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Bringing this over from the previous thread:

I saw something about this on one of the blogs I read, but I didn't get the impression there was any reason to believe there's any truth to it. Just my opinion, but I don't think this is happening. One reason is that there was a Hot Seat article recently saying that the final battle would have to be fought by Emma alone. Another reason is that Lana filmed something with Kerry Washington from Scandal recently that people believe is for ABC Upfronts and I don't think they'd be using her for promotion if her character is dead. I do think it's possible that Regina will die before the series ends, but I think they need her if they have any hope of success in another season.

I think the decision to kill off Robin was because either a) they messed up the story so badly with Zelena they decided to not even try to fix it or b) they've decided Regina is going to be the "I don't need a partner to be happy" character.

ETA: I'm assuming the death is the Black Fairy. They didn't say it would be a regular character.

:) Tftnt.

I did read those hot seat questions and you are right, when they posed the question about the final battle, A&E did answer something to the effect of it being Emma"s battle alone. Which, to be honest, kind of made me think what the hell is the point of all the other characters then but whatever. :lol: I am used to the whole plot being about Emma now.

I do hope you are right, though, and that there is nothing to this. I just think Regina deserves better by this point even if its unlikely to happen. It's not like she'll die but then get a happy reunion in the afterlife that we can be satisfied with. I don't want Regina sacrificing herself just so Emma can walk away with her happy ending in the narrative. Emma is supposed to be the Savior - not Regina. All Regina's death will be about is Emma if this happens. Rumple is still a strong possibility to die, maybe it will involve saving his son somehow so Belle gets her HE with her son but I think I will remain open to the strong chance that it could just as easily be Regina as well.

I did see the picture for the Upfronts with Lana dressed up as EQ so that's why I speculated maybe Regina would die but EQ double comes back. Lana could be promoting that without us realizing it yet.

I definitely agree with those sentiments on what happened with Robin. I think what happened first is they wrote themselves into a corner with Zelena|Baby storyline which was epic fail to the audience. So they didn't want to be bothered to fix it. Then, because they had no intention of having yet another love interest explored after pushing how much Robin & Regina were soulmates, they went for the independent woman trope and hoped that would fly. I probably should have made myself clearer in that what I was referring more to was them bringing Robin back in s6 in the way that they did. If Regina is going to die anyway, there was no point in keeping our Robin Hood around for her to get a series HE with. They could have chosen to pursue Robin's return any way they wanted yet they chose some wish realm double version of him.

I can't see any reason they brought Robin back at all for season 6. There was no point to it since he wasn't even the same character as previous seasons. I just think the network made them do it and they did the bare minimum.

They could bring the EQ back, but I think if Regina died it wouldn't happen right away, since the characters are so similar now. I could see that being a useful idea if Lana were to leave and then decide later she wanted to come back and Regina had already been killed off.

I agree Rumple is a strong possibility to die, although I still think most likely is the Black Fairy since she needs to be defeated for the final battle to be over. Or it could be both of them, with Rumple sacrificing himself to save his family from her.

I think you are probaby right. They didn't write his return as if they wanted to do it. So they did it in a round about way that wasn't real closure or a real HE. A&E were probably in no position to argue with ABC execs due to the ratings decline - they probably had to do what the network requested.

Sorry. What I meant to explain was the character dressed as the EQ, the double who went to the wish verse, might be the role Lana picks up in a hypothetical s7 'new book' if Regina were to die. They are both technically the same on the inside, yes, balanced with light & dark. I personally don't think the actual Evil Quuen will come back as the evil she once was.

True, they could be playing with semantics here with 'character death.' I just figured with the stakes so high for a final battle, and a would be ultimate villain, realistically there is likely to be loss on both sides. And with some actors likely not returning? But yeah, who knows with this show, lol.

I don't like any of this talk of Regina dying!! :bawl:

I hope it's not what happens. :( But I am preparing myself for the possibility. I do think somebody will die, though, besides the black fairy.

Heather, you are probably right. Thinking about other fantasy series tv shows and books that I've read, the epic battle at the end of the series nearly always involves death on both sides. I don't believe it will be Regina though. If it's not Rumple, it could be Blue. Even though she's been around off and on since season 1, she's not that important to the story.

Very right, Sherry, and that's along the lines of what I was thinking. Any fan favorite character death sucks for the actual fans of the character who want to see them getting their HE but, in an epic battle, unfortunately the title doesn't really live up to its name without the stakes being high for both sides.

Regina could be a fake out, we might be lead to believe she'll be sacrificing in Emma's place IF a magical switch takes place for the fight but then another character steps in and takes the ultimate blow to end it? If that were to happen, my guess would definitely be Rumple. He was the actual master mind in manipulating Regina to cast the curse, he made Emma the Savior, BF is his mother, and if it spares Belle or somehow saves Gideon, I can see him taking all that accountability onto himself if the show has him truly go out as a hero for everybody? He'll go out with the BF but the only thing is that would be a bit repetitive of the Peter Pan resolution.

I don't see them killing Snow, Charming, Belle (ie. They didn't establish her as important enough for her sacrifice to have a big sl impact, although I am open to being wrong), we know by now it won't be Hook, & I'd be shocked if they actually let Emma die as the Savior. My best guess comes down to Rumple or Regina to provide an impact. But if it's neither one of them, yeah, Blue fairy is a good safe choice. Hard to say which route they go depending on who they bring back for a potential s7.

This came out and I found the highlighted section a bit telling:


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Anything you can tease about the Final Battle on Once Upon a Time? — Seamus
The wand shard that Hook brought back from Neverland will play a pivotal role in the Finale Battle. “Tiger Lily has played a key role in what’s going to be happening between the Black Fairy and all of our characters, especially Emma,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “That little bit of help she gave is going to be really important.” Plus: Someone will make a big sacrifice during Sunday’s episode in a bid to take down the Black Fairy.
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I am going to assume that highlighted portion is talking about the Sunday when the finale airs? Which is probably talking about the character who will likely die and I'm only guessing it'll be somebody from the main character group.

I think they are talking about this Sunday's episode. I think Zelena is the person making the sacrifice. Sneak peek and filming spoiler talk in tags

It was bad enough when Robin was killed off I was devastated I couldn't post here for a couple of weeks! :bawl:

I can't imagine how I will be with another main cast member getting killed off especially if its Regina!! :bawl:

Sherry, that is certainly possible. The rest of the information was highlighting the final battle so I was assuming the sacrifice was part of that too.

Right when the spoilers & rumors hit, just before 5b aired, I knew it was going to be Robin's death so I prepared myself and quit watching. I hope Regina won't die but I won't be shocked if it happens. I don't think these writers are above doing it. Of course, I'd probably still vent about it afterwards, lol.

Oh yes there will be shock and outrage here if they kill her off thats for sure!

It's seeming like that rumor Heather mentioned in the previous thread about a possible wish Robin/EQ engagement might have some truth to it. I saw a partial periscope of the Sean and Lana panel in Barcelona where they nearly came right out and said that story isn't over and there was some grinning and then Lana saying she thinks they're "having a good time". That doesn't necessarily equal engagement, but after hearing this, it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe Suz will have something to add when she gets back since she was there.

Hm, that's interesting. My guess is we might get shown some kind of union|marriage in a montage at the end of the finale?

That's what I'm thinking too. :nod:

We will have to wait and see :nod:

Also have to keep in mind that even if something we haven't seen yet was filmed, there's always a chance for it to get cut. Wish Robin and EQ exist outside of the current storyline right now, so in my mind that puts them more at risk for a cut scene. I'll be keeping my expectations in check.

I don't know how I'd feel about this anyway. On one hand, it's kind of a nice thought that there is some version of OQ out there that is happy and completely unaffected by the baby storyline. I think this is a couple I could appreciate in fanfiction or even a spinoff (which we won't get) because they really have a clean slate to start from. On the other hand, it feels very wrong to me that the darker version of the couple gets to be happy while our Regina, who did the work to change, is left to grieve her soulmate and our Robin who was a good, kind man had his soul obliterated. Given the choice, I would still prefer proper closure for the couple I love than a happy ending for the couple I have no investment in. No matter how they try to sell it to me, that couple is not the one whose story I was watching the last few seasons.

Sherry, those are my same exact sentiments. That is basically how I see it and how I feel about the situation. Dark OQ I didn't have the investment for and yet the real OQ that I was invested in lacks closure and is tainted by that baby storyline. :pout: It's frustrating because it feels like we got thrown scraps that we have to be grateful to take or something.

Another thing, I just realized that if Rumple dies, which I feel is very possible, notice how it will be two canon pairings that had the villain|former villain in it, losing one of the couple to a death and; thus, not getting their HE? (Even though Hook was a villain as well, I am thinking back to the villains at the start of the series & he's the love interest of the Savior)

My guess is Rumple would make a sacrifice that would stick this time around, doing something to release his mother's hold on his son for good? I can see him agreeing to trade places with Gideon and then the Black Fairy will have the Dark One at her side. This would probably end with giving Belle a HE with her son. My guess is there would also be some convenient de-aging scenario by Blue Fairy, lol, as baby Gideon being snatched happened on her watch.

I predict only Snowing & Captain Swan walking away with their HE as couples.

I think Snowing and CS are pretty much guaranteed happy endings.

I think Rumbelle could go either way. I could see your thought of Rumple dying in a sacrifice for his family and I could also see him surviving and he and Belle leaving town at the end of the season. It would seem rather telling if both couples involving a former villain don't get their happy endings.

I know Henry is the most important person in Regina's life, but I'm a mom of a teenager and a pre-teen and I've become very well aware recently that every year their lives become more and more their own. Kids grow up and move away from home, sometimes far away from home. Henry is a very independent young man who already has an interesting destiny laid out before him. He's not going to be living with Regina that much longer. He's only with her part-time now. She'll still be a big part of his life, but it won't be that long before Regina would be coming home to an empty house every night while everyone else has someone to go home to. It just makes me sad. I think that's why I'm somewhat open to the possibility of a new love interest for her if the show continues.

I don't want Regina to be alone when Henry starts his own journey away from home either!

If Rumple does not die - I definitely see it playing out the other way, Sherry. Rumbelle would likely leave together. I don't see Robert staying; I think there was talk|rumor after s5 aired that he was already bored with OUAT and would just remain up to the 6th season contract expiration.

The one thing that I believe stands in the way of Rumbelle ever having that final HE together is Rumple remaining the Dark One and his love of the power. I don't foresee a victory against the Black Fairy and leaving SB changing that about him and there has been no sign of Rumple deciding to give all that up for his family unless a last minute hail mary change is passed off in the finale? :shrug: Only for that reason, I am leaning more towards a sacrifice BUT I can be completely off base.

Your explanation about Henry coming into his own, and ANY child really, is the same understanding I try to apply to others who want to sell me on the 'Regina doesn't need a man to be happy' reasoning. The arguments will quickly point out she has Henry which is true but Emma has Henry as well and children grow into their own lives and relationships. I try to explain it's not about needing a man; it's about Regina's original canon from s1-s4 ish showing she wanted that true love, first with Daniel, and later her second chance with Robin Hood. Some arguments make it sound like Regina's character was always pushing the independent woman trope when that was revisionist in s5 because Sean's Robin Hood was leaving the narrative. I saw Regina as very lonely as opposed to just being alone in her Young Queen|EQ days. Just my perspective, of course.

I would be open to a new love interest for her if the chemistry is there and good writing sells it this time. I just have no idea what their plans are for a potential s7 and what they will do with the characters who stick around.

I would love for Regina's search for true love to get her somewhere he has had so much heartache already!

I always though her comment to Robin in 3x21 "I just never thought I'd have this" is very telling. It says to me it was something she wanted, but didn't dare to hope for anymore.

Yeah there is always the worry that even if she got a new love interest that it might not be well written. I'd rather her have no love interest than another poorly written story.