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The Everwood Rewatch Fest: "Turf Wars" (S1, Ep. 9)
We'll keep this up for one week and then go on to the next episode. After you've watched the episode, you can comment on it anyway you'd like, big or small. You can focus on certain characters, scenes, quotes, or the episode as a whole. You can tie the episode to the rest of the series, or comment about it as a self-contained episode. It's all up to you! You can always give your thoughts after the one week period, as all rewatch threads will stay open for more thoughts and anymore discussion. Thanks!
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I always liked the actors who played the grandparents a lot. I really do wish, probably above anyone, that they came back. They really could have been used a lot more. They're not just a reminder of Julia, they're not just a stumbling block to Andy/Ephram, they're grandparents! Come on. Even just more Nonny and Edna fun. That could be a sitcom right there!
Do people in small towns REALLY leave their doors unlocked? Jacob's "This kid's good" to Ben saying he can't go to the fly-fishing with his dad is genius. The way that Jacob talks about Andy to Ephram, undermining Andy behind his back, just makes my skin crawl. Andy may not always be the father he's trying to be, but MAN this guy...I'm actually surprised that Ephram doesn't think it's more awkward that this man is taking shots at his father every ten seconds. I mean, I know he doesn't like Andy all the time either, but wouldn't that make you uncomfortable? And like Jacob's frickin' parenting would work for more than five minutes. Being Ephram's pal? Come on, he wouldn't last ten seconds in Andy's shoes with the crap that Andy has to put up with from Ephram. He wouldn't know how to handle the snark, the yelling. He just hasn't seen any of it because he's only been around the kid for less than 20 hours when he's in a good mood. AGH! He just frustrates the out of me, how high and mighty he comes off. Ephram would be pulling the exact same stuff if he was in New York with Jacob as a father figure and Nonny as the mother figure. Andy isn't the problem. At this point, Ephram is. Jacob is making things work with Ephram during a two day vacation, which is the first time he's seen Ephram in months, taking a shot at Ephram's enemy #1 every chance he gets, and is a man that Ephram doesn't have to fight with because he's got Andy there as a buffer. I could have the kind of dynamic that Jacob and Ephram have if I had all that going for me. Whew! Now I know how Betty feels with the frustration with Amy's treatment towards Ephram. Or how Thief feels with Amy all the time, heh. There are some rude people in Everwood. First, Reverand Keyes basically shoves Andy out the door in the last episode, and now the MEOW turns on the TV while Andy is talking. I don't like Nonny's attitude towards Edna much, but man..maybe this place does need a few lessons in manners. Although that scene between Edna and Nonny when Delia is asleep is beautiful stuff. Ah, Ephram butting into the Colin/Amy/Harts thing. Like father, like son. "She'll forget her. She's too young. How will she remember how lucky she was?" Maybe Nonny isn't so full of the wisdom she thinks she is. From the very first episode until the last, from the hats to the crush on Bright, from Britney and the in-crowd, from the cute lines to the temper tantrums, the one thing that will always stay constant for Delia Brown is that hold to her mother. Alright, since I want to currently stab Jacob Hoffman in the eye with the pen on my desk, I think I should go back on my desire to have the grandparents back. I don't think I could take it. Maybe Nonny. __________________
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I really felt for the Hoffmans. Can you imagine how difficult it was for them? They lost their daughter....I don't think there could be a greater heartbreak than losing your child. Here we have their grandchildren...taken away from them across the country...by a dad that really didn't do much for them up until this time. The Hoffmans had to invite themselves to visit their own grandchildren. I can honestly see why Jacob wanted to have a piece of Ephram in New York....especially when he saw how unhappy he was. I'm sure that broke his heart. Quote:
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But I do agree that I feel sorry for the Hoffmans, I really do. It's a tragic story all around and there isn't really any bad guys, I just think Jacob's way of getting to Ephram and undermining Andy is just screwing up an already messed up situation. But I don't blame him for what he's doing, I just want to smack him for it. And I also agree that yelling isn't how you deal with Ephram, but I really don't think Jacob's style works long-term. Remember that Ephram hasn't seen his grandparents in ages, and you treat people differently when you don't see them for a long time. You treat someone differently that doesn't live in your house, or someone that doesn't have to make the rules for you. Jacob has that advantage. He loses it in New York, and I'm not sure that talking to Ephram calmly would still work when he does now make the rules, and Ephram has to follow them and doesn't like them. He's treating him with respect with the assumption that Jacob is leaving soon. Jacob doesn't have any authority now, and he's not a threat to Ephram getting what he wants, but he would be if he makes the rules. Andy has tried talking to Ephram calmly, but it comes with varied success. I think Jacob's style would work for a time, but we're seeing his parenting style work in a situation where he has all the advantages and there is no reason for Ephram to go against him. In New York, that all changes. And I think Jacob's effectiveness would too. __________________
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I was kind of giving Ephram the benefit of the doubt. I was assuming that Ephram had a belligerent personality because of his disfunctional homelife(absent father). I really figured Ephram to be the type to treat people nicely that he respected. (his grandfather). At this time....he felt no respect for Andy. I also felt that when Andy spoke calmly to Ephram...Ephram listened. Remember the time that Andy explained to Ephram how he really felt about Ephram leaving and how much he would miss him? He did it in a calm manner. Ephram listened and re-thought his plans. Quote:
It would have been interesting if we saw that. Ephram actually leaving....then having to come back because he was a handful and the Hoffmans gave up! |
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Hee, I think we're going to have to extend this one, because I think we're ALL looking forward to tomorrow and S2, and it'll take a few days to get back to, uh, looking back at S1.
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Here are some thoughts on the episode:
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What do you think about the grandmother, Betty? Nonny I think, I can never spell that. Unless I just did, heh. Maybe it's good that we're taking so insanely long to get to the next episode, because I don't know if I ever want to see Jacob again, and he's about to get much more annoying next episode! Anyone else interested in posting thoughts? No rush, obviously, and with S2 out, we're all watching that, but at some point I'd like to get this going again. __________________
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I also felt for her and her grief. It must have been heartbreaking for her. ETA: To all of you who said that you were interested in participating in a rewatch.......Where are you????? Last edited by everwoodfan52; 06-23-2009 at 05:16 PM |
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What!? I made a post way on the 12th! Where'd it go!?!?
Anyway, I don't think I agree about Jacob. Sure he could be an asshat. And his snide little remarks towards Andy were unnecessary. But I feel bad for the guy, he lost his daughter, never saw his grandchildren, and knew that Andy neglected her. He's got a lot of built up anger inside him that he probably never let out, so him doing all that he did here is...not okay, but I can see why he did it. His and Andy's final conversation was really good though. Good writing from Mimoun. Same for Ruth and Delia's scene in the kitchen. "I didn't know you moonlighted as a condom." HA! __________________
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Your post disappeared, shadow? That's so weird! Maybe it got eaten by the FF servers!
I think the Jacob-hate is just my thing, hee. I totally agree with what you guys are saying about why he's doing what he's doing and it's so true, but I still can't stand him. I'm a cold-hearted person, apparently, hee. __________________
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OK I'm skipping over a couple of eps in my posts because hubby and I just watched Turf Wars and Is There a Doctor in the House last night.
'Tos, you are definitely not alone in the Jacob hate. I spend most of these two eps wanting to smack his teeth back into his head. I don't have a problem with his anger toward Andy, because it's absolutely true that for the first several years Andy neglected Julia and their children, but Jacob came to EW with an agenda and he refused to sit back and watch long enough to see that Andy realized his mistakes and was honestly trying to do better. All of the "Even the new Andy?" snips Jacob made to Ephram were just completely unnecessary and did nothing but further strain an already strained relationship. Moving on. Forgive me if I mix up the two eps a little. We watched them back to back so they kind of blur together. Edna v. Nonny - that was pure gold. I love how even though they were so vastly different and didn't mind snipping at each other, they were still able to bond over their shared loved for Delia. I know Amy is probably hated for her "Maybe you should move on, Ephram" but I think she had a point and he needed to hear it. That's not to say I didn't cheer him on for throwing it back in her face later in the grocery store, hee. Colin's mom - MAN I really hated her in this episode. Did she just so totally forget that it was AMY that got the ball rolling for the surgery and it was AMY who took a four hour bus to Denver every weekend to visit a boy who didn't even know he was still alive? Yes Amy needed to back off a little bit and let Colin come into things more slowly, and yes Amy spending the night at the hospital was a little much, but she was downright cruel and it just wasn't necessary. I really, really hated the MEoW story in this episode. Gastric bypass is NOT a surgery that's to be taken lightly, and contrary to popular belief not every fat person has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. Andy didn't even do any health testing on the guy, he just took one look at him and made a decision. Grrrr. Reading about Hebrew school in the religion thread, I realize that they missed a good opportunity for Nonny or Jacob to bring up Hebrew school for Delia. Even if Andy didn't know she should be going, they certainly would have and it would have seemed a little less like they were only there to take Ephram away, if they had brought up that there was something more Andy should be doing for Delia too. Ah, well. |
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