro isn't well-liked rumor. Right. She has such a ****ty reputation.

Happy Thought of the Day: KS isn't going to Comic-Con! I was really afraid they'd push her right out there. She could be added, I guess. But I was more relieved to read that than I thought I'd be.

Aurora Cormier

I KNOW, awesome

Nataliza

OMG

I hope something good will come out of it