soup333

This might be my last day here guys. Or tomorrow. I'm kind of interested in hearing what you guys have to say on who the father of this baby turns out to be. I think it's Damien, but we'll see.

Other than that, I have to bow out before this gets any worse. I think we should all just consider this season an unfortunate foray into AU territory. Like Twilight Zone AU. I'm getting out before Javery is permanently destroyed. Taking sweet Scarlett, sweet Daphne and a healthy, kick ass Rayna Jaymes with me.

IceTear1

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/nashville-s...151450290.html

Even critics seems to say it´s different show now

Agreeing with you Soup. Really feels AU... At least I would like to see it that way, since everyone feels more or less ooc.

soup333

That's because it is a different show.

Interesting how she says it focuses only on the women - we've been saying that for months now. Maybe those die hard Chip fans won't be so pleased after all. I think they're some of the last hold outs of happy Nashies. Or those that would watch it even if it came on and all the characters did was recite the alphabet in monotone.

Crystal222

It's so great to see this in a review all the things I've been complaining about since the season began. I was planning on FF to the Javery scenes--if there are any and if they don't make me cringe--but now I'm not sure I'll do even that much.

Nashville reminds me so much of other shows that switched writers and showrunners in their latter seasons: Gilmore Girls, Stargate, West Wing, to name a few. And they all changed for the worse, and I gave up on all of them even though I'd been a huge fan up until then.

Jp10ah

I love Maddie's song,..... I hate that I do but I do!

Could have done without Daphne to be honest. It was a long portion of the episode that didn't seem needed. I would have rather it focused on Deacon.

Excited to see Juliette itching to write good songs again. Actually loved seeing her be the expert and knowing what Maddie's song needed.

Avery was perfect,.......as a sounding board and leg stretcher. He deserves so much more

I cannot believe they made Gunnar run to Scarlett to profess his love for her only to have her sigh in mild discomfort and reluctantly hug him. Why is this still happening???! This has been the same one sided relationship all season. Why don't they get that this is predictable and boring. At least give her a new emotion! Anything! She could have looked surprised, she could have smiled maybe? How is he okay with this?!

hurricane eyes

Thanks for the discussion

Arrakis

The song isn't bad. But i can't stand lennons thin voice. Everyone else could've sang it better. In my opinion hayden has the best voice from the women, followed by clare. But even maisy has a better voice than lennon.

Lily2003

I wouldn't have a problem with the female focus if they were doing it in any way shape or form well. But they aren't. Scarlett's story line is offensive and extremely anti female empowerment. The fact that they see it as empowerment just goes to show how archaic these men are. These story lines just seem so outdated to me in thinking, concept and execution.

I didn't watch last night but I followed Twitter. So glad I didn't watch. Way too much Daphne even though I love her to pieces. Apparently the best they can do for Will is having him spend the entire episode trying to decide what to wear while Zach fawns all over him in the most obnoxious cheesy way possible. And the Scarlett soaptastic who's the baby daddy drama which we all saw coming a mile away. And yeah, Gunnar needs to be running away from that hot mess not towards it. It just makes him look stupid.

nashville fan

Yes, I agree that Avery was Perfect.......as a sounding board and leg stretcher. And don't forget his action in the kitchen at home while Juliette and Glenn talked in the den or his clean-up duty at Gunnar's before he gave Gunnar all that sage advice about the angst of life and love. I suppose that conversation was about him voluntarily being with Juliette and how difficult it was....about how his life was not really happy or satisfying....maybe even "hell"????? (IDK. I'm going by memory and the way I interpreted the conversation.) And I hated that line he said to Emily (another wasted opportunity to use a beloved character who could have actually supported Juliette) at the beginning of the show, "Can't you find one good review?" (Or something like that.) He offered no support to Juliette. No touch to comfort her. No attention or intimate look or gesture just between the two of them to let her know that his heart was breaking over the bad reviews. Just the cheesy line to Emily. Nothing like the intimate moments Rayna and Deacon had with each other in 5A. Makes me angry just thinking about the waste of time and lack of character-building story for him or for his marriage. So, yes, I agree. Avery "deserves so much more."

And what was the deal with Juliette's phone message from Hallie about? Was Juliette thinking about something that happened at the party and why did Juliette suddenly get very dizzy-headed while reading the message? It didn't make much sense to me. Suppose we'll have to wait until next week to find out. Again I say, as beautifully written as the story of Rayna and Deacon was, made me so excited to see what would be written about this couple and right now, it's nothing but Crap!!!

soup333

I didn't even think about Avery comforting Juliette at the party but you're right. That would have been a good way to go, but they opted to go for the line to Emily, which I'm thinking was supposed to be funny??? Or at least maybe lighthearted? I get that he was trying to make her feel better by finding a good review that she could focus on instead of the bad ones.

I did not get the same impression from his conversation with Gunnar. I didn't think that Avery was saying anything negative about his relationship other than that it's hard because relationships are sometimes hard and life is sometimes hard. Being with Juliette while she was recovering had to be hard on him. I think it's fair of him to speak from that experience. I didn't have any problem with what he said except for him agreeing that Gunnar has failed Scarlett in some way. He hasn't. And his line about failing better was corny, but whatever.

Yeah, I have NO idea what they were going for with Juliette's reaction to that phone call. That was just way out there, as was Gunnar running down the street as if a pack of zombies was chasing him.

Fair point about Rayna and Deacon. But I guess we're still supposed to be waiting our turn. After all, other shows make people wait half a season before blah, blah, blah...

Lily2003, I agree wholeheartedly and completely about the female focus being done so so very wrong. Scarlett is a totally new creature and there is NOTHING good about it. I just don't get what...talk about pointless. What's the point of all this when she talked to Rayna about making her own choices (wasting her deathbed moment btw) and then she reluctantly chooses Gunnar anyway? Why? Will we ever find out??? And we already know it doesn't last because he goes to Texas and tries to get with someone down there. This storyline is a complete waste. If they absolutely had to do it, they could at the very least explore Gunnar's feelings instead of glossing over them or worse - rewriting the whole thing to make him the bad guy.

*Also, no idea why Avery was cleaning up at Gunnar's house.

Crystal222

I figured Avery was cleaning up because Gunnar has been in a funk and wasn't bothering to clean up. So he calls Avery to talk about it, and Avery opens the blinds and picks up a few glasses to help get Gunnar out of his funk. Isn't that Avery's role on the show? To be the nanny/leg stretcher/maid/advice-giver/perfect person? I'm surprised he didn't show up on the sidewalk in time to help Daphne with her problems.

That said, he is very pretty doing all these things. Juliette was smart for noticing.

I didn't mind his line to Emily in the episode. It was kind of funny, and the fact that we heard it added to Juliette's humiliation. I'm sure he followed her into her bedroom or wherever she went and comforted her there. But it would've been nice to see that too.

As for the storylines being focused on the women. I don't like it. I don't like that Daphne and Maddie get more focus than Avery or Gunnar or Will. This used to be an ensemble, and I miss that.

soup333

True. And we know Avery gets to perform at some point so he will have a story soon. It would have been nice to see him follow her out of the room so we could imagine a private conversation happening.

I feel a little bit like Sam was phoning it in on some of these parts. Not that I blame him.

Jp10ah

I think it's unfair that the only person who we truly understand is Daphne. The rest is so confusing and we're just left guessing what they're thinking. There is very little meat in this show. Juliette's dizzy spell? Why? Avery doesn't have his own thoughts about his life, Gunnar loves Scarlett. Why? Apparently she's the greatest person he's ever known? Why is she that? Why does he still feel that way about her? Scarlett? Does anyone know what Scarlett is feeling at all? She's freakin' emotionless. I cannot read that woman in any way shape or form. Is she upset Damien is the father? Is she relieved? Is she upset Gunnar still loves her? Is she pleased? Even if the girl is confused let us know! I want to shake her in every scene "tell me what you want???!!!" Wasn't she supposed to be empowered and strong? Why can't we see that side of it? she's been a marshmallow all season and I see no change in sight.

I think this whole thing is a waste anyway because I'm 99% sure she's going to have a miscarriage anyway but why burn everything to the ground around it? It's like the writers are writing these scenes the day before they shoot them without knowing what happens next. My biggest peeve with tv shows is watching without some kind of clear narrative to the way the storyline is going or might be going. I hate saying "what?" And "why?" And never having those questions answered for episodes on end. That doesn't mean I don't like being surprised it means I don't like scenes that have no business being scenes because they are meaningless drivel to the bigger picture.

I'm peeved. And I will be looking to chat tonight if anyone is interested

soup333

^^ You won't be getting these answers from these writers.

The Maddie/Juliette subplot was good because we actually saw both sides of the story. Maddie talked to people about how she felt and why she didn't want to give up control of her song, etc. Juliette talked to Avery about why she felt what she felt and then they talked to each other and worked it out. That's just a rarity in this show now.

Of course Daphne probably talked to a whole lot of folks too. I didn't watch any of that so I don't know. But she had a significant portion of screentime so I'm assuming she wasn't just singing the theme song to Daria and following that wildheaded girl into abandoned buildings the entire time.

Now Gunnar? Finds out Scarlett's pregnant - we get his stunned reaction on the street and then skip ten weeks. We don't even know how SHE feels about it other than wanting to keep the kid. She hasn't even talked to her uncle about this baby.

Remember when Teddy told Rayna he wanted a divorce and how she reacted when she had to sing? Remember how Deacon and Juliette noticed that she wasn't herself and it was a big ass deal? Remember how Avery had to help Juliette through her performance even though she looked as though she wanted to bolt from the stage? Scarlett and Gunnar are in this situation, which had to have been incredibly tense, and we didn't get to see a single glimpse of how they worked together while on this tour. But suddenly they're performing and it's all...good? No backstage awkwardness? They were friendly this whole time? Working, performing and writing together as if they're friends? Who even knows what's going on here?

I've said it before but these writers treat the show as if it's a sitcom. Stuff just get tossed to the side once the episode is over with no follow through in the next episode.

Jp10ah, Twitter! Why do you refuse??

Crystal222

That's why I liked the Maddie/Juliette storyline so much. It was about the music and the writing process. We used to get that all the time on Nashville. Scenes weren't just about Scarlett and Gunnar's relationship, it was about their relationship while they were on tour and he was dating the sound engineer and she was with the doctor. It was all interwtined. And yes, we often got the backstory of the songs and how they related to the character's own lives.

When Deacon was trying to be a front man after his hand injury, it became a story about him finally seeing Maddie for the first time after learning she was his daughter. We got the music and the family drama all in one story.

But now we get Will singing ... somewhere. A song about who knows what. We get Scarlett and Gunnar on tour as if there isn't a big elephant in the room between them. I know they're old pros, but so were Rayna and Juliette. Why couldn't we see S&G being flirtatious on stage and then as soon as they're off stage, they get extremely awkward around each other? That would've been a lot more interesting.

The problem with Avery's future storyline is that I'm afraid he'll be doing a lot of singing and that it won't mean anything. It'll just be him singing, like Will is singing, and it won't be moving his career anywhere. There won't be any songwriting moments like Maddie had. The songs will never mean anything, and the writers can get to say they have a lot of music in the show even though it isn't like it used to be.