everwoodfan52

Originally Posted by Betty

I just want to clarify which scene I mean here. This took place outside school....Amy and Ephram were eating lunch...Hannah comes over to show them the story she wrote.



See!! The transcript even mentions the word PECK.

everwoodfan52

Originally Posted by Betty

I just want to clarify which scene I mean here. This took place outside school....Amy and Ephram were eating lunch...Hannah comes over to show them the story she wrote.



See!! The transcript even mentions the word PECK.

Lazy

So many wonderful posts

I have to agree that if there's something I wish they would have done differently, was their physical affection. I remember we talked about this when S3 aired.

I find that this is something that writers tend to do sometimes. I have other couples that are in a stable relationship and they have little pecks on the lips. It can be annoying.

'Tos

Laura! We missed ya.

Especially when the non-main relationships, like Tommy/Amy and Madison/Ephram, were more intimate. It's really weird. I don't know why writers do it. Maybe they think that they don't need to show that the couple is in love and intimate with their actions, and that we'll assume that they're doing more offscreen? Like, they're writing words for them that show that they're in love, and scenes for them to be in love, so they feel like they don't need to show the intimacy? It's stupid, though, because those small moments of just more kisses, more intimate kisses, waking up next to each other, those would be SO easy to put on television, you know? So, why not? It's frustrating.

jediwands

Very loudly, in fact, heh.

This topic was a significant headline in many posts in our episode discussion as well as the E/A thread, remember? Oh yeah, tons and tons of talk about this. Sadly, our discussions were not loud enough for Rina and Berlanti to hear in order for them to do something about this and that's my only regret.

SPORTSUSA

I lurked back then and remember the big time outcry due to the lack of physical on screen affection for EA. I remember this so clearly, not just here, at other sites as well. And LMAO about Rina and Berlanti not hearing it. Hee.

Great posts recently about this, however.

As a rule I personally hate PDA, I even hate a ton of touchy affection in general. I like my space. However, there were definitely certain instances with EA (and you guys perfectly pointed out so many of them) that simply HAD to produce more affection in order for the scene to feel perfect. I am not saying the scenes we got were fake and ridiculous, either. I just feel that putting in more affection would have ADDED to the already very amazing scenes we received.

I remember watching the moment where they make up from the Madison band lie and being astounded that there was not a make up kiss. Or the moment they were going off to have sex. Who does that? Seriously... who decides to get intimate with your significant other in public and hurries off to get some privacy without some type of kiss or hugging, touching, before doing that? It seemed REALLY OFF. That so true about how Bright/Hannah were not in front of them, they were way up on the hill. EA were alone. They could have shared a couple kisses before running off to have sex. They reminded me of a couple that sets a time to "make love" and they meet in bed at the moment! Come on, EA were not living in those times and they were teenagers in love, lets see some reality and yearning between them!

'Tos

At least that would have been something! At least we would have known that they were regularly having sex, even in such a weird way, hee. We had to endure through the torture of Amanda and Andy having a lot of intimacy and being in bed in way too many scenes. It's just funny that a relationship that everyone hated, the writers were willing to show more intimacy than in one that everyone loved. I don't understand it. I realize that they wanted to show the emotional connection of Ephram/Amy, and we all know that they have that, but that's not all they had. Or at least should have had. You have to have a physical connection too, or else you're basically just best friends hanging out a lot, heh.

everwoodfan52

It's almost as if the writers felt that if you were regularly having sex you were slimy, cheap, and indecent. They depicted couples who had a beautiful true love as being chaste and reserved. Very unusual point of view those writers had!

'Tos

You know, that's actually a really interesting point! Bright's desire for sex was portrayed as negative. Now, it was probably negative in his case, heh, but conversely, Amy and Ephram not seen having regular sex wasn't portrayed as negative. Huh. I guess the writers bought into a "it's better to have too little than too much" theory?

Lazy

I missed you too

Yeah, it's a big mystery. I don't know why they drop it completely. Maybe they think that since they are a couple, they don't have to show anything

Yeah I guess we should have been even more loud

I remember the reactions on other forums as well And the theories

jediwands

I think you hit something here, Laura. There was a theory that because EA were always so mature and established (even throughout their ups and downs you always felt they would be together in the end) and as a result, there was no need to show added extras (aka more affection) because it should have almost been assumed and they didn't need to show it. Maybe they almost thought they were respecting the EA pairing by going this route and showing them like a regular TV teen couple would have cheapened their story and they wanted to keep EA unique? I'm all for respect, but if this is what they thought I just don't think they had to keep going with the theme of not having to show what we already knew if that makes sense. Showing it was not translating to us having to see it to believe it... we just wanted to see it because we liked the couple!

Megaphones all around!

Hee, some of those theories were fun and outlandish but still fun! LOL!

Very well said, Erin. 100% concur.

'Tos

I wonder how a more typical TV show would have handled an E/A romance. Worse, obviously, hee. But there would probably be more of those intimate moments that we missed out as we've all mentioned, but less of those great talks and a LOT less of that emotional connection that we saw whether they were friends or together. It's just funny that we ended up missing out on the intimate moments because they were on a non-typical show. If Everwood was on the CW now, you can sure bet that Dawn Ostroff would be trying to make sure that Ephram and Amy had sex about every episode.

everwoodfan52

How the E/A romance would have been handled on a more typical TV show would depend on what network it was shown on. If it was on Showtime....we'd weekly see a naked Ephram and Amy engaging in all kinds of sexual activities in all kinds of positions.
But..even on a family channel...a typical tv show would have handled the romance much more differently than it was originally handled. There would have definitely been more passionate kissing....maybe not actual sex...but we would witness a lot of the pre-sex. Amy and Ephram showed a little too much self control on Everwood.

'Tos

We may have also had to have seen Irv and Edna christening the office! *shudders*

jediwands

I can't stop laughing!

Both of you guys make excellent points... maybe we were saved because Dawn probably would have transformed Ephram/Amy into this typical teen, soapy couple that is ordinary and even plastic. Another great point was brought up about the pre-sex Ephram/Amy time. I think that's what had/has so many Ephram/Amy fans frustrated... it wasn't about seeing them post first time, it was about the little things pre-sex such as the hand holding, hugging, flirting, kissing. We saw some of this but not a huge amount, certainly we have listed scenes that desired some type of intimacy that never took place. Like I mentioned my friend, Mike, as he was watching Ephram/Amy's first time... < that sounded weird but you know what I mean, hee. I remember he was like, "Wow, they acted like friends before this and now they're having sex?" Okay, he was not a regular watcher of Everwood so he didn't get their dynamic but to an outsider without a complete experience of the Ephram/Amy dynamic that is just what it looked like... friends and then sleeping together for the first time. It's just interesting.