Two themes for first half of Season 5: "Sometimes things aren't what they appear to be, and...love is a dangerous weapon." ღ
Welcome to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won’t show up on your GPS, but it’s a magical place to visit. Reality and myth merged after Emma broke Regina’s curse, which had deprived the fairy tale characters of their memories and trapped them in our modern world. When they finally regained their identities, our heroes were dismayed to discover that they weren’t transported back to Fairy Tale Land. To make matters worse, Rumplestiltskin – aka Mr. Gold – decided to escalate his power struggle with Regina by introducing magic into the town. But this is our world, and magic always has a tendency to yield unfathomable consequences.
“Once Upon a Time” returns to the ABC Television Network for its fifth season and master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz (“Lost,” “Tron: Legacy”) invite everyone to join Emma Swan, Snow White, Prince Charming, The Evil Queen, Hook and all the other resident fairytale characters as they cope with Emma’s new role as The Dark One and begin the search for Merlin. This is a journey that will take our heroes from the Enchanted Forest to Camelot and along the way bring many surprises, including encounters with a brave and headstrong Scottish princess named Merida.
As the season continues, new fairy tale characters will be revealed and old acquaintances will be revisited. Not everyone can be trusted but one thing remains true — you never give up on the people you love…
“Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood, Rebecca Mader as Wicked Witch/Zelena and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.
Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz are creators and executive producers. Steve Pearlman, David H. Goodman and Andrew Chambliss are also executive producers. The series is produced by ABC Studios. Once Upon A Time - Season 5 - Synopsis
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Sneak Peeks
Sneak Peek 1 | Emma and Rumple | "Siege Perilous" 5x03
Sneak Peek 2 | Hook and Emma | "Siege Perilous" 5x03
Sneak Peek 3 | Regina and Zelena | "Siege Perilous" 5x03
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5.03 - "Siege Perilous" written by Jane Espenson, directed by Ralph Hemecker | Airdate: October 11, 2015
DAVID AND ARTHUR EMBARK ON A HEROIC QUEST WHILE EMMA ENACTS HER PLAN TO DRAW EXCALIBUR
Sinqua Walls Guest Stars as Lancelot, Joana Metrass Guest Stars as Guinevere and Liam Garrigan Guest Stars as King Arthur
– In Camelot, the heroes feverishly work to free Merlin. Determined to help Emma, David embarks on a quest to retrieve a magical relic that Regina could use to communicate with the imprisoned sorcerer, but, when David leaves, Arthur insists on joining him because the dangers ahead are greater than he can imagine. Meanwhile, Mary Margaret discovers the fate of her old friend Lancelot. Back in Storybrooke, Arthur seeks David’s help to catch a thief who threatens the safety of the citizens of Camelot. Across town, Emma reaches out to a conflicted Hook as she sets about her plan to draw Excalibur from the stone, on the ABC Television Network.
Guest stars include Lee Arenberg as Leroy/Grumpy, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Liam Garrigan as King Arthur, Joana Metrass as Guinevere, Sinqua Walls as Lancelot, David-Paul Grove as Doc, Gabe Khouth as Sneezy, Faustino Di Bauda as Sleepy, Michael Coleman as Happy, Mig Macario as Bashful, Jeffrey Kaiser as Dopey, and Giacomo Baessato as Grif.
“Siege Perilous” was written by Jane Espenson and directed by Ralph Hemecker. source
Description of scene; Not much to see here. But what we decided is that Charming is in the midst of making a speech to newly arrived Camelot people under the watchful eye of Arthur. David holds up a silver cup to the crowd and proclaims that this chalice will reveal to him who among them is… [something we couldn’t hear–leaning toward Merlin though] just as he says this, a guy in a red cloak flees from the rear of the crowd, jumping up on a horse and riding away. Charming and Arthur tear after him, jumping in David’s truck to continue the chase. x
5.04 - "The Broken Kingdom" written by David H. Goodman & Jerome Schwartz | Airdate: October 18, 2015
guest-casting the role of a medieval manservant who is devoted to his employer but harbors a deep resentment… that may lead him to do very bad things. x ~ July 27 Update:Sir Kayx Adult, Lee Majdoub imdb
Aug 12th: Merida filming? x, Location pics Minaty Bayx
dialogue: “ A gift for King Arthur and his queen Guiniver”.[sic] Then Lancelot and Guinevere dance with guest and Arthur enters the scene shouting “Where is my queen?” Video here
casting the possibly recurring role of Sir Lionel, a distinguished knight who sits at King Arthur’s Round Table and is a single father to his 13-year-old daughter, Violet.X
Steveston filming 8/21: "Welcome to Storybrooke" carnival/fair set up xx | Gunievere and Camelot subjects in Storybrooke x
Colin, Sean, Lana, Emilie, Joana (Guinevere), Ginny on setx | scene 1 x | Josh too | Lana wearing red blazer
The first scene during night shoot: Jared, Olivia, Ryan Robbins, Gosh, Colin, Emilie, Liam, and Joana.
The last scene: Gosh, Colin, Emilie, Liam, and Joana x The last scene was them basically sitting in the table at the block party talking to one another. xx | Hook
Filming Summary:
Filming started at 1pm with a scene outside Granny’s. Lana and Ginny and Emile are there and some non-Storybrooke extras come up to them and then Colin and Sean come over and talk to them.
Next a scene between Storybrooke bank and Mr. Gold’s shop....Emile was there and Cruella’s car was parked on the street with “"FOR SALE” on the windshield. Colin and Sean come talk to her
Later scenes in a cool Storybrooke carnival/fair they set up in the street between the Rabbit Hole and the hardware store. Jared practiced riding a horse into the festival and talking to a girl (possibly love interest?) in a blue princess like dress.
Filmed a scene down by Gold’s shop ...Merida coming back from that area...that she had been shooting an arrow and blasting the door to Mr. Gold’s open during that scene.
EVENING Filming: Everyone is dancing and then Henry rides in on a horse and talks to the girl in the blue princess dress. Then Colin and Emile run into the scene with it seems like important news or something. a scene in that area with Liam and Gosh and Colin and Emile
Next the Charmings and Hook were at a picnic table talking with Arthur. Henry brings over the princess girl and talks to all of them. on set source
Scene Description x:
Emma knocked, they talked, then at some point Emma turned around, took two steps, turned around like she changed her mind about leaving, they talked more and then Regina got into the house and slammed the door. Emma left after a moment.
Regina is holding the dreamcatcher at the door x
August 27 - Night filming at Camelot set constructed in Central Park set pics
Jen, Lana, and Jared spotted in Camelot costumes x, xx
Stunt doubles used in the scene for Lana, Liam, and possible Jared x, x
Scenes filmes with Snow, Charming, Emma, Regina, Henry (probably Arthur and Merlin)x
First scene: Gosh, Lana, and JMo
2nd scene: Lana, JMo, Jared, Liam, and Elliot x
3rd scene: Elliot and Andrew (Percival) source | additional set report
August 28th filming - Scenes continue from previous evening set source
Lana, Jared, Jen, Elliot, Liam, and Andrew on set
magical flight between Regina and Merlin: Regina conjured up a fireball like she was trying to shield herself from a spell he had cast
in the end Merlin apparently prevailed, because Regina fell to the ground
while Emma was standing and facing Merlin and whoever was with him
Then they moved onto the next bit, which was quieter, BUT we did hear something. A man yelled “You ruined my life!” and I’m 99% sure it was Merlin. Now, the problem is I have no idea who he was telling that to. At first I thought Regina, since it was the two of them fighting, but when he said he was facing Emma, so he might as well have been talking to her.
Merlin, Arthur, Percival, with Regina, Henry and Emma at Camelot castle on set source
Henry look like he was crying or upset. Emma & Regina were comforting him, touching his arm. it looked like they were making some potion... xxx
Jen and Jared filmed with the bug in front of a pumpkin stand that said “Peter Peter’s” (which I thought was hilarious). Amy showed up on set before that scene seemed to be finished, but I’m not sure if they filmed together or not.
Bobby and Amy filmed together that evening
It’s different kind of dreamcatcher — like the one that Mr. Gold invited Emma to use one to “see” Archie’s “death” (in Season 2, Episode 10) — that the new title is meant as a nod to.
“Although dreamcatchers evoke and remind us of Neal, they have been used on the show — magically,” cocreator Eddy Kitsis explained.
Kitsis shared that “Dreamcatcher” as “a very Emma-centric episode,” though it won’t incorporate any flashbacks to her past.
“The construction [of Season 5A] is different as far as flashbacks go,” Horowitz noted. “But we will be getting an Emma flashback in the early part of the season.”
Fan Source: There were three scenes filmed from around noon to midnight. It was a long and very rewarding day.
Regina’s Vault: Hook, Charming, Snow, Regina, Arthur, and Guinevere. Hook, Charming, Snow, and Regina were all wearing their Storybrooke clothes (Hook in his leather jacket, Charming had on his typical style of clothes with his Sheriff badge on, and Snow had a cute blue cardigan on, Regina had on a blue dress and jacket). Arthur and Guinevere had on their Camelot clothes we’ve seen them in quite a bit here lately.
I couldn’t see the scene super well, but I could see that Snow and Charming had some sort of fight in front of the vault, Snow turns and angrily talks to Charming and then he reaches out to console her and she jerks away and moves towards Arthur and Guinevere who are standing in front of the vault.
Belle and Merida filmed down by what appeared to be the witch’s hovel from Brave. We couldn’t see anything. All I know is that they had bows and arrows down there and they took quite a few forest shots, probably for the CGI of the arrows or something. Belle had on a super pretty dress, but we only saw the top and then the bottom at different times. But very pretty.
Forest: Lancelot, Hook, Charming, Belle, Merida, and Merlin. This was literally the most boring scene to watch ever. It was just numerous shots from different angles to make it look like they were walking all over the forest and they were talking here and there. Hook was in that pretty new quilted looking coat, Charming was in his princely clothes, and Belle was in the same dress we saw her in during the afternoon shot with Merida. Night shoot photos
Sept. 24 filming: Central Park - park goers caught a glimpse of Captain Swan galloping through the park x
big scene on the medieval village set: at the Camelot wall set with the stunt coordinator, stunt mats and stunt doubles for Snow, Hook, Charming, Regina, Robin Hood, and Zelena were on set too x
Steveston location: October 1st- "filming of a rooftop stunt scene and a couple of dialogue scenes from 6pm to 3am" x | Hook on the roof x | Calls for Emma Swan x | Hook jumps off the roof of SB Library x
Hook ran into Gold's shop and retrieved object xpic
Camelot scene - Regina and Emma around the well doing something. “tell me what you’re really afraid of”. Sounds like the reply is "getting answers”. Snowing and Hook then come storming up and Charming yells “Regina!” Snow says something like “you’re being cruel” Regina says “I wasn’t”. Sometime after that Hook says “that’s enough”. Set report for shooting details
Oct. 5th - Red, Merida with Zelena xx | Arthur and Mulan xx
How would you say this Dark Swan is different from what we know of Emma? HOROWITZ: I would say that Dark Swan is an extension of Emma and an exploration of who she is. Just like when Rumpelstiltskin became the Dark One, it became an extension of all the character traits, flaws, and strengths he had. KITSIS: He was a coward, and the knife gave him the freedom to be powerful. HOROWITZ: Emma becoming Dark Swan has been a great opportunity for us to explore who she is at her deepest levels and to see those traits exploded in a way. That’s what the Darkness does to you. It takes who you are and twists it, and that’s what we’re going to see with Emma. Once Upon a Time season 5: Dark Swan spoilers from showrunners Adam Horowitz, Edward Kitsis | EW.com 9/10/2015
"There's a real driving force behind what Emma is doing and why," says co-creator Adam Horowitz. "Emma [before] was a very smart person who did things for a reason, and that translates. It's not a rampant evil that's been unleashed." Even so, "Emma is going to do something particularly bad," co-creator Eddy Kitsis assures, "and to the people she loves."...Elsewhere: Belle will team with Brave's Merida during her quest to revive Rumple, while everyone is advised to be frightened of pregnant Zelena ONCE UPON A TIME Fall Spoiler | TVLine 9/8/2015
guest-casting the role of a medieval manservant who is devoted to his employer but harbors a deep resentment… that may lead him to do very bad things. x ~ July 27, 2015
For Once Upon a Time, are we going to find out how different Mr. Gold is without the darkness inside of him?
“That gets explored,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “When the Darkness is removed from his heart, and if he gets out of that coma and doesn’t die, which is always a possibility, I would say that he should be a different person. His heart was shriveled with a lot of dark deeds, and so if you remove that, the person he was before the knife might rear its head.”| EW Spoiler Room 10/2/2015
Will we be seeing Lily back on Once Upon a Time this season?
Like Eion Bailey’s August, who also was in the mix as Season 4 came to a close, Lily (played by Agnes Bruckner) is theoretically “hanging out there somewhere [in Storybrooke],” series co-creator Adam Horowitz tells me. “We have a plan to pick up her story, though it’s not going to be right away. It may be the second half [of Season 5].” Will Once Upon a Time‘s 100th episode be the conclusion of the [Dark Swan] arc, or will it be more of a retrospective clip episode?
The ABC series’ milestone hour in fact will kick off Season 5B, in the spring. P.S. I’ll be moderating the Once panel at New York Comic-Con this Friday, e-mail me any burning Qs! | TVLine 10/15/2015
Now that Once Upon a Time‘s Emma is the Dark Swan, can her heart be removed from her chest? – Good question – yet one that is not addressed in the Season 5 premiere, at least, seeing as she is busy doing the pumper-plucking :-O What’s more, she’s not the only one in Sunday’s premiere aiming to take someone’s ticker!
Once Upon a Time‘s Zelena always has a trick up her sleeve. Do you think she will try to regain her powers? – I do “think” that, yes. The question is, though: Is she clever enough to outwit those who prefer her to remain incapacitated? Bonus premiere scoop: Amy Manson and her hair are quite terrific as Merida (and Rumple has a great line about the Brave one’s accent); Emma/Hook fans better have their GIF-making machines at the ready; and the episode ends with a final twist I did not see coming.| TVLine 9/28/2015
Will Once Upon a Time explore any storylines for Belle outside of Rumple this season? — Kelley
If you’re wondering whether we’ll see any flashbacks to Belle in her pre-Rumple days, “That might happen,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “I would say that the second half of the season is looking a lot like some of our past will come back to haunt us.” EW Spoiler Room 9/11/2015
Any new faces coming to Once Upon a Time? —
Yes, and the newbie has a connection to Henry. “We’re going to meet Henry’s very first crush,” says EP Edward Kitsis. Since Kitsis also notes that Camelot is a place of love, I’m guessing his crush will hail from there, but TPTB are keeping tight-lipped. “It’s a character that we’re going to meet and we want it to be a surprise,” adds EP Adam Horowitz. “It’s fun to give Henry something new to play and deal with, and to really explore Henry as a boy who’s growing up and all the joy and pain of adolescence.” | EW 9/04/2015
Can you explain to me the new Once Upon a Time photo of Dark Swan being trained by Rumplestiltskin? How can that be, if he’s in a coma back in Storybrooke? – Upon being consumed by the Darkness in the May finale, Emma “did not travel time, but she did travel realms,” series co-creator Eddy Kitsis makes clear. “And why Rumple’s there will be immediately explained within the first act of the premiere (airing Sept. 27).” Is the incredible resemblance between Once Upon a Time’s King Arthur (to be played by Liam Garrigan) and a certain one-handed pirate just happy coincidence? – With a chuckle, Eddy Kitsis affirms, “It is just a happy coincidence!” | TVLine 8/31/2015
Is there any hope that we will see Once Upon a Time‘s Robin Hood in a new adventure? When I heard Merida was coming (played by Amy Manson), I immediately thought that she would somehow end up related to him. – “We are going to see his adventure side,” series cocreator Eddy Kitsis answered when Matt Mitovich delivered your Q. As for the other ace archer entering the series’ mix, “Robin does not have a connection to Merida,” Kitsis said, “but he will intereact with her.” | TVLine - 8/24/2015
Next time you speak with Once Upon a Time creators Adam and Eddy, can you ask them about Belle’s storyline for Season 5A? Even a small hint would be greatly appreciated.
Your wish has been granted! “We’ve always wondered what would happen if Belle and Merida went on an adventure together…,” EP Adam Horowitz shares. “We hope you do, too, because it’s coming!” P.S. On a related note, everything I heard from the cast at Comic-Con suggested that Amy Manson really “hits the bull’s-eye” as the Brave heroine. Bonus scoop: For Episode 5, Once is casting the possibly recurring role of Sir Lionel, a distinguished knight who sits at King Arthur’s Round Table and is a single father to his 13-year-old daughter, Violet. | TVLine 8/17/2015
What about a potential bromance between Arthur and charming? Josh: if you look at the evolution of Charming, he was a shepherd and then became a prince and a husband and a father. He wants to know if he can still have these adventures - he has a big heart - he wants to know if he can still have these things as big as his heart. His relationship with Arthur will introspectively reflect that. | D23 Expo 8/15 “Josh, your daughter is going dark.” Josh: “It’s gonna teach Charming a lot of things and he’s gonna do his best to try to get her back to the light.” | D23 Expo 8/15
There’s going to be some people who are going to go to Camelot who never got to go before. People who should’ve been Snow’s real friends (I think dwarves) unlike Neverland so nows their chance. Gonna be solved in premiere. | D23 8/15
On Emma’s sacrifice: Regina doesn’t like to owe anything to anyone and this is like the first time anyone’s ever done anything like this for her so she feels like she really has to band together with everyone. She hates owing people so that’s gonna be the first half.
In the season 3 premiere Emma was like the coach. She banded them together and now with her gone it’s kinda the same. Everyone has different opinions on how to do things so there’s gonna be some fun moments - some hooked queen and her parents wanna do things differently. It’s gonna be a tense first few epis. | D23 Expo 8/15
In regards to Rumple, he was weak and couldn’t stand up for Bae whilst Emma is brave and awesome. What’s the dark one going to reflect in Emma? The dagger tricks you into having a freedom into losing your fear so she’ll have her own take on being TDO. | D23 Aug 15, 2015 | clarification
What’s going on with Rumple when Once Upon a Time returns? — Marisa
At Comic-Con, Robert Carlyle insisted upon making a very clear distinction about his character: “Rumple’s not in a coma. Gold’s in a coma,” later following up with, “Gold’s got a white heart, Rumple doesn’t. It’s a different thing.” It seemed like a passing comment at the time, but now I have a feeling it’s going to be very important in the new season. | EW Spoiler Room - 8/07
Do you know who possesses the Dark Swan’s dagger on Once Upon a Time? — Rachel As of this very moment, it’s TBD. “That is a discussion [and] that is absolutely addressed immediately,” Ginnifer Goodwin says, noting that it’s probably not a great idea for the Charmings to be the one to take it. “I don’t know that I would trust us with it,” she adds. However, whoever does end up with the dagger will learn that it’s not so easy to call upon the Dark Swan. “There’s also some caveats in how and when you can control the Dark One through the dagger,” Josh Dallas says. “Somethings can be possible and somethings are impossible.” | Spoiler Room ~ July 31, 2015
JMO:"They do establish with all of the Dark Ones in the past, which they kind of go back through in the beginning of the season this year, that everyone takes the Darkness for a good reason. Rumpel takes it because he wants to be braver for his son. Emma takes it because she's saving the whole town from being destroyed by the Darkness. Before that, they mention some of the earlier Dark Ones, and their good reasons for choosing the Darkness. I think there's something really interesting about this idea that people make bad decisions for good reasons sometimes, and how far down you can end up in the rabbit hole for having made a bad decision but for a good reason. That happens in life, so there's an incredible life lesson that they're telling with these stories. It's so easy to justify something when you don't know the domino effect of how far that can take you in life." | PopSugar 7/26/2015
How are the Charmings dealing with Emma going dark on Once Upon a Time? — Luis Not well. “It is definitely going to put a strain on Snow and Charming’s relationship,” Josh Dallas says. “There are things they’re going to go through in finding their way back to Emma.” But it’s not all doom and gloom this season. “You’re going to see Charming have a big bromance with King Arthur and go on some adventures,” he says. “We’re going to see Charming at his most heroic in Camelot.” Spoiler Room ~ July 24, 2015
So wait, Merida is NOT Rumple’s mom on Once Upon a Time? — Trisha Correct! The producers were hoping to keep the surprise of Merida joining the show intact by throwing fans off with fake casting sides. “The only way to throw the press off and our fans off of this being Merida was to say we’re casting Rumple’s mother,” EP Edward Kitsis says. “It honestly worked because for once, this was not spoiled.” Fear not, EP Adam Horowitz says Rumple’s mother is a character they eventually want to introduce. As for Merida, “We’re going to meet her through Emma,” says Kitsis. Adds Horowitz: “It’s certainly a part of Emma’s journey as the Dark Swan and dealing with her darkness. All that is tied with how we explore the world of Camelot this year.”Spoiler Room ~ July 17, 2015
How much will we see Maleficent and Lily on the new season of Once Upon a Time? — Jaimie Because the focus is on Emma becoming the Dark One — did you see the awesome shots of the Dark Swan? — the hunt for Lily’s father will take a backseat for at least the first five episodes. “We intend to tell that story at some point this season,” EP Edward Kitsis says. “We set it up for a reason. That is one we are definitely intending to do.”Spoiler Room ~ July 3, 2015
"The breakup of a certain couple will go down as one of the — if not the — most polarizing events of the 2015-16 season.
I’ve learned that a hit series will throw caution to the wind and put a (possibly permanent!) pin in one of TV’s most popular love stories — a game-changing move that threatens to seismically alter the DNA of the series. Oh, and it will also piss off a lot of people, a backlash The Powers That Be are said to be fully prepared for and not necessarily all that fearful of; the aging series could benefit from having its core rocked, many believe." | TVLine ~Blind Item 6/30/2015
Any scoop on Once Upon a Time? I’m not particular, I’ll take anything! –Allison I’m hearing that the season opener, not unexpectedly, will pick up right where the finale left off, with Emma having vanished after taunting the disembodied Darkness with the Dark One’s dagger. Where exactly the Savior was transported to, however, thus far remains a closely guarded secret (but hey, that’s what Comic-Con is for, amiright?) Also, it will be sooner rather than later that we meet King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. | TVLine 6/29
When will you be posting #EWHotSeat for Once Upon a Time? — Andy You’ll have to wait patiently because Hot Seat won’t be coming out until Comic-Con. But I’m feeling generous, so how about a little sneak peek? When I asked the guys whether Zelena’s baby will be born this season, EP Edward Kitsis answered with a definitive…. yes! Poor Regina. That is one messed up family tree. | EW - 6/26/2015
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In my land, people, well, men, don't think a woman can lead. Oh, not just in your land.
Come hell or high water, we are going to put our nonsense aside, and find my daughter.
Everyone who sips from this well enjoys the taste too much.
We've been on the sidelines too long, sister, missed too many adventures. Now it's embarrassing.
What? How? It doesn't matter how. Has anything ever stopped me before?
"Camelot is a place of love" - Eddy Kitsis
"Exactly what I need, the tear of someone who faced their inner darkness and turned away." ~ Rumplestiltskin
"I thought you said you could outrun a storm. This isn't a storm. It's bloody damnation!"
"Love is a weapon. As dangerous and persuasive as magic." Hook to Belle x
“No one’s ever done anything like this to me before. No one’s ever been willing to die for me. - Snow White”
Emma: "There's nothing wrong with being cautious." Mary Margaret: "It may keep out pain, but it also may keep out love."
“Never underestimate the power of a guilty conscience.” — Rumplestiltskin to Snow White and Prince Charming
I see it, but I don't believe it... Actually, the fact that you can see it tells me that you do believe.
The cardinal rule of The Authors is don't write your own happy ending. As you can see I broke that rule
"What magic are you going to hide behind today?" ~ Hook
"No need to yell, Snow. I will always find you."
Hook: "How do you know how to sail a ship?" Henry: "I had a great teacher. You."
"Love is a part of all happiness and you have to be open to that."
"That's what villains do, they make themselves happy at the expense of others, but it just makes them more unhappy." ~ Snow White
It is tempting is it not, the power of the quill?" ~ The Apprentice
"Not eve an Author can bring back the dead, no matter how much he may wish it." ~ The Apprentice
"The truth is what you must write. I hope you can resist the temptation of the quill." ~ The Apprentice
"The power to change reality is only out weighed by the cost." ~ The Apprentice
"It would seem at this time, we have found the right person for the job." ~ The Apprentice
"At least in the end, I got one last taste. We were happy in there, we were in love." ~ Mr. Gold
"I was already in love. Everthing we had in the book, you could have had here." ~ Belle
"Go far away, when the man is gone only the Dark One remains, and that is more dangerous than you can imagine." ~ Mr. Gold
"Purest evil, blackest bloom, darkness, too, can find its doom. Never dying, but contained, bound inside the Falcon's Chamber, shown of anger, thornless danger, there forever to remain." ~ The Apprentice
"You figured out how to take the darkness out of me once. You need to do it again, as heroes." ~ Emma
"I love you." ~ Emma Swan
Long before your stories began, [Merlin] battled the darkness. He was able to keep it from consuming realms. He tethered it to a human soul that could be controlled by the dagger…. - The Apprentice, 4.22
"The Sorcerer is the only one with the power to destroy the darkness once and for all, before it destroys everything."
"You must stop the darkness." ~ The Apprentice
, Once Upon A Time: Journey to Neverland
“This is about family…and that’s what saves you in the end.” x
"Our show is for believers. We wanted to make this show about hope and not be cynical—which is tough in today’s world when usually anything that is cool is cynical. We wanted people once a week to feel the way I felt when I watched Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and the boy got the golden ticket. For me that personally was important. I like that feeling and it’s important. Henry embodies that."
- Eddie Kitsis from Neil Landau’s 'The TV Showrunner’s Roadmap’
"Once Upon A Time is, at its core, a story about hope. For us, that’s what a fairy tale is. It’s that ability to think your life will get better."
"Adam and I just wanted to write about something hopeful that for one hour a week allows one to put everything aside and have that feeling that your dreams just may come true." - Edward Kitsis
Regina could have had the same thing in the Enchanted Forest, tho. Snow's unhappiness was more important to her... I think they've been intentionally paralleling their stories
So much this statement. And not only did that sneak peek not paint Zelena in asympathetic light, it made Regina look like a huge hypocrite. She tried to take everything from Snow, including trying to seduce David. She and Zelena suffer the same blaming someone other than Cora syndrome.
And why hasn't anyone mentioned that Killian was willing to let Robin, a single father to a young boy, die two episodes in a row to "save" Emma. Why is Emma's not being dark more important than Robin's life? And was Snow actually going to agree with him?!
Also not happy with the lack of Charming sneak peks. They definitely should have not released the Zelena one as it's not going to interest viewers into tuning in.
So much this statement. And not only did that sneak peek not paint Zelena in asympathetic light, it made Regina look like a huge hypocrite. She tried to take everything from Snow, including trying to seduce David. She and Zelena suffer the same blaming someone other than Cora syndrome.
And why hasn't anyone mentioned that Killian was willing to let Robin, a single father to a young boy, die two episodes in a row to "save" Emma. Why is Emma's not being dark more important than Robin's life? And was Snow actually going to agree with him?!
Also not happy with the lack of Charming sneak peks. They definitely should have not released the Zelena one as it's not going to interest viewers into tuning in.
The thing about Killian is he is a piece of this puzzle that is very important. He's going to be the one who always thinks of Emma first. That's needed in this because everyone else is going to put others in front of Emma at various times and someone needs to put her first always. It doesn't make him right but the role is needed.
I am also disappointed in the lack of Charming sneak peeks but maybe they're all too spoilery?
I'm not denying that. But Regina's story took years for them to build.
Zelena was a half season villain who is suddenly back as a regular now. The first thing they did with her when she came back? Kill Marian, pose as her, rape Robin.
They can play it as parallels all they want, I cannot sympathize with her. Regina has her story. They should have given Zelena her own.
See, I don't think they should have because there isn't room for it in this huge cast. To me, Zelena is part of Regina's story...
Snow and Charming have gotten a lot of well deserved flak because they wanted to keep Emma from going dark by putting it on Lily. But when Killian wants to keep Emma from darkness by letting an innocent father of a young son who has no other parent die, he's not criticized because he's the only one who puts Emma first. He's definitely wrong and it should be called out.
Snow and Charming have gotten a lot of well deserved flak because they wanted to keep Emma from going dark by putting it on Lily. But when Killian wants to keep Emma from darkness by letting an innocent father of a young son who has no other parent die, he's not criticized because he's the only one who puts Emma first. He's definitely wrong and it should be called out.
To be fair, on this thread nobody has criticized Killian OR Snow for once again being willing to let Robin die to preserve Emma's goodness. And they both had the same opinion and argued against Emma saving Robin.
But I have seen a lot of criticism against both characters elsewhere online that they both did the same twice to Robin.
Personally I think it was messed up of both of them so no point in blaming one more than the other or saying one of those characters was more "right."
I think A&E are trying to show that both Killian AND Snow are being corrupted by this quest to save Emma.
The thing about Killian is he is a piece of this puzzle that is very important. He's going to be the one who always thinks of Emma first. That's needed in this because everyone else is going to put others in front of Emma at various times and someone needs to put her first always. It doesn't make him right but the role is needed.
I see Snow as someone who is very much putting Emma first. It's not just Killian.
Both are willing to let innocent people die in their efforts to preserve Emma's goodness.
Regina has her story. They should have given Zelena her own.
I think that's one of the major issues with this story, to be honest. There's parallels and there's essentially plagiarizing your own writing. I'm aware of what they're likely trying to do here, but I'm just not overly impressed by or interested in the execution of it. We've been through this with Regina and Snowing and the characters earned the relationship they have now over the course of four full seasons. If they want me to care about the Regina/Zelena relationship, this is not the way - and for a whole variety of reasons. That said, I do enjoy the kind of dynamic Lana and Bex have. But currently it also only adds an extra layer of disappointment to the material they've been given to work with, I'm afraid.
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And why hasn't anyone mentioned that Killian was willing to let Robin, a single father to a young boy, die two episodes in a row to "save" Emma. Why is Emma's not being dark more important than Robin's life? And was Snow actually going to agree with him?!
I didn't want to bring the topic up in this thread, but I definitely have issues with that. I tried to let it go the first time around, after 5x01, but if the same characters are willing to let one of their own and the father of a young child die two episodes in a row… bit hard to swallow. Snow did help save him (and Regina) in Storybrooke, though, so there's that.
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but she kept her balance and opened her eyes again,
with an infinite beautiful sadness in them.
I am also disappointed in the lack of Charming sneak peeks but maybe they're all too spoilery?
ABC hasn't had problems releasing too spoilery sneak peeks before, so I doubt that's the case. Plus, every single scene he's in is too spoilery? That seems unlikely too.
Snow and Charming have gotten a lot of well deserved flak because they wanted to keep Emma from going dark by putting it on Lily. But when Killian wants to keep Emma from darkness by letting an innocent father of a young son who has no other parent die, he's not criticized because he's the only one who puts Emma first. He's definitely wrong and it should be called out.
No one is saying you can't call him out. I actually think that that kind of singular focus on saving Emma will be what makes Hook "fail" her
I think that's one of the major issues with this story, to be honest. There's parallels and there's essentially plagiarizing your own writing. I'm aware of what they're likely trying to do here, but I'm just not overly impressed by or interested in the execution of it. We've been through this with Regina and Snowing and the characters earned the relationship they have now over the course of four full seasons. If they want me to care about the Regina/Zelena relationship, this is not the way - and for a whole variety of reasons. That said, I do enjoy the kind of dynamic Lana and Bex have. But currently it also only adds an extra layer of disappointment to the material they've been given to work with, I'm afraid.
I'm going to keep quiet about the Zelena storyline (for the most part), but I will say that I thought there was a huge disconnect between the Regina we saw giving Zelena another chance in 3B and the Regina in the sneak peek. They're once again trying to beat us over the head with parallels instead of writing a new and intriguing storyline, and I think it's doing literally every character involved a disservice.
I didn't want to bring the topic up in this thread, but I definitely have issues with that. I tried to let it go the first time around, after 5x01, but if the same characters are willing to let one of their own and the father of a young child die two episodes in a row… bit hard to swallow. Snow did help save him (and Regina) in Storybrooke, though, so there's that.
I also take issue with this, but part of me is glad that they're showing the ugly side of what it means to achieve an end "at all costs" and not just slapping it on Regina again.
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And then her heart changed, or at least she understood it; and the winter passed, and the sun shone upon her.
I think the Regina in 3B who was willing to forgive Zelena hadn’t been hurt by Zelena, though. If you look at what Zelena did in 3B it was all most hurtful to Rumple. Her plan to change the past was just a threat to Regina but no actual harm was done. Since they Zelena has refocused her aim and hurt Regina in very personal ways.
I think Zelena is meant to have Regina confront the nature of what being a hero might mean. Being the Savior doesn’t mean breaking a curse … it means bringing back the happy endings and protecting everyone. It’s one thing to give a second chance to someone who threatened you with what ended up being empty threats or to someone who is evil but was your friend … it’s quite another to help someone who has hurt you. Zelena has hurt Regina just as deeply as Regina hurt Snow so can she reach that level of forgiveness?
I actually had a lot of issues with Hook this episode. While everyone else including the merry men and the dwarves were out looking for Camelot people, setting up refugee camps, and saving Robin he just sat around pouting about Emma. Yes, he always puts her first, but if they want me to believe he's a hero now, he needs to be out helping others not just Emma.
I'm going to keep quiet about the Zelena storyline (for the most part), but I will say that I thought there was a huge disconnect between the Regina we saw giving Zelena another chance in 3B and the Regina in the sneak peek. They're once again trying to beat us over the head with parallels instead of writing a new and intriguing storyline, and I think it's doing literally every character involved a disservice.
Exactly. The disconnect between where Zelena's journey left off in late s3 and then picked up again last season has always bothered me, but it was probably more obvious than ever in this sneak peek. Not a fan. I have to admit, I'm not hugely surprised this is happening in an episode written by Jane Espenson, though. She has a very... particular way of writing Regina that's quite hit and miss, especially regarding the nuances of the character, and some of the lines for both sisters in that scene immediately screamed her name to me, even before I went back to check who wrote it.
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but she kept her balance and opened her eyes again,
with an infinite beautiful sadness in them.
I actually had a lot of issues with Hook this episode. While everyone else including the merry men and the dwarves were out looking for Camelot people, setting up refugee camps, and saving Robin he just sat around pouting about Emma. Yes, he always puts her first, but if they want me to believe he's a hero now, he needs to be out helping others not just Emma.
Criticizing the character is one thing but I find this to be kind of ignoring what he did in the episode. He went to Belle and asked how to break the curse and then set off to do just that. He was being very proactive.
