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Episode 4.12 "Resolve"
January 24, 2007

STEPHEN COLLETTI (“LAGUNA BEACH”) GUEST STARS — With senior prom only weeks away, Haley's (Bethany Joy Galeotti) frustration over her injuries increases and Skills (Antwon Tanner) and Mouth (Lee Norris) hatch a plan to help Nathan (James Lafferty) earn money for the big dance by stripping. Brooke (Sophia Bush) betrays Rachel (Danneel Harris) in order to get closer to a new guy (guest star Stephen Colletti, “Laguna Beach”) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) resolve to be happy. Struggling with her drug addiction, Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) makes a choice that could end her life. Paul Johansson, Moira Kelly and Barry Corbin also star. Moira Kelly directed the episode written by Michelle Furtney-Goodman

L/P have a conversation where they realize that for so long their lives have bounced from one catastrophe to another, and along the way, they've become addicted to the chaos. (Like it feels weird if there's nothing bad happening because disaster has become the norm.) So in one scene, Lucas asks Peyton to help him quit being a chaos junkie.

Stephen Coletti (Laguna Beach) makes his first appearance as Chase, a transfer student at Tree Hill High. Chase is a member of the Clean Teens group that was introduced in episode 4. He immediately attracts Rachel's attention. She is puzzled why he doesn't want to sleep with her, and he explains that he is interested in more than just sex with a girl. Apparently, his former girlfriend cheated on him with his best friend. Brooke also sees him and is immediately intrigued.

Brooke does steal a calculus test and Haley later asks her about the missing keys. Haley thinks that Rachel stole them, but Brooke lies to Haley and defends Rachel.

Lucas and Peyton take Haley to a strip club for amateur night. There, Nathan, Mouth and Skillz compete for a prize that will be beneficial for N/H. Lucas does not strip. Brooke is not there, but the other cheerleaders are.

A little bit of a revival for the P/H friendship. They share some cute scenes. Haley is a little low, and when L/P arrive at the apartment, Haley is in her pajamas. Peyton says that Haley has to find her sense of adventure, and Haley comments that the "accident" has taken that away from her, and she's not her normal self. Peyton tells Haley that she has to go with her and Lucas because Haley "has to see something." (referrring to Nathan at the strip club)

Still recovering from the "accident," Haley is on crutches in episodes 11 and 12.

Brooke aces her calculus test. She thanks Rachel for what she did for her. (stolen test) Chase asks her to tutor him since he didn't do as well. Brooke is more than willing. Later, they go down to the beach and make out. Chase then takes Brooke home at the end of the evening.

Certain characters discuss the upcoming prom.

Episode 4.13 "Pictures of You"
February 07, 2007

CAN ONE DAY CHANGE EVERYTHING? — A class assignment reveals the deepest secrets and desires of Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and the students at Tree Hill High. Worried about college prospects, Skills (Antwon Tanner) turns to Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti), while Nathan (James Lafferty) wrestles with Deb’s (Barbara Alyn Woods) suicide attempt. Chase (guest star Stephen Colletti, “Laguna Beach”) learns that Brooke (Sophia Bush) cheated on her calculus exam, while nudity and drugs run rampant in the halls of the school. Paul Johansson, Moira Kelly, Lee Norris and Danneel Harris also star. Les Butler directed the episode written by Mark Schwahn.

TV Guide.com description: The kids partner up for an eye-opening school assignment that involves divulging personal information and learning how others see them

The pairings for the school project are:
Nathan/Peyton
Lucas/Glenda
Brooke/Chase
Bevin/Rachel
Skills/Haley

Glenda (3.16 and 4.04) returns and shares a scene with Lucas at school. Apparently, kids are making fun of Glenda in class and Lucas runs after her to talk with her.

Episode 4.14 "Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers"
February 14, 2007

STEPHEN COLLETTI (“LAGUNA BEACH”) GUEST STARS — Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) confronts Brooke (Sophia Bush) regarding the stolen calculus test. Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton) consider taking their relationship to the next level as Peyton and Brooke grow closer. In Deb's (Barbara Alyn Woods) absence, Nathan (James Lafferty) throws a senior party at the Scott House where a sex tape from Nathan's past surfaces. Paul Johansson, Moira Kelly, Lee Norris and Danneel Harris also star. Janice Cooke directed the episode written by William H. Brown.

It is revealed that Brooke and Nathan slept together way back when N/P were a couple. This revelation will have a ripple effect on most of the core relationships.

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"Haley slaps Rachel and confronts her about the stolen test
and how she went after Nathan earlier this season.

Peyton punches Brooke in front of everyone because she slept
with Nathan when he was dating Peyton. There's a sex tape. The extras
were told to "react" to the tape although nothing was shown at the time,
so it's feasible to believe clips of this tape will be edited into the
footage for the episode.

The party's at the Scott house, and from the way it sounded,
Nathan and Haley may be moving into the house. This can't be confirmed
as it was only implied, but it would make sense with Deb's problems.

Skills, believing that the tape is basketball highlights, starts to play the tape at the party. Then at the end of the episode, everyone sees the N/B "act."

Lucas tells Peyton that he's ALWAYS loved her, not just that he loves her. But they do not have sex for the first time contrary to what is indicated in the episode description.

Episode 4.15 "Prom Night at Hater High"

February 21, 2007

Writers: Mike Herro & Dave Strauss

There was a flashback scene filmed for the Nathan/Brooke pre-story, but it is not a sex scene.

Nathan/Brooke do remember their drunken night together.

It is revealed that Nathan and Brooke were both drunk when they slept together. Apparently, Brooke was more so than Nathan. Also, it is revealed that their tryst happened after Nathan and Peyton had just broken up for like the 100th time in their relationship.

Episode 4.16 "You Call It Madness, But I Call It Love"

Writer: Terrence Coli

No one's prom turns out the way they think it would.

Episode 4.17

Writer: Mark Schwahn

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GENERAL SPOILERS

Haley feels her baby kick for the first time in either 13 or 14.

Nathan tells Peyton that he is scared to death to be a father. I believe this happens in 13, but I am not positive.

The Nathan/Brooke tryst will not ruin the B/H friendship.

Brooke and Chase's story will be about falling in love and about all of the romantic parts of a relationship.

PsychoDerek's return will have a happy ending for Peyton and B/P. Brooke and Peyton's friendship will be stronger than ever after this crisis ends.

Lucas and Peyton will have their moments of happiness (11, 12, 13) and then drama will ensue, but not in the form of the dreaded triangle, trust me.

Sunkist is sponsoring "One Tree Hill coming to someone's home town" to do an episode. The rumor about N/H visiting her parents, unfortunately, isn't true. The studio wouldn't pay Huey Lewis and Bess Armstrong the money for their return appearance. (from Curlyhead )

"From what I've heard we will see Nathan as the calm one about the pregnancy at times. I actually got the words that he was "running around like Super Dad." They are going to be there for each other but they will have their realistic struggles." (Duck Girl at 911)

Lucas & Peyton get together before the end of the season. It's already been scripted (hoydenish).

Spoilers from Mark's interview with Kristin at E!:

At some point it will be revealed that Dan killed Keith. Keith will appear as either a ghost or an angel in one episode.

It will take a while, but Brooke and Peyton will mend their friendship.

Mouth and Rachel may have a real romantic relationship this season.

Quote from Sophia Bush to Kristen @ E.:
"We are stirring the pot! It is heavy. It is drama packed. It's going to be really exciting. And I can't reveal anything, because if I reveal one detail, the whole web will unfold!" This is what Sophia Bush tells me of the new season of One Tree Hill. But when asked whom she wants her character to be with, she cracks just a smidge. "You know, I think my character might just end up with somebody new by the end of the season. I'm hearing rumblings!"

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Casting News

Matt Barr (PsychoDerek) is returning to the show. No word yet on when his first episode is.

Stephen Coletti (Chase) will definitely be in episodes 12-15. It has not been detemined if he is appearing in any episodes post-15.

Elisabeth Harnois (Shelly, 4.04) will be returning for three episodes: 12, 13 and 14.

JJ Redick is not making any appearances on OTH as of 1/9/07. We will inform you if the show makes a deal with him.

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TV Guide interview with Mark Schwahn on January 17, right before episode 4.11

TVGuide.com: The show definitely left off on a different note before the holidays, when deceased Keith (Craig Sheffer) returned to enlighten Lucas. What made you do that sort of episode?

Mark Schwahn: We usually go into our hiatuses with big cliff-hangers, but as you know, the week before had all the cliff-hangers — the big car accident with Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti), and Lucas' heart attack. Normally that's where we would leave the audience, but this is our fourth season, and I just felt like we didn't have an opportunity to play Christmas because [it's] actually spring in the lives of the kids in Tree Hill. Around the holidays, people miss their loved ones, and I wanted to write an episode that told those people it was going to be OK. A couple of people said, "Why is It's a Wonderful Life on the TV in the hospital if it's spring?" I wanted to remind the audience and the people of Tree Hill that it is a wonderful life.

TVGuide.com: And then at the end we see Lucas open his eyes, so we know he's awake. The main question I was left with was whether he'd remember that he had that experience.

Schwahn: His journey, certainly in the next handful of episodes, is in coming to terms with what he saw. When you're visited by a dead uncle while you're unconscious, do you act on the things you saw? Do you believe them?

TVGuide.com: But at the same time, Nathan (James Lafferty) has been having visions, trying to remember what happened at the bridge a while back. Will he and Lucas bond over seeing Keith?

Schwahn: We use Peyton (Hilarie Burton) as more of a conduit for Lucas to cycle through all of these things, because Peyton has had so much loss in her life. And it was her who said to Nathan — when he told her at Rachel's house party that he had seen Keith — "Do you not believe it could happen, or do you not believe it could happen to you?" If anybody had a stake in believing that you could see people you have lost, it would be Peyton. It's a very smart instinct to bring Nathan and Lucas together over this, but Lucas shared a kiss and confessed his feelings for Peyton. Now what are they going to be?

TVGuide.com: Right, is it going to make them stronger together?

Schwahn: Well, I think it has the opportunity to. They're two kids that carry around the weight of the world quite a bit. Can they agree together to let go of that weight? The theme for Lucas and Peyton is, "How do you learn to be happy when you've spent so much time carrying grief around? Do you feel guilty for being happy? Is it OK to let it go, especially when you're 17?" Does he have a responsibility to act on the things that he saw, and should he take them to Karen (Moira Kelly), open up those wounds for her again, based on, what, a dream?

TVGuide.com: As far as Nathan and Haley go, I thought for a minute that you might have her lose the baby because of the car accident. Was that ever a consideration?

Schwahn: I love Nathan and Haley, and most of our audience does as well. If we let them be happy, they'd probably be bored, but I never considered having her lose the baby. She would be losing it because of the decisions and mistakes that Nathan had made, and I just didn't feel like they could recover from that.

TVGuide.com: This week, Haley discovers Nathan's dealings with Daunte, which caused the accident. Is that going to break them apart?

Schwahn: In a refreshing turn for Tree Hill, he's going to tell her the truth! [Laughs] She's going to struggle with his deception — not to the degree that our misdirected promo department will lead you to believe — but she certainly has issues with his decision-making. It's a pretty satisfying arc for them. Ultimately, I think that Nathan and Haley, as a couple, can weather almost any storm.

TVGuide.com: And meanwhile, Dan (Paul Johansson) is facing murder charges, sitting pretty in jail after taking the blame from Nathan. Is he finally going to be punished for a lifetime of cruelty, even if this particular accident wasn't his fault?

Schwahn: Probably not. [Laughs] Here's what's really interesting: He may flip out of this one. It may be because he's pulling strings, it may not be. I feel that he took the fall for Nathan because he's healing himself for murdering his brother. If he is set free, that may be the worst thing to happen to Dan.

TVGuide.com: That's true. He's really haunted.

Schwahn: He's very haunted, and it's almost like he's trying to punish himself without saying, "I murdered my brother," because he knows he could never recover from that. If set free, it's almost like he's in his own personal prison.

TVGuide.com: I thought the truth about Dan killing Keith might come out when Lucas revisited the high-school shooting scene. Is that secret going to come out, or what?

Schwahn: That secret will come out.

TVGuide.com: This season?

Schwahn: Yes, this season. I don't know if it will come out before the next hiatus, though.

TVGuide.com: It's so frustrating to watch!

Schwahn: It's a delicate balance. How long do you drag it out? Is there a point where the audience is simply frustrated, or are they still intrigued and putting the pieces together? There is a person who knows the truth and [that person] will turn up the heat. Increasingly, Dan will find that his world is shrinking in terms of the deceit he carries around.

TVGuide.com: If Dan gets out of jail, will we see more of him getting closer to Karen? It's kind of creepy that he's been inching his way back into her life while she's pregnant with his dead brother's baby.

Schwahn: I know, it is creepy, because the audience knows the truth. But I really don't suffer Karen for the choices she's making, because she is in a vulnerable position and she doesn't have many people to turn to. Deb's pill addiction is taking her out of the friendship loop, and Karen finds herself isolated with another pregnancy, similar to where she was 17 years ago — and the guy who abandoned her then is available to her [now] emotionally.

TVGuide.com: Are we going to come full circle here?

Schwahn: What I'm compelled by is [the fact that] as they grow closer, the truth about Dan murdering Keith grows closer as well, and that's going to lead to some explosive things.

TVGuide.com: Is Keith going to visit the Tree Hill gang again?

Schwahn: He might. I actually have a scenario where we would see Keith again. I don't know if we're going to do it, but there's a possibility.

TVGuide.com: Is the Brooke/Peyton/Lucas triangle going to continue, or will Brooke (Sophia Bush) have a separate story line?

Schwahn: Brooke's story line right now is that she's failing calculus and she's going to decide not to cheat but to study. She's going to learn, in her words, that she's "Brooke smart" and not book smart, at which point she and Rachel are going to set their sights on stealing the calculus exams. That story line intersects with Shelly (Elisabeth Harnois), the leader of Clean Teens, who we met earlier in the year. There's a new member of Clean Teens, Chase, played by Stephen Coletti from Laguna Beach, and Brooke's going to take an interest in him. At that point, we'll find out how dedicated he is to a life of abstinence. [Laughs] There is a huge fan base dedicated to Brooke and Lucas, and sometimes [those people] feel a bit betrayed, just as the fan base dedicated to Peyton and Lucas felt betrayed. That tells me that we've done things correctly — that's the strength of a love triangle. Peyton spent a really authentic time with Jake, and I think that Brooke could spend a really authentic time with another character, which doesn't necessarily mean she won't find her way back to Lucas or he won't find his way to her.

TVGuide.com: Do you know if the show will be on next season?

Schwahn: No, I don't, and if you can find out for me.... [Laughs] I've talked about jumping the show ahead five years and skipping college if we come back next season. It's unprecedented and it's never been done, and I think it would be a really compelling journey to take. It doesn't mean we wouldn't go back and dedicate entire episodes and substantial moments to nights in college that affected where they are now.

TVGuide.com: I think I would want to see that!

Schwahn: Well, I would want to write it. When most of these shows go to college, it's hard to create the energy and enthusiasm for their journeys, but as a storyteller, there's such a sense of excitement to tell those stories. I think it would reinvigorate the show in a really good way, so hopefully the CW will see the merits in it.

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Thank you to Showfax, Fanbolt, OTH Writers 911(esp. Steph and Cathy), The CW.com, Futon Critic, Mr. Vidiot, Amanda, Micfall, Drops of Jupiter, Susan XG, and many anonymous sources who contribute to this thread during the season.

catc20

Promo Pics and Links

Episode 4.13. "Pictures of You"

"Pictures of You"-- As a class assignment, the students are paired off and must learn things about each other they never knew in order to answer the question: Can spending 50 minutes with someone change your perception of that person?


(Thanks to micfall)
The Clean Teens discover Rachel is using her so called 'virgin' status to actually get sex, so they kick her out of the club, but Brooke (Sophia Bush) decides to stay after she becomes smitten with Chase (Stephen Colletti ), who is a committed Clean Teen.

riot

Thanks for the new thread! Any new spoilers? That would give us something other to talk about instead of debating who has the right to slap who.

~annie~

Thanks for the new thread!

Okay, I'm sorry, Summer. For the most part, I respect your posts and see your point, but not this time. I just feel you're reaching too far.

Regardless of whether or not Nathan had jumped in, their wedding day would have been ruined. They would have missed their honeymoon and both Cooper and Rachel would have died, and then Nathan would have had to live with the idea that he could have done something for the rest of his life.

And no one is responsible for Rachel's actions but Rachel. Those examples of who else to blame... no, I'm not going to blame Nathan almost dying on the fact that he's a good person and loves his uncle. Cooper may have gotten her hopes up, but he was pretty damn reasonable in the car, explaining things to her, and she is still the one that pulled on the wheel. And that last one? Rachel, invited or not, was the least of her concerns on her wedding day, and since I believe it was Brooke that invited her, I doubt Haley would have given her a second thought. Was she supposed to stop the ceremony when she saw Rachel, and ask her to leave?

No one is responsible for Rachel's actions but Rachel, and it doesn't matter that Rachel didn't mean for the limo to go over the bridge. The base of it all is still that she got wasted and caused that chain of reactions. Her actions hurt a lot of people, and intentional or not, she is the one to blame.

Haley has a right to her anger as Rachel has been nothing but this huge negative force in her life. I won't say that Haley is right to slap her, but I'll won't condemn her for this either. Sometimes people do things that aren't right. It makes them human. So, I'm sorry. Maybe its better to just agree to disagree, but I won't condemn her and I will enjoy watching it happen.

Indian Summer

I agree their wedding day was ruined, but I don't think you can blame that entirely on Rachel. Not only that, but that was a while ago. If Haley was going to react to that and slap Rachel, it's way too late for that, just like it is for her to go bringing up what happened with Nathan waaaay earlier in the season.

The issue was never the ceremony but the reception. The girl was clearly upset, and clearly drinking too much. I'm not saying it's actually Haley's fault for not kicking her out, but just pointing out that there were many things that could've affected the outcome of that day and actions all involved parties could've taken to prevent it.

I'm also not saying you should actually blame Nathan for almost dying. The point is, you can't blame someone because another person has a heart and a conscience, and risks their lives to save the lives of others. That's a personal decision, and one that comes at great sacrifice. Nathan knew before jumping into that water that it was dangerous, and in that split second, he weighed the risks with the outcome and decided it was worth it. It's greatly taking away from Nathan's courage and strength of character to try to write off him risking his life for another's as a screwup on someone else's part.

Once again, I'm not condemning Haley. I'm disappointed in her actions, sure, but condemning her over one action is sort of harsh. I'm just pointing out that it's never justified, regardless of whether or not it's "understandable." An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind, after all.

catc20

Exodus 21:23-27


And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


I just felt like giving the whole quote when it was originally spoken and not twisted.

rose parade

Ultimately the blame can be placed on the driver of the limo who was supposed to be doing his job and taking care of his limos.

rock air guitar

I always liked that verse

SophiaBushFan

Yeahhh so...I really hope we get more (good) spoilers soon

Indian Summer

...Actually, I was referencing Hammurabi's Code, which predates Exodus by about 400 years.

"If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out."

There's actually a really long list of some pretty interesting punishments involved if you're bored.

alwaysx3_&forever

I Love the title !!its soo funny ...thanks for the new thread ...no new spoilers ?....well did anyone find out when everything will be back to normal form n/b sex tape ?

Joy&&Soph

I don't understand why this discussion has gone on so long.

Haley slaps Rachel. So what? Brooke has slapped people. Peyton has slapped people. If my memory serves me correct, there weren't hours of long discussion on whether or not those slaps were justified. It's not like this is OOC for Haley. Sure, she doesn't go around getting into fights with people, but it's not like she hasn't shown she can't get pushed over the edge.

catc20

Yes and I'm at fault to for egging it on but let's all move on, especially since only two or three people actually have a problem with it. Most think it is justified and a couple don't end of story. No one will ever change anyone's mind.

For the majority who look forward to it, we can all cheer over the animation that I'm sure we'll play on the NH thread a billion times. LOL

And the characters get over the N//B crap fast. There really was no point it seems at all(just lame shock value and an attempt to put PB on equal footing) and by prom I think it's pretty much over and done with, especially when Psycho Derek comes back to town.

Indian Summer

I love the idea that it's not worth discussing because "the majority's okay with it." Totally against the thread rules, but whatever.

As for a different topic...

You make a good point about this being an attempt to put Peyton & Brooke on equal footing, and I don't think I've actually seen any objections to this belief... so do you guys think it actually will put them on equal footing, or are people going to "see through it?"

~annie~

Okay, well first, as its been pointed out by many, Haley is a pretty mature chick. The fact that it happened a couple of months ago does not mean that it doesn't still bug her. What girl gets over the fact that her wedding was ruined? Its been a culmination of things that Rachel has done, starting with the wedding, moving on to the blatent passes at her husband, then to the stolen key and the continued comments about Nathan. Its not too late, its just the Rachel has finally pushed her past her breaking point.

And I'm sorry, but you can blame it on Rachel. She is the one responsible for her alcohol in take, she is the one responsible for getting up and making that inappropriate speech, she is the one responsible for stealing the limo, and she is the one responsible for freaking out and grabbing the wheel of the limo, sending it over the bridge. Nobody held a gun to her head and made her do those things, and those are all of the events that went into ruining the wedding, and every last one of them were Rachel's choices.

As for Nathan's choice to jump in the river, it was that or let his uncle die. Either way, Rachel's actions put Nathan in a situation where he could not win.


ETA: New topic: I'll have to actually see it to decide if I think it puts them on equal footing. It has the potentional to make Brooke look worse if they decide to make it really hurt Peyton for the fact that Brooke has put her through so much hell for something she essentially did herself. It depends on how much they paint Peyton the victim.