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Jackie ღ Hyde #386: Because "Someday, we're gonna get married!" -Jackie
 Welcome To The Jackie♥Hyde Appreciation Thread "Jackie and Hyde, the perfect example of Opposites Attract." He's aloof. The list goes on ...  Despite those differences, though, they have what it takes to make it work. Jackie needs an anchor to pull her back to earth when she gets carried away; Hyde needs someone to care for. They were both abandoned by their parents and never really experienced true love. They don't make the perfect couple, but that's just what makes it even more appealing. The chemistry's undeniable and it's always nice to see the softer side of a self-proclaimed 'badass'. They may seem 'creepy and unnatural' to their friends, but to us they seem just ideal for one another." -Originally written byLucii- ________________________________ 
 Banner by simplybatty ________________________________ The Zen Ship List; Honorary Shipper's List; ________________________________ Early Moments of Zen; Jackie: You know, this whole experience has taught me that I don't need Michael to go to the Prom. I can go with anyone, even you. Thanks.
Hyde & Jackie Related Links;  Only A FEW Of The Great Zen FanVids That Have Been Made;
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{More To Come ...} [RIGHT][INDENT][INDENT]Jackie/Hyde FanFics; The Best of ZenFic: Part one The Best of ZenFic: Part two The Best of ZenFic: Part three The Best of ZenFic: Part Four[ ____________________________________________________________________ Danny Masterson and Mila Kunis  A Match Made In Our Heaven ______________________________ Danny Masterson;
Mila Kunis; ______________________________ Pic Of The Moment; Suggested Thread Titles; _________________________________ THE ZEN SHOP For All Of Your Zen Shopping Needs Stuff You'll Need To Be A Zennie! Post Away! Jackie and Hyde Don't Bite Unless You Want Them To! This thread is a work in progress! Thanks to elena_hepburn@LJ for all the Zennie Pic Spam. __________________
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From the other thread...
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 As hot as JH are, they had been together too long for me to believe that that was the only perk in the their relationship. It's just that Fez is a perv...Jackie: Oh Fez you should've been there. Fez: Several times I was. AND... Fez: Oh who am I kidding?! I can watch all night! Quote:
 And then he'd try to deny it was true but he wouldn't be able to stop thinking about it, which would only lead him to give into his feelings for her.  It's inevitable, he was just going to fall in love with Jackie.Quote:
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 What's sad is Hyde had such a low opinion of himself that he was only ever expecting to be left alone in the end. He needed to recall Jackie's words "Am I even worthy of love? Well you are Steven. You are."  Quote:
So trying to suggest, once the stripper shows up  that JH meant nothing to each other is just a giant lie. I'm incapable of taking anything that happened after the stripper showed up seriously. Because of this, avoiding S8 doesn't even feel like denial. It also doesn't ruin my enjoyment of watching JH from the other seasons because S8 literally is a lie.__________________
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Without Fez, they may have gotten back together -- if they could get over their own stubbornness. They needed freakin' Kelso to bring them together before... They both struggle with not wanting the other person to think s/he has the upper hand. Quote:
I think Hyde would have been really freaked out had he seen his future with Jackie. He would have denied, denied, denied. And would have been all jumpy around her from then on. And then, as he watched her with Kelso, he'd probably get more and more pissed off -- and acted out on Kelso -- and then he'd realize that he had feelings for Jackie. And what happened next would've been interesting... Quote:
I really don't like S4 where Jackie/Kelso are concerned. It feels like an empty hallway.  I don't know if that image makes sense, but it's, like, lonely and isolated and *shudder* 'cause they're not emotionally connected, really. And that Kelso got so worked up over Jackie kissing the cheese guy Seriously, Kelso, you had sex zillions of times with Laurie (and some girls on the side). And Jackie kissed one guy. Please. Well, at least it led to them breaking up for good.  Quote:
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Yep, Honestly the last episode i view as CANON is 7.22
That's the episode where Hyde get's promoted and Jackie yells out "I Own A Record Store" and then Hyde says "No, I own a Record Store." Then WB goes "I own a record store". Then Jackie yells out "I Own 1/3 Of A Record Store". |
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Hey did you guys know Family Guy put out an offer to the cast of T7S (Danny, Laura, Ashton, Topher and Wilmer) to do a real 360 scene with Mila and only Danny said yes? The others turned it down. Oh well, it would have been fun if they had gone ahead with just Danny and Mila.
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Wow, how long ago was this? That's so lame the others didn't want to do it.
 Why wouldn't they? Or maybe it's just lame FG decided not to go ahead with just Danny and Mila, I would've liked that even more. Quote:
 I have this thread under my subscribed threads, just so it's easy to find, and I must've missed when you responded. But that's a really good point you make. It was easier for them, more so Jackie, to admit how they felt about the other one when they weren't actually facing each other. And I bet Fez being there had something to do with it too. Like when Kelso helped them get back together, Hyde wouldn't even admit he wanted to be with Jackie until he left.Quote:
I think we were supposed to initially see it as random but once we really think about it, we'd see that it was planned for a while.Quote:
 They were both too selfish in the relationship to give each other what they needed and it was never going to change. I don't know how the season renewal thing worked for T7S but I think the writers did have some idea of where they wanted their characters to go, since it was a few seasons into it and the ratings, I think, were showing consistency. Whereas S1, I swear I can just tell , it was like they were trying to experiment more with the characters to see what would happen, since it was just starting out. But once they got a feel for it, I think they knew where they'd like their characters to eventually go.Quote:
And they were losing Topher and Ashton anyway, the ratings had even been falling with them still there, so the LAST thing they should've been doing is alienating even more fans.  Quote:
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EDIT - Here's the audio clip: Commentary clip | Audio.isg.si I *think* Mila says something about them nearly getting a third person but someone talks over her. Last edited by I'm Not Dead; 04-28-2010 at 01:28 PM |
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Thanks for sharing that, Irishghost! That's really interesting -- and also a shame that they didn't do it.
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You'd think she knew this about him and would recognize his defense mechanisms and all that after having been with him for 2 years (in our time -- 3 Christmases in T7S-time, right? ) She should've known how to communicate with him in a way *he* would respond to. Kitty did teach her something about this (with the ice cream/magazine, etc.) Jackie could have approached Hyde differently -- and she might've gotten a result more to her liking. Quote:
I like those S4 touches/looks. I think it's just that Jackie and Hyde's personalities are so different (superficially) -- and early!Jackie was o so superficial. Her experience with Kelso cheating on her with Laurie snapped her out of her all-encompassing, unrealistic romantic dreamworld (although she remained a romantic). And then her S2-S3 experiences with Hyde matured her even more. Not only did he teach her zen -- but I also believe their early time together helped to ground her more. And, of course, her father cutting her off for going back to Kelso had something to do with it, too. But she had to grow/mature a bit more before she and Hyde would really work. Quote:
Of course, then there's that anomalous and horrible S4 episode "Hyde Gets the Girl"  I really hate that one. The writers were totally gonna go there and change Hyde and weaken him with that chick -- and thank goodness they decided not to. There's a way to show his vulnerability without making Hyde not-Hyde. Quote:
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I would think, when they're probably all already set for life, that it wouldn't matter how much they were offered if it meant working with Mila, someone I thought they considered a close friend, as well as each other again. I love that the writers said that though. And at least Danny values his friendship with Mila more than money. Quote:
Not just with JH but in general, S7 suffered from recycled storylines because of the character regression it caused. Actually, I think Eric got it worst there.  Quote:
JH had a very mature, adult relationship and when the show first started, neither character was all that mature. You're absolutely right that they needed to get to know each other beyond the cheerleader and the burnout stereotypes in order to have a shot at working. And of course once they got together, they really helped each other outgrow those stereotypes. They really brought out the more human-sides of each other. Quote:
Another thing I've wondered about with that episode was when they go into the flashback of JK playing Doctor. I don't know if it was scripted or what but right before we see the flashback, the background in the classroom shows Hyde walking away from the group. Once the Doctor flashback is over, Hyde comes back. Makes me wonder why he didn't want to be around for that story... I should say, this observation comes with seeing the episode so many times. Quote:
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Nice to see you around again Irishghost.
 I remember when this thread used to be bumping. Hopefully it get's back to that. I would comment on some of the things that Lisa and Johanna are discussing but i would start to cry, I just can't do it anymore. I can't talk about the end of S7 and all of S8 again and not break down crying. I have discussed the similar things you mentioned many times in these threads in the past. I can't do it again.  Anyway, Let's end on a happier note.  ♥ ♥ ♥ Jackie Burkhart and Steven Hyde Forever! ♥ ♥ ♥ I love how Hyde grabs her hand here.  The following are from one of the best T7S episodes. Def in my Top 5.      No doubt in my mind these two ended up together forever married with a family. If the photo's don't prove then the following quote does. Quote:
Game, set, match. J/H Forever! Last edited by slicknickshady; 04-29-2010 at 11:42 PM |
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Aww, Nick!
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I keep saying it, but by S7 the writers were obviously burnt out. You know what would've been awesome, Jo? If you and I could use Doc Brown's DeLorean to go back in time and somehow become the two head writers for T7S's season 8. That would be freakin' awesome! Together, I think we would be able to come up with just the right amount of conflict for J/H, be able to reconcile them the right way. And we could fix Eric and Donna -- even without Topher there. And maybe we could turn Fez back into S1 Fez somehow... Okay... maybe not. But you would make a great collaboration partner, I think, on anything.Wait, there is no Doc Brown in real life? No flux capacitor?  Damn.Quote:
It kinda seems like Hyde saw Jackie as an annoying little sister who tagged around -- until JBH. I'm actually surprised her kissed her. Why did he go for it? He must have -- must have -- unconsciously been building feelings for her during her stalker phase. He probably didn't realize it until he was in the middle of kissing her. I wanna know what shifted for him when they were sitting on that car together to make him even consider Jackie *that way*.As for Jackie, I think there's definitely room to interpret her "Huh. I didn't feel anything" as "I didn't feel what I expected to feel". When she kissed him, she probably expected to see wedding bells and white doves and all that romantic fantasy crap she always projected onto Kelso. But maybe this was the first time she kissed someone and was actually emotionally present. Yeah, it contradicts the whole "I didn't feel anything" -- but she probably wasn't mature enough to realize the difference between true emotion and La-La Land. Just imagine that Jackie's brain is usually like a herd of Edward Cullen/Robert Pattison fangirls. In comparison to the screaming and the frenzy, tenderness and compassion are barely audible. So they couldn't even consciously register in that moment -- although Jackie clearly was responding to this part of Hyde the whole time or else she wouldn't have kept going to him since "Ski Cabin" in season 1. While kissing, though, other senses are at work. The only part that got through to Jackie was the "hotness" 'cause that she recognized. The rest, not so much. Not yet. Not until S5. How's that? Quote:
I like it! I have to say, though, that young!Kelso's "I *am* a doctor" always disturbs me. Quote:
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 Regardless, we would've been such awesome head writers. Just by maintaining consistency, that in itself would've been a vast improvement from what actually came out of S8.Quote:
But I think a lot of Hyde's early feelings for Jackie were unconscious. She always managed to get under his skin, he always gave in to comforting her, and he might not have understood why. I kind of think his annoyance for her was really annoyance at himself for always giving into her when he was supposed to "hate" her. And I agree with your Jackie assessment. It's like Hyde said earlier in JBH, "She's kind of young and has only had one boyfriend." Admittedly in her stalker phase, while I still thought it was cute, she did kind of have a deluded sense of who Hyde was. Obviously she knew him but I think she was probably going by her experience with Kelso, and her expectations of a fairytale romance that she had with him. I also think she might have been scared of the actual possibility of being with someone other than Kelso. She knew what to expect from him but I think it dawned on her, when her dream of kissing Hyde turned into a reality, that being with Hyde would be new territory for her. I think the Jackie of S3 wasn't ready to be with Hyde yet, the way the Jackie of S5 was.Quote:
But it's kind of surprising she kept going to Hyde after the Ski Cabin incident just because he ended up making her cry worse. Some kind of feelings towards him, and I don't necessarily mean romantic, must've been stirring in her that she decided to keep going back to him. It was probably an unconscious thing for a while though. Or maybe Hyde's shoulder was just comfortable. Quote:
I'll say good luck with the S8 stuff. I'm all for parody, there's so much to rip on, but I hope you don't torture yourself by watching the episodes just so you know exactly how you want to parody it. But I'd love to see Jackie kill the stripper.  That should've actually happened. She beat up Laurie after all. She could take the stripper. __________________
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I would have loved to see Jackie kill the Stripper.
Of course have i would have wanted Sam to start a fight with her so it would be seen as self defense so Jackie wouldn't get in trouble. |
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