[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) As for family vacations, do they actually take them? My family has never taken a family vacation. It's always going to a family reunion if there is one or not going anywhere. Not every family has them so I think that may be a moot point.

Mexico.

I do not believe it is a moot point, at all. Melody and Gabe will be big family vacation people. I can see that clearly. Gabe takes this parenting stuff seriously, and Melody will, too.

Melody has specifically told Travis and Emmett that she wants them to work together as big brothers to these two twins she is adopting. I believe she even used the word need, as in she needs them to come together to support her in this family endeavor.

Will Travis set himself up to make all of that awkward, if he pursues a serious relationship with Bay? Will Travis and Emmett be able to be big brothers to these twins, as Melody hopes that they will?

Will Bay be able to enjoy going on family vacations with the Bledsoes, as Travis's life partner? Which brings us to another interesting point to ponder:

In another thread, Kassie, we talked about the right of parents to maintain a relationship with a child's ex. You agreed with the advice columnist that the mother should not send a letter to her son's ex-girlfriend, to wish her well in her new life.

As I watched the spring break in Mexico episode, I remember the irony of Bay's line, "How dare he. How dare he come on this trip with all of us. How dare he."

Didn't Bay realize that Melody belongs to Emmett? Bay should not have been astonished at the audacity of Emmett to accompany his mother on a vacation. Bay should have been astonished at her own audacity in thinking that she had a right to go on a vacation with Emmett's mother, after they had broken up.

Melody belongs to Emmett. She always has and she always will.

It's unfair of Bay to try to hold onto her relationship with Melody, now that she and Emmett have broken up. If Travis and Emmett are brothers, then it was unfair of her to try to develop a friendship with Travis after the breakup, as well.

Emmett and Daphne were best friends long before Bay ever came into the picture in either one of their lives. That's different, for that reason. But even at some point, Emmett may need to let go of his friendship with Daphne, if she and Bay are truly sisters.

It's all interesting to ponder.

As for the final one, I found the scene on YouTube again to make sure before I talked about it (link here). John is talking coaching with Kathryn in the kitchen and Travis comes over. He then asks for John's help with his paper (no pushing involved) and then John says that Kathryn could do it not him. I also don't think it should be a easy fix. I thought the way the scenes played out with Travis being frustrated and Kathryn being frustrated back is very true to the situation.

To me, that scene was about Travis going to his baseball coach, because that is what a baseball player should do, if they are having difficulty in school. It didn't have to do with trusting John, as much as that's just what the rule book says you are supposed to do.

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Hope we hear more on these two soom

[Kassiek]

I wouldn't call Mexico a vacation at all. It was a volunteer study trip for the girls. I went on one of those in college when I went to Jamaica and did volunteer work. I wouldn't call that a vacation at all even though we had some free time and spent that at a resort. It wasn't the main reason they went there.

As for the how dare he line, I took that as she had been told he wouldn't be coming on their school's study trip and then he decided to after he. Technically, he shouldn't have been able to come since it would have been sponsored through the school. He went because Gabe called him and it was a surprise for Melody. Melody didn't know, but Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there.

[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) I wouldn't call Mexico a vacation at all. It was a volunteer study trip for the girls. I went on one of those in college when I went to Jamaica and did volunteer work. I wouldn't call that a vacation at all even though we had some free time and spent that at a resort. It wasn't the main reason they went there.

The teens were calling it "spring break" and it's just the kind of vacations that my family took every year. We'd tag along with my brother-in-law's work, and it took us all to places like Colorado Springs, CO, Lancaster, PA, Savannah, GA, etc. In my mind, Gabe is an adventurous guy, and he wants family. He'll be asking Melody and their brood to travel all over the world. If Travis dates Bay, that will make things painful for Emmett. And how will Bay feel when Emmett shows up with Skye (or even worse, with his new wife)?

The kind of feelings Bay and Emmett have for each other don't disappear.

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) As for the how dare he line, I took that as she had been told he wouldn't be coming on their school's study trip and then he decided to after he. Technically, he shouldn't have been able to come since it would have been sponsored through the school. He went because Gabe called him and it was a surprise for Melody. Melody didn't know, but Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there.

Emmett sure would have been allowed to go.

The only people from UMKC were Melody, Daphne, Travis, and Bay. The dozens of other people who were part of the mission had nothing to do with UMKC. Emmett was one of those people. He wasn't part of the UMKC group. That was true for most everyone there.

What do you mean by "Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there"?

Emmett says himself he had no idea that she would be there. Travis tells Bay that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Even Bay admits that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Bay was a last minute tag along and seeing as she is not a part of the Deaf program at UMKC, I don't even know how she was allowed to attend. Melody must have pulled some special strings for her, but at my school, it would not have been allowed. There are too many liability issues that come with taking people on a school sponsored trip.

But to be honest, I don't even think it WAS a school-sponsored trip. Melody tells Daphne that she is going as a way to spend her spring break. Melody is taking Travis with her, as her son, not as part of the school's Deaf program. No other Deaf students are going.

Daphne asks to go with Melody as a friend, again, not as part of the school program. And Daphne asks last minute. Then, Bay asks even after that.

Bay had no business being there. I feel she is trying to cling to Emmett's family as her own. Can you imagine if Emmett asked John and Kathryn to go on a vacation with them? Or even Regina? Now that Bay and Emmett have broken up, it would be weird.

If Bay hooks up with Travis, then I guess she will have a right to stay close to Melody. Otherwise, Bay should really let her connection to Melody go. It's not cool. Emmett doesn't mind, but he should be able to surprise his mother on spring break, without worrying about his ex girlfriend being there.

EDITED TO ADD: All that being said, I think I need to let it go.

I'm too emotional about it. Rereading my post, I realize that I'm letting the situation upset me. I think it would be healthier for Bay to let go of the Bledsoe clan, but if she feels her connections to the Bledsoes are important, Emmett doesn't care. For me and my sanity, after such a painful breakup, I'd limit my contact with Melody and Travis, but I've got years of experience Bay doesn't have yet.

I remember Bay telling Emmett's ghost that she'd get rid of him, to just give her time. The process will go more quickly and be a cleaner break, if she lets go of Melody and Travis, too, but perhaps that's not what Bay wants. If Bay is interested in a life with Travis, maybe both of them need to disassociate with Emmett and Melody.

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[ollibear]

Originally Posted by ollibear (View Post) Emmett sure would have been allowed to go. The only people from UMKC were Melody, Daphne, Travis, and Bay. The dozens of other people who were part of the mission had nothing to do with UMKC. Emmett was one of those people. He wasn't part of the UMKC group. That was true for most everyone there. What do you mean by "Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there"? Emmett says himself he had no idea that she would be there. Travis tells Bay that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Even Bay admits that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Bay was a last minute tag along and seeing as she is not a part of the Deaf program at UMKC, I don't even know how she was allowed to attend. Melody must have pulled some special strings for her, but at my school, it would not have been allowed. There are too many liability issues that come with taking people on a school sponsored trip. But to be honest, I don't even think it WAS a school-sponsored trip. Melody tells Daphne that she is going as a way to spend her spring break. Melody is taking Travis with her, as her son, not as part of the school's Deaf program. No other Deaf students are going. Daphne asks to go with Melody as a friend, again, not as part of the school program. And Daphne asks last minute. Then, Bay asks even after that. Bay had no business being there. I feel she is trying to cling to Emmett's family as her own. Can you imagine if Emmett asked John and Kathryn to go on a vacation with them? Or even Regina? Now that Bay and Emmett have broken up, it would be weird. If Bay hooks up with Travis, then I guess she will have a right to stay close to Melody. Otherwise, Bay should really let her connection to Melody go. It's not cool. Emmett doesn't mind, but he should be able to surprise his mother on spring break, without worrying about his ex girlfriend being there. EDITED TO ADD: All that being said, I think I need to let it go. I'm too emotional about it. Rereading my post, I realize that I'm letting the situation upset me. I think it would be healthier for Bay to let go of the Bledsoe clan, but if she feels her connections to the Bledsoes are important, Emmett doesn't care. For me and my sanity, after such a painful breakup, I'd limit my contact with Melody and Travis, but I've got years of experience Bay doesn't have yet. I remember Bay telling Emmett's ghost that she'd get rid of him, to just give her time. The process will go more quickly and be a cleaner break, if she lets go of Melody and Travis, too, but perhaps that's not what Bay wants. If Bay is interested in a life with Travis, maybe both of them need to disassociate with Emmett and Melody.

I did go back and re-watch all of Season 4. The trip to Mexico was definitely not a school trip. It had nothing to do with UMKC. At one point, Travis does tell Bay that he can get extra-credit in one of his classes, if he writes a paper on the experience. But that's no different than Emmett wanting to get some good footage for his class on documentaries. Neither UMKC nor USC were involved in this trip. It was Gabe's work, and he invited Melody to be a part of it. Melody asked Travis, because she sees him as a son. Daphne asked if she could tag along, because she wanted to do something meaningful. Bay heard about it, and she asked if she could tag along because of her desire to interview in person for the Frida Kahlo program.

I know Melody is like a second (well, third) mom to Daphne, but I still think it would be healthier for Bay to let her connection to Melody go, now that Bay and Emmett are definitely over. Of course, if Bay dates Travis next, that puts Bay right smack dab in the middle of Emmett's life again. At least Emmett is far away this time, unlike when Bay chose to go to Carlton.

Even Daphne seems ready and willing to let go of her friendship with Emmett, in order to be a good and loyal sister to Bay.

It seems to me that Bay should stick with her connection to Daphne, Toby, and her parents. Bay doesn't need Melody or Travis in her life, unless Bay is really in love with Travis.

[Kassiek]

I do agree that Bay should distance herself from Melody. Not completely of course because of the obvious reasons, but she shouldn't go to her for issues or view her the same way Daphne does.

I knew it wasn't a vacation, so I just assumed it was a school sponsored work experience trip for the Deaf program. That was my bad.

I guess I'm less likely to say for Bay to let go of all of the friends. This is because about a year ago I broke up with my ex and I gave him all of our mutual friends in the breakup. It was really tough on him and I honestly felt they were all closer to him so he should get them. I only found out later when I ran into his best friend that several of the friends were mad that I stopped contacting them. And now thinking about it, that wasn't fair to them. They are people that get to make up their minds as well. Granted, they didn't really try to reach out to me because they were taking care of him, but they expected me to after some time text them. And that obviously didn't happen as I did have other friends. I now feel bad about this entire situation. So I would say, it's up to each and every mutual friend to decide what they want to do with their friendships. If Travis values Bay more than Emmett, then so be it. The same goes for all of the other kids from Carlton.

[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) I do agree that Bay should distance herself from Melody. Not completely of course because of the obvious reasons, but she shouldn't go to her for issues or view her the same way Daphne does.

When I think about it, the idea that Bay could invite herself on spring break to Mexico, with her ex-boyfriend's mother, and then, become livid at the gall of her ex-boyfriend to join them, it's pretty funny. Emmett had every right to be on that trip. If he had been upset with Bay for being there, it would have been understandable. But for Bay to be upset with Emmett for joining his own mother on spring break is hilarious.

But then again, Bay's behavior that entire trip was over-the-top. I know Bay apologized to Emmett at the end. I wish she had apologized to Travis, too. It wasn't really fair how Bay used Travis to make Emmett jealous.

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) I guess I'm less likely to say for Bay to let go of all of the friends.

I don't think Bay needs to let go of any of their mutual friends. I agree with you that it is up to each and every mutual friend to decide what they want to do with their friendships. Natalie, Hilary, Mary Beth, Sharee, Matthew (if he is still a friend) should continue to be friends with both Bay and Emmett separately.

I only suggested that Bay should let go of Emmett's family members, as he should let go of hers. If Travis is truly Emmett's brother, as Melody and the writers keep proclaiming, then Travis's loyalty should be with Emmett.

It's not, though, so I don't think Travis thinks of Emmett as a true brother, either that, or Travis does not understand the concept of loyalty. I'm not sure which.

Daphne got it. She told Emmett point-blank that her loyalty will always be with her sister. Daphne even said to Emmett, "I don't care how long we've been friends."

I still remember when Bay and Emmett broke up the first time, Bay said, "He was your friend first." Back then, Bay and Daphne were not truly sisters, and Bay was being magnanimous. She wanted Daphne to maintain her friendship with Emmett.

But Bay "bought" Daphne's sisterhood, when she took the fall for her with that felony conviction. So they are true sisters now. Daphne's loyalty goes to Bay.

I guess Emmett inviting Travis into his home to live is not as big of a sacrifice as taking on a felony conviction, so Emmett hasn't quite "bought" Travis's brotherhood (and loyalty) yet.

I do feel like Emmett's mom, Melody, should choose Emmett over Bay. If Emmett didn't want Melody hanging around with Bay, because it made him feel uncomfortable, then she should respect that. Breakups can be painful. For all we know, Emmett feels betrayed by Bay. When they broke up on the beach, Emmett wasn't so sure that Bay hadn't cheated on him. He seemed to feel as though she had. Emmett might not like his family being all buddy-buddy with someone who betrayed his trust.

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) If Travis values Bay more than Emmett, then so be it.

When it gets down to brass tacks, that's what it really is. Emmett means very little to Travis. The value of their friendship and brotherhood is negligible in Travis's eyes.

I don't think that Travis appreciated Emmett opening up his home to him. I think Travis saw it as the least that Emmett could do, considering how fortunate Emmett has been all of his life.

I remember when Emmett asked Travis to cover for him with Melody, so he could sneak out to meet Mandy, Emmett said, "Cover for me with my mom, and I will owe you big time."

Travis said, "You already owe me big time."

And Emmett responded, "Who moved into whose house?"

Travis nodded his head in agreement, but I don't think Emmett's generosity ever meant all that much to Travis.

Travis has always believed that Emmett is spoiled by his parents and that Emmett is ungrateful for all that he has been given in life. Travis resents Emmett for those reasons. Travis doesn't feel a connection to Emmett, like Daphne does to Bay.

[ollibear]

I love that Sean Berdy addressed the possible Emmett Bay Travis triangle in this video, as early as Season 1:

Dish Of Salt: Is Sean Berdy Prepared To Dance At The ‘Switched At Birth’ Deaf Prom? | Access Hollywood

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Originally Posted by ollibear (View Post) I love that Sean Berdy addressed the possible Emmett Bay Travis triangle in this video, as early as Season 1: Dish Of Salt: Is Sean Berdy Prepared To Dance At The ‘Switched At Birth’ Deaf Prom? | Access Hollywood

Thanks

[ollibear]

What is everyone's favorite Bay & Travis moment?

I've been thinking that we've seen Travis falling in love with Bay, but we haven't seen Bay falling in love with Travis yet. She cares about him as a friend, but I am ready to see her fall in love with him.

It'd be nice to see Bay depend on Travis and let him into her innermost thoughts. She didn't do that with Emmett, in their second relationship. I thought that was a huge thing that was missing between them.

It would be refreshing to see Bay let Travis into her heart and soul, in all of the ways that she refused to with Emmett.

And if Bay & Travis are together in Season 5, then I really hope Bay has learned that her loyalty should be with Travis and not with an ex-boyfriend.

Bay should share her intimacy with Travis and not with other people outside of their relationship. If Bay gets into a fight with Travis, she should not run to tell an old boyfriend all about it. Also, Bay should think of Travis, before other people. A partner's needs should come first.

When Bay was in relationships with Alex, Noah, Ty, and Tank, I don't think she was really fair to them. Bay was always allowing herself to be pulled to Emmett.

And when Bay was in a relationship with Emmett, she wasn't fair to him, either, because she didn't trust him, and she leaned on Tank instead.

I want Bay & Travis to both be fair to each other. I feel like they both could be ready for that type of mature relationship. Travis made some mistakes with Mary Beth, but he does not have to repeat them with Bay. Travis seems to trust and love Bay more than he did Mary Beth anyway.

I don't think Travis's feelings have run deep for anyone, until Bay.

[Kassiek]

I've loved all the scenes of them just talking together. I felt they were so much more honest with each other than they were with other people. Even when someone was angry or sad, they still seemed honest with their feelings (except when Travis was trying not to love her for awhile).

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Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) I've loved all the scenes of them just talking together. I felt they were so much more honest with each other than they were with other people. Even when someone was angry or sad, they still seemed honest with their feelings (except when Travis was trying not to love her for awhile).

I think that is what is happened as well

[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Kassiek (View Post) I've loved all the scenes of them just talking together. I felt they were so much more honest with each other than they were with other people. Even when someone was angry or sad, they still seemed honest with their feelings (except when Travis was trying not to love her for awhile).

I have not enjoyed any of the Travis and Bay scenes, but you are right that Bay is honest with Travis, when she has never been completely honest with anyone else.

I don't think Bay has ever really cared what Travis thought, so she never had any reason to hide anything from him. It will be interesting to see if that changes when Bay falls in love with Travis.

Obviously, Bay will start caring about what Travis thinks when that happens, so will it make her to begin to hide things from him? Or will Bay stay in this mode of baring her soul to Travis?

I'm interested to find out.

On a side note, I believe the reason I have never enjoyed any of the Travis and Bay scenes is because Bay hasn't really cared about Travis in the past. If Bay begins to care about Travis, then maybe I will start to enjoy their scenes together.

So far, Bay has spent a lot of time using Travis to meet her own needs. So did Daphne. That kind of sucks for Travis, doesn't it?

[Kassiek]

Bay is a caregiver, so I think that will be one of the struggles she and Travis would have. They are both caregivers but Bay would demand that Travis lets her take care of him sometimes. That would be a big step for him I think. I also think she'll still be honest with him. She's even being more honest with herself lately.