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The Everwood Rewatch Fest: "Colin the Second" (S1, Ep. 14)
We'll keep this up for one week and then go on to the next episode. After you've watched the episode, you can comment on it anyway you'd like, big or small. You can focus on certain characters, scenes, quotes, or the episode as a whole. You can tie the episode to the rest of the series, or comment about it as a self-contained episode. It's all up to you! You can always give your thoughts after the one week period, as all rewatch threads will stay open for more thoughts and anymore discussion. Thanks!
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I'll say it first: shut up, Carl.
I'll have actual thoughts later, heh. I just felt like saying that. I is random. __________________
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Not one of my favourites. Yes, even with it being so Colincentric, hee. I guess it's just the whole basketball, Carl, king/queen thing. And not enough Harold. The piano story, though, is very nice. Although then we get introduced to another annoying character in Matthew. Shut up, Matthew. And the Colin story is good. There's great moments in this one, but I don't think that I'd call it a great episode.
Colin is pretty hilarious here. The Ephram/Colin friendship would have been a lot of fun. It doesn't last very long at all, sadly, but we get some cute banter. They're both all snarky and moody all the time here. This episode, the one before, and "Home" are basically why I like Colin. He's sympathetic in all three, but with a touch of coo-cooness, heh. What can I say? I like 'em crazy. The Bob the Second storyline is fantastic stuff as well. Writing, delivery, score. Good scene. Awkwardness abounds in Andy watching Nina and Carl making out and the conversation that follows, and then in Colin taking 80 minutes to explain gerrymandering. Although good for him for putting up his hand. Other classmates, you all have detention. The guy has no memory and he's putting up his hand. What's your excuses? Heh. Carl is such a child. "We made a deal"? This is how you're trying to win an argument? He keeps using Sam as a shield so that Nina can't fight with him anymore too .I think that some of the writing is a little forced, but Stephanie Niznik is rocking it in this episode. Ah, Bright replacing Colin for Amy. My only teary-eyed moment of the episode, but man that is one sweet scene. A lot of this episode feels a little too teen-drama with the king and queen and the basketball game and all that jazz, but this moment makes it all worth it. Good Bright episode overall, really.
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Betty's absence = I actually get more rewatching done, more quickly, out of a desire to keep up board activity, hee.
This is a fairly non-Everwood-feeling episode of the show. The high school focus is really out of place. But I think I'm also not thrilled with the heavy emphasis on people who aren't Browns or Abbotts, for some reason. It's weird, I know, because Nina certainly had her own storylines in S3 and 4 (though I'll take Jake over Shutup Carl any day), and Colin's story is bound up in everyone else's, but...the balance feels rather off, in a way that it doesn't seem to in later episodes in S1 and after. Like they were still getting a feel for how to structure the stories?
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I agree on the non-Everwood feel of the ep. I think the next one will also have some of that feel, but it has tons of Harold to help mitigate that. And Laynie. This episode definitely could have used Laynie to counter some of the popular high school stuff with lots of snark. I have no idea where she'd fit, of course, but maybe cutting down that 67 minute dance scene in half would have been enough. Way to get Emily's dancing talent into an episode in a non-forced and subtle way, guys! Quote:
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Oddly, "Snow Job" doesn't feel quite as out-of-place to me as this one does, probably because there's so much fantastic Harold action. Plus, Ephram gets his snark on in full force thanks to the emergence of Laynie, who, yes, could've been used here somehow to cut down on the high school society stuff...
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Still don't like Colin pre-accident, though. My feelings on him as far as the "We Hold These Truths" flashbacks are concerned remain the same. Smarmy, arrogant little Golden Boy of Everwood. Quote:
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Anymore thoughts, by the way (not directed towards people that have been away, of course)? I don't mind keeping these up a little longer than a week, but, the last thread went so well and so quickly! What the heck happened? Hee. __________________
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Did I ruin things by rewatching early? Because I'd swear this happened the last time I rewatched the episode and posted soon after you put up a thread, too, heh.
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Why doesn't Ephram realize how cold it is in Colorado? (going out to find Colin without wearing a jacket!) It's bad enought that he never wears gloves. |
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I really liked the Nina/Carl story in this episode...well, most of it. The scene in MJ's with the basketball story kind of dragged, but it did pretty much spell out how beloved Carl was to the town and paralleled Colin's story(sort of).
When Nina starts in on the sports store and how happy she is to see everything coming together only to have him stomp all over them...it's sad. Stephanie played that beautifully. And then the fight scene. She and Dylan had great chemistry there. I was almost sad that we didn't get to see as much of that dynamic. Almost. Loved the Bright and Harold dynamic. The quotes posted above never fail to amuse. Colin's "Bob the second" story was well done. The writing was really strong here. Joan Binder Weiss should've stayed with the show past season 2. This episode, We Hold These Truths, and Daddy's Little Girl(co-written with Rina) were all very strong efforts. I consider her to be part of the second tier, big 3. Along with John E. Pogue and David Hudgins. __________________
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I was almost dreading rewatching this episode because Colin breaks my HEART so badly in this one. In the truck, looking for the list so he can get through the homecoming walk, and the hand.....gah.
*breathe* Also, I have to endure a lot of Shutup Carl, which is never a good thing. Anyway. I feel so terrible for Nina in this one, even more so than when she finds out Shutup Carl is gay. Here she's still thinking her husband just does not want to be with her and she doesn't understand why. I can't believe he just stands there and looks at her with no expression while she cries and screams "You are nothing that I need!" and then says it's time for them to head to the game. Nina, WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THIS CREEP? Seriously? Speaking of Nina and the game - why was she dressed up so nicely for a basketball game? That always throws me. We didn't have homecoming when I was in high school, but does the Queen and her court really just go out there wearing whatever? I thought they wore prom dresses and stuff. Quote:
Harold really is such a great dad. I love that the things that make him the most proud are when his kids are being really thoughtful and just good people. I thought his talk with Bright about how it's ok to be good without Colin was great too. They talk about Colin as though he's dead. Really fits in well with Colin's Bob the Second speech. I *heart* Delia telling Andy that Julia used to yell at Ephram all the time, but not her because she's easier to handle. Heeeeeeee. Something I don't understand - did Nina (or maybe it was SuC) really say that they had only been married six years? Or did she mean that he only became a travelling salesman six years ago? Because when SuC was retelling the championship game story he mentioned that he and Nina were dating at the time, and that was nineteen years earlier. I can't imagine that they dated for thirteen years before getting married. Unless she's a LOT younger than he is. Which would make his basketball story really disturbing. "You totally pulled the sympathy vote, but whatever." SHUT UP AMY'S FRIENDS. They are the epitome of everything I hated about high school. |
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I have not really thought much about Nina's backstory, so just for clarification, what are some of the elements of it that make her backstory so confusing? Other than what was said in this episode, hee, which was...wow. Did not notice that either. I'm too distracted by Stephanie Niznik to pay attention to the details apparently.
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