Personally, I love Oz's "when I'm kissing you, you're kissing me" speech in the van to Willow. I thought Oz was such a gentleman, and he really surprised Willow. I didn't like that she wanted him to kiss her to get back at Xander. So Oz was the bigger person and realised what was going on, and he nicely surprised Willow with his reaction.

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''4brathan&brucas'' I completely agree with you, there definitely was something intangible about the Willow and Oz relationship that made the show a lot better than it was pre and post Oz.
I didn't like Tara And I hated Kennedy (along with all the other potentials)...sure the whole homo relationship thing was novelish for TV but I always felt that Joss was just trying to reach more viewers by doing it and it was a hint that he wasn't really concentrated on telling a good story anymore.
Another Werewolf character similar to Oz could have taken Seth's place and done the whole male version of the struggle that Buffy was going through as planned.

Oz is my favourite non core scoobie, I think Xander lost a side to his character when he lost his only male friend.

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ITA. It reminds me of the Barry White scene as well. When he said:

Oz: But when it happens... I want it to be because we both need
it to for the same reason. You don't have to prove anything to me.

The word gentleman is such a great description because he was always respectful and didn't try to force Willow into anything. And he was so dependable.

OZ.

End of discussion.

Well I personally love both couples very much.

I think since Tara died, her soulmate, she should be with Oz for sure. I do think Tara is her soulmate and the love of her life, but her and Oz are destined to be together.

Willow and Oz

I like both Willow/Oz and Willow/Tara. I found both ships to be interesting and in their own way entertatining and heartfelt however I will have to whole heartily choose Willow/Tara for this one. Quite honestly I feel that Willow/Tara makes Willow/Oz seem shallow. While I am a huge fan the way Oz never let Willow compromise herself for him and always took a general understanding tone with her I just don't feel that they had one tenth of a sixteenth of what Willow and Tara had. Tara was the greatest support system that Willow had in my opinon and there was a reason why Willow went insane after she was brutally murdered. I don't think Willow could ever be the woman she turned into being without Tara being an intergral apart of her life. I can't see her establishing her own identiy, her own sense of self, her independence or her moving into her sexuality without Tara. Tara was a huge touch stone and a wealth of love, support and strenght for Willow. I don't feel that Oz ever gave her that. I think Oz gave her a safe place to be herself and acceptance however I feel that Tara gave her that ten-fold.

Tara I think also proved that she would be there for Willow but she would not support her addicition and she would not put up with her abuse and mainpulations. Tara was the pefect match for Willow's neediness, insecurity and complimented her the best in a way that no one else did.

Kennedy was all about the physical and I quite honestly never bought their feelings for one another of their "emotional attachments".

And on the point of Willow's sexuality. It would of made a hell of alot more sense if they just made Willow bi-sexual instead of completely usurping her experiences with Oz and Xander and putting her strictly to women.

Willow/Oz ftw!

Oz is good, Tara is good, Willow is crap. They should have gotten rid of Willow after season 3 and brought in Tara as her replacement. And found a way to keep Oz around without Willow.

A bold assertion to make, Sum1.

Write out one of the core four...Replace her with her with her love interest and significantly less developed counter part.

Also, the ties that had been forged between Xander/Willow Buffy/Willow were too strong to simply expel with a transfer overseas or an assassination plot twist.

Let's not also forget the fact that many fans saw Willow as a techno-nerd/pagan icon and would not have let Joss live it down had he 'gotten rid' of Willow.

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Joss has killed off far better characters. Willow was a burden on the show and should have been removed. That would have greatly improved the show, particularly if they'd gotten rid of Xander at the same time. Two lame annoying seriously overrated characters hanging onto Buffy like the parasite you can't shake. They needed to go. Tara was far better acted than Willow. Oz was better than Xander. Get rid of Willow and Xander and replace them with Oz and Tara. Big improvement. Willow and Xander are two unlikeable characters annoyingly passed off as likeable and forced down the audience's throats. The show needed to be free of them.

I can agree with you about Xander but not Willow. I liked both characters during the first season and most of the second season. Didn't like how any of them treated Buffy in Dead Man's Party, especially Xander and Joyce. After Xander lied to Buffy about Willow's message in Becoming 2 I never really liked him again especially since he seemed to be able to brow-beat Buffy and influence her more than any other character.

Both Willow and Xander would show Buffy they didn't approve of her behavior or agree with her but Willow usually still showed her support of Buffy where Xander would use anger and forceful argument to try to coerce Buffy to his way of thinking. I didn't want Xander to be killed off but I did wish Buffy would not let him influence her so much.

I thought Willow was a much more interesting character than Tara. Tara was nice and sweet but too one-dimentional, IMO.

What specifically did you not like about Willow?

And yes I liked Oz better than Tara and definitely better than Xander.

I actually thought that they were going to do that at the end of season three. Have Willow go off to another college and have Xander go cross country or something and then have Buffy on her own for next season. However I think that would have severely weakened the show. Especially since long running characters like Cordelia and Angel were leaving as well at that same exact time. Causing all of those characters to exit the show and just leaving Buffy would have caused too much movement and too much change to quickly and would have eradicated viewers. Not to mention enrage them at having four original members of the show leave. I don't think that Buffy could have handled all of those characters leaving at once. I think Joss was very smart about who he did and didn't kill off. He mostly killed off strong supporting characters who we cared and were sentimental about (Jenny, Tara, Joyce) but he never killed the main characters.

Oz wouldn't have worked without Willow. He was simply to centralized by her character. Oz was just an extention of Willow and even if he as given more development I still don't think it would have been enough to keep the character on without Willow.

Willow was an iconic character. Not only is she probably the most prominent lesbian character in american television history but she is also a character that influenced many of the female intellectual/nerd characters that followed in her wake. While Buffy revolutionized the roles of female heroines on television, Willow did the same for female nerds/intellectual in television. She also was a wiccian icon in starting the whole witchcraft/witch wave that was Charmed. Willow was a very influential character in television history.

Willow being destroyed would have damaged the show beyond recovery. Willow is seen as the virtue and innocence as well as optimism in the show. Killing her would have killed the metaphorical hope and arguablly the "heart" of the show. I personally think that during the worse seasons (4 and 6) Alyson carried the show and made it bearable. She knocked her scenes out of the park and truely stepped up those seasons. I think Alyson is a brilliant actress and showed most of her range in seasons 4-6 on Buffy and season 4 in her guest apperance on Angel.

Willow and Xander weren't forced they were there from the beginning and we grew and experienced things with them and went along in their journey of high school and the supernatural. I think that having Xander and Willow both leave would have killed the show. You can't just kill off your main characters. Especially all at once in quick succession. You'll alienate your entire fanbase.