[Miranda]

That could very well be true Mona. About Naomi being his second wife.
I think that is a good speculation!

I remember that he bought the house and blew it up. So maybe like Mona said the story Red told Madeline Pratt was true and all that happened in that house.

There is def. a deeper past between Red and Sam. They were friends that's what Red told Liz. Maybe Sam was working for the gouverment too like Red did before he became a criminal? That just made me think of a question.
What is the history between Red and Sam?

[One Thing Remains]

That's a great question Miranda I will add it to the OP

[Ceta_Cea]

After watching the first part of the Luther Baxton episodes I do wonder about a couple things.

Red knows that Liz holds part of the answer to the whereabouts of the Fulcum. Why didn't he try to pick her memories about it before? I mean he clearly knows that as soon as the Alliance knows that he doesn't have it, they will try to kill him. Why didn't he try to actually get it before?

Am I right when I think that the Alliance (sorry if the spelling is wrong) is group of highly powerful people, who are part of goverments and agencies and so on? The so called good people who are doing dirrty work in the shadows.

Again Red hints at the fact that he did not choose to become a criminal so much as that he kind of atapted to a shift/crisis that happend in his past.

[Lauren Helen Graham]

We got an answer at least in last nights episode! What the Fulcrum is!

"It's a blackmail file , proof of the existence of an extraordinarily powerful [... - I don't understand that word] organization. " - Red

I'm not sure if we'll ever find out about the deeper connection of Sam and Red...

[Ceta_Cea]

I think the Alliance, the group of people around Alan Fitch is that organisation.

Oh, I have a feel we will learn more about Sam soon.

[Lauren Helen Graham]

Yeah, of course that's the organization but I really don't understand the word Red is using for them... It's not Alliance I'd say But I could be wrong, Mona

You think so? Why? (Sam I mean )

[Miranda]

Originally Posted by Ceta_Cea (View Post) After watching the first part of the Luther Baxton episodes I do wonder about a couple things. Red knows that Liz holds part of the answer to the whereabouts of the Fulcum. Why didn't he try to pick her memories about it before? I mean he clearly knows that as soon as the Alliance knows that he doesn't have it, they will try to kill him. Why didn't he try to actually get it before?

She doesn't know what the Fulcrum is. She didn't know where it was until Red told her about it. Red said that Braxton couldn't get the Fulcrum without her. And then she asked what that ment but Red never got a chance to answer cause then they got shot at and that thing exploded.

[Lauren Helen Graham]

I've got the word and am able to add the answer to the question in the OP Red's using the word "clandestine" Damn it, never heard that word before but yeah, makes sense.

[L i N d $ @ y]

After watching that ep, my question is : Why does Luther Braxton need Liz to find the fulcrum?

Also what is the fulcrum, who are in it and where is it?

[Ceta_Cea]

@Lindsay: It is a blackmail File. I guess it's a file which includes the names of the people who belongs to this organization and most likely also information on deals they made.

I think there are two ways how Liz plays into the whole Fulcrum scenario. Liz is not aware of it or her role in it. Either there are memories hidden in her brain that could lead the way to the Fulcrum. May be her real father had something to do with it. Or Luther needs her for her profiling skills to find it.


In case I'm not the only one who doesn't know what Fulcrum means. I went to a translation website to translate the word into my native language (well almost native) and according to that website the German word for Fulcrum is "Drehpunkt". Another English word, for all those of you who doesn't know this already, would be pivot or centre of rotation. Not sure if it's necessary to know this, but I think it's interesting to know. Even though I have no idea how it plays into the show.

[Miranda]

That's a good question Lindsey!

I think you could be right about the memories in her head Ceta_Cea but I don't think that Luther Braxton knows that Liz is a profiler for the FBI so I doubt he needs her profiling skills, even if she would use her profiling skills I don't think she could find out where the Fulcrum is.

[Lauren Helen Graham]

I just answered this question:

7. What's the Fulcrum?
>> It's a blackmail file , proof of the existence of an extraordinarily powerful clandestine organization.

And added those:
Why does Luther Braxton need Liz to find the Fulcrum?
Why didn't Red try to get the Fulcrum before?

Mona, that's what I as well think about the Fulcrum Why else would it be that important to them...

Somehow I bet her real father has something to do with it or otherwise why would the fire and everything be part of it?

Aww, thanks for all the information on the word "Fulcrum", Mona That's really good to know... I never wondered about it but now that we know what it means, nice and interesting.

Why do I still think that this bunny has something to do with it...

[L i N d $ @ y]

Originally Posted by Ceta_Cea (View Post) @Lindsay: It is a blackmail File. I guess it's a file which includes the names of the people who belongs to this organization and most likely also information on deals they made. I think there are two ways how Liz plays into the whole Fulcrum scenario. Liz is not aware of it or her role in it. Either there are memories hidden in her brain that could lead the way to the Fulcrum. May be her real father had something to do with it. Or Luther needs her for her profiling skills to find it.

Thanks! I have a feeling Fitch was part of this although I wonder if Red knew all along of it's existence and he was just working his way towards it but then Luther Braxton happened and now we were introduced to the fulcrum. I agree about your theory that they might need Liz to find it because of her memory, which would answer why her father is a criminal if he has ties to the fulcrum.

[Ceta_Cea]

Question for the OP: If Liz real father had something to do with the Fulcrum, was he a part of the organization / did he work for it? Do we have any information whether the real father is dead or not?

Taking what Red told Madeline at face value, my reasons for that I stated already either here or in the Red&Liz thread: What if the organization killed Reds family. For whatever reasons, maybe he found something about them in his work as an Officer or maybe he did something to contradict one of their deals. He then tries to find out why they did it and who did it and finds that Liz real father has information on it. It would explain why the whole thing is so important to him.

I came up with three different scenarios for the house fire:

1. Red burnt the house down as retaliation.

2. The house was already burning and Red went in & found Liz and got her out.

3. Red wasn't anywhere near the fire but somehow found Liz afterwards and thought it would be safer for her to stay with Sam.

I'm sure the writers have a completely different story in mind but I love to speculate about this show (most often before I go to sleep). I'm just writing my speculations down, you don't have to comment on it. I want to have them written down for the time when to show is finished (which I hope will take a looooooooooooong time), to see whether I was right or not.

Anyway if the writer ever come to this board, I'm sure they would have a field day reading our theories.

[One Thing Remains]

Maybe Liz knows where the file is hidden in a repressed memory? It can't be found unless Liz remembers where it is? And there is something on that data base that would lead Braxton to Liz?


The word you didn't understand Kris was clandestine which basically means a secretive, off the books type operation where there would be no findable records about this group or what spy games stuff they accomplish.