The Borgias - Cesare & Lucrezia #15: It seems only a Borgia can love a Borgia ~ Lucrezia

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 01-30-2013, 12:42 PM

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1. Any ship with its own love theme screams "True Love"
2. No couple can make nose-bumping a major turn-on
3. Because he only smiles when he's with her
4. Because even dinner knives ship them
5. Because he constantly misses her
6. Because if anything happens to her, he'd die
7. Because if it's up to him, she'll never marry
8. Because they're like Abelard and Heloise
9. Because any other couple on the show who think they're like Abelard and Heloise are F.A.K.E.
10. Because she'll never love a husband like she loves him
11. Because "I should keep you here in chains. I suspect you would be happier." And so would we!
12. Because she misses his hands and he misses her face.
13. Because he'll never forgive her scumbag husband.
14. Because killing her husband is easy and Cesare doesn't want easy.
15. Because he's the first person in the family to hold her baby.
16. Because she doesn't need her baby-daddy when Cesare is around
17. Because he was pacing like a true father-to-be when she went into labor
18. Because she'll always have him
19. Because even history ships them. They're so canon.
20. Because he carried her over the threshold on her wedding night
21. Because they're the ideal lovers.

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My Love | My Heart | Sweet Lavina | Flames | Ships | You're In My Veins | Under The Sheets

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The Ideal - Recommendations on tumblr
Dark Paradise - A (hopefully) Comprehsive Borgias Fanfiction List

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Cesare ♥ Lucrezia on tumblr
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"If you read the history, you find these two, this brother and sister, were utterly fascinated by each other. . . ." -- Neil Jordan, TVGuide.ca
". . . it's a story about two people who are absolutely enraptured with each other." -- Neil Jordan, TVGuide.ca
"I kind of want them to be almost the ideal lovers if they were not brother and sister . . . it's so protective as to being almost dangerous." (from Showtime clip, "Justified")
"I think we chose to play pure love." -- Francois Arnaud, nymag.com
"I think Holliday [Grainger, who plays Lucrezia] and I had a really strong chemistry from the start, and I just really enjoy working with her." -- Francois Arnaud, nymag.com
"There is a deep love and affection...They always have their hands in each other’s faces, but it is innocent.” -- Francois Arnaud, antcomic.com
"You must promise you'll be gentle, for this is love, not war, we are engaging in, my dear brother." -- Lucrezia, The Family
"...you, my dear sister, may teach me more about love and loyalty than I have learned so far..." -- Cesare, The Family
Though in every other instance [Cesare] was the aggressor, with [Lucrezia] - even here- he seemed under her power. -- The Family
"I can't imagine loving anyone as I love you in this moment." Lucrezia, The Family
"Come," [Cesare] said, drawing [Lucrezia] close. "I need you now. For you are what is real in my life." -- The Family
"It is not the pain of your kisses you see," she said. "They are the tears of my longing for you." -- Lucrezia, The Family
C: "To bed him is not the joy it is with me?" L: "My dear love, it is the difference between heaven and hell for me." -- The Family
"There will never be anyone like you for me, for you were my first love." -- Lucrezia to Cesare, The Family
"It was with you I first shared the secrets of my body, as well as the secrets of my heart and the most intimate thoughts of my mind." -- L to C, The Family
Suddenly the sweet face of his sister appeared, and he saw it as a sign, a symbol of their love. -- The Family
Her face had been the vision he'd followed into his victories. -- The Family
"I wish no barrier between us, my brother, my lover, my friend." -- Lucrezia, The Family
"...from this night on, all that is left of my passion will rest with you." -- L to C, The Family
"You must live for me... For what other reason should I live?" -- C to L, The Family
L: "Don't you love God, Cesare?" C: "More than I love you?" -- The Poisoned Chalice
L: "And when will I marry?" C: "Never, if I can help it." -- The Poisoned Chalice
"If anything happened to her... I'd die." -- Cesare, The Poisoned Chalice
L: "I think I shall never have another friend like him." C: "You'll always have me." -- The Moor
"If you hate beauty, dear sis, you must hate yourself." -- Cesare, The French King
L: "I've missed those hands." C: "And I've missed that face." -- Nessuno

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~Quotes~

Lucrezia: "Don't hate me."
Cesare: "I regret many feelings towards you, hate is not one of them."

Cesare: "The whole world whispers, you and I are lovers. Should we prove them right?"

Lucrezia: "I want to die, brother."
Cesare: "Will you not talk like that, please!"

Cesare: "Can I hold him?"
Lucrezia: "And wake him? That would be cruelty indeed."
Cesare: "I must hold you then."

Lucrezia: "But we never before had secrets between us."
Cesare: "Some things are better left unsaid."
Lucrezia: "So I must divine then, the dark cloud on my brother's soul."

Cesare: "You are criminally well informed, sis. But I trust your soul is still of the purest white."

Lucrezia: "You will be a handsome Cardinal. Let me hug you!"

Cesare: "Lucrezia, sister, share my fortune and my fate. And remember that wherever I may be, a part of me will always be yours."
Lucrezia: "As I also belong to you, brother."

Lucrezia: "No one here loves me as I was loved by you. I've tried everything, Cesare. No one wants to hear our name."

Lucrezia: "My soul dies when I imagine never seeing you again."

Cesare: "Lucrezia, Lucia, forgive me. All will be well if you forgive me. But you must live, sweet sister, live. We are one blood, one heart, one spirit."
Lucrezia: "Cesare, love me!"
Cesare: "For all eternity.

Cesare: "Cesare Borgia and Lucrezia, we shall be remembered. Be faithful only to me not to him, the unholy father who prays to a nameless god. You shall have the world, not the hereafter. And your name eternal."
Lucrezia: "I shall be duchess of Ferrarra, it's enough for me."
Cesare: "In name but nothing more."
Lucrezia: "In name and nothing more."

Cesare: "I promised you a heart, sister."
Lucrezia: "Whose? Your own?"

Lucrezia: "What does it say of us, brother, that you promise me this and I would accept?"

Lucrezia: "Cesare? I would ask you something.”
Cesare: “Then ask and it is yours.”
Lucrezia: “I would ask you to marry me.”
Cesare: “As you wish. My word is my word. We shall run away. Change our names, perhaps. Live out our days in some small fishing village by the coast. where no one will ever guess who we once were.”
Lucrezia: "To Alfonso."
Cesare: "Yes, yes, I know."

Cesare: "My love for my sister outweighs my grief for my brother."

Cesare: "Are you a shepherd of souls now?
Lucrezia: "And I see before me a lost sheep."
Cesare: "Utterly lost, my love."
Lucrezia: "Then, by hook or by crook I shall save you. You may kiss my ring!"

Cesare: "Don't I know how to organize a party for my sister?"
Lucrezia: "Thank you, Cesare!"
Cesare: "And I think I've done well. Look. I'm the one who chose the guests."
Lucrezia: "They're all courtesans."
Cesare: "Did you desire monks and nuns?"
Lucrezia: "Oh, no! No formalities!"

Lucrezia: "So then, I shall become a nun. For I shall never love a husband as I love you, Cesare."

* a family scene with Lucrezia, Cesare and the baby
* a dance laden with sexual tension
* a kiss on the lips
* secret whispers and clandestine trysts noticed by others
* rumors of incest spreading just to see Cesare and Lucrezia reactions
* a fight between them ending in a scene with lots of emotional tension
* angsty scene with the both of them crying
* jealous Lucrezia and jealous Cesare
* Cesare defending Lucrezia's honour, even what he is doing is mostly lying because something did happen. And vice versa.
* more reactions on how others perceive the relationship, e.g. Juan
* Cesare helping Lucrezia take care of the baby
* Lucrezia going after someone to protect Cesare
* Cesare killing someone because of his feelings for Lucrezia
* Lucrezia wishing the baby was Cesare's
* Lucrezia sitting on Cesare's lap at some official function
* C&L riding out to the forest, away from prying eyes
* C&L admitting their love and feelings for each other in a dramatic scene
* C&L talking further about their runaway plan, this time more serious. Calling each other husband/wife, talking about having children and what they would look like etc.
* Cesare standing silenty in the door opening, watching Lucrezia brushing her hair and holding is breath when he sees a bear shoulder.
* Cesare receiving a hairlock from Lucrezia.
* Cesare watching over a dying Lucrezia, after she lost her baby, begging her not to leave him (sobbing). Otherwise he doesn't want to live and everything he does will be useless without her.
* Lucrezia performing a seductive dance, Cesare is watching her while new feelings arouse in him. Perhaps at the famous chestnut banquet?
* Lucrezia seeing Cesare masked
* Lucrezia watching Cesare taking a bath (inside or outside)
* Lucrezia telling Cesare how handsome he is, while stroking his facial features with her finger.
* Lucrezia asking Cesare to give her a child, so she'll always have him near (a bit silly, but one can only dream).
* And of course: a long romantic kiss and a steamy bedscene!!!
* Lucrezia getting drunk after Alfonso's murder and confessing her conflicting feelings to Cesare

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#1 Lucrezia: "I've missed those hands." - Cesare: "And I've missed that face."
#2 Lucrezia: "And if my husband proves ungallant?" - Cesare: "I shall cut out his heart with a dinner knife and serve it to you."
#3 Cesare: "I beg you not to worry about it, sis. I will find a solution, I swear!"
#4 Lucrezia: "Don't you love God, Cesare?" - Cesare: "More than I love you?"
#5 Cesare lays Lucrezia on her bed and kisses her cheek at her wedding night.

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**BL.Arinna_1982** · 01-30-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DGSAFDMD (View Post)

I don't want her to turn to Cesare because Alfonso doesn't want her.. he obviously wants her, they have sex in the first episodes.. so I am hoping that she says that for Cesare, maybe he says something about him and that's how she replies to it? I just hope this makes sense, and that these scenes are from eps 3-4 and something believable happens with Lucrezia to make her act like this.

Arinna, I remember that scene and the more I think about it, the more I believe The Borgias Alfonso will be similar in a certain extent to Los Borgias Alfonso.. but I think we didn't get to see Los Borgia Alfonso closer to Lucrezia, we only saw the jealousy side.. so I am sure Sebastian's Alfonso will be sweeter and tender with Lucrezia but still very suspicious and jealous.

I'm bringing this here from the last thread.

I'm sure we're gonna see a lot more of Alfonso in The Borgias, May.

At least I hope that we're gonna see more from him.

**PhoenixRising** · 01-30-2013, 01:40 PM

Thanks for the new thread, Arinna!

OMG, I love the title!

It's so appropriate!

sprezzatura · 01-30-2013, 04:35 PM

I changed my tumblr url to giveintosin in relation to the promo. I regret nothing.

DGSAFDMD · 01-30-2013, 04:41 PM

You rock! Do I follow you on tumblr yet? ^ my URL will forever be the same one, I am very sorry but that's how people identify me so...

sprezzatura · 01-30-2013, 05:02 PM

Yep you do. I think we begin following each other just after the first S3 promo came out. I flailed in your ask box about Borgiacest + Lannistercest

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DGSAFDMD · 01-30-2013, 07:08 PM

wow that's weird.. I just recognize people by pictures on tumblr, maybe that's why lol send me a msg or something from your new URL so I can identify your profile pic

Katja82 · 01-31-2013, 12:27 AM

Still thinking about the timeline.
I don't believe that C/L will happen before her marriage to Alfonso. She would risk a pregnancy that way. And what would she tell Alfonso: "Hey love, I'm pregnant with my brothers child, but surely you don't mind and will marry me anyway? WTF "

Trustno1 · 01-31-2013, 02:52 AM

I won der if they'll make Alfonso impotent or sthg. L seems naked when they're sat on the bad and Cesare looks on. It may explain the only a B can love a B

cahe64 · 01-31-2013, 03:51 AM

I think it would be exciting if she got pregnant, but isn't sure who the father is. Until the child is born and resembles one of the two.

Something else I'm wondering: didn't Lucrezia have a miscarriage during her marriage with Alfonso? I know she had a lot of them in her life, but was wondering if it also happens in the show.

Anahid · 01-31-2013, 05:18 AM

Helloo!

I've been reading these Cesare&Lucrezia-threads for a while now, because I am silently suffering the lack of new Borgia-Episodes aswell as the lack of new C&L goodness... and then, whoa, these new promos blew me away. I honestly do not know how to express my happiness and excitement... I feel like I'm gonna explode. Seriously, I can't believe that Mr. Jordan seems to go down that path and make our ship canon... !!

So, I decided to join in, say hello (as you can see above xD) and hope that you can actually alleviate my suffering.

As for grammatical errors that might occur - English is not my mothertongue. Sorry for that in advance.

Roon · 01-31-2013, 06:24 AM

Welcome Anahid. And your English is excellent

**PhoenixRising** · 01-31-2013, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Katja82 (View Post)

Still thinking about the timeline.
I don't believe that C/L will happen before her marriage to Alfonso. She would risk a pregnancy that way. And what would she tell Alfonso: "Hey love, I'm pregnant with my brothers child, but surely you don't mind and will marry me anyway? WTF "

Very good point, Katja.

Lucrezia's already pushing it with Alfonso after that dance with Cesare last year.

Welcome to the Borgias board and the Cesare/Lucrezia thread, Anahid!

It's a pleasure to meet you! If you wish, you can introduce yourself to us on the introductions thread and tell us a bit more about yourself.

And Roon is right, your English is just fine.

I'm so glad another poster has joined us just as The Borgias is about to return with such an exciting promo!

We have hope for our ship at last!

cahe64, I beg your forgiveness, but I still don't remember your name.

I do wish you could remind me. And Lucreiza had one child with Alfonso, named Rodrigo, but he died at the age of 12.

Katja82 · 01-31-2013, 07:00 AM

I looked it up. In History Lucrezia married Alfonso in 1498 and they stayed in Rome. She gave birth to her son Rodrigo in 1499 (November). Alfonso was murdered in August 1500. She married second Alfonso in 1501 and gave birth to eight children during that marriage.

So if they stuck to that timeline in the series, then Rodrigo could be Cesares child.

cahe64 · 01-31-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post)

cahe64, I beg your forgiveness, but I still don't remember your name.

I do wish you could remind me. And Lucreiza had one child with Alfonso, named Rodrigo, but he died at the age of 12.

My name is Caroline...don't worry too much about it

Thank you for the information. Yes, I know about little Rodrigo. But I thought red something about Lucrezia running down a hill and suffering her first miscarriage (during her marriage with Alfonso). Don't know if they will show this in the Borgias, since she will have alot them during her 3rd marriage.

But at this point I'm just very curious if Lucrezia gets pregnant with Alfonso...or MAYBE Cesare.

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