Yeah, the tiger thing was way over the top. Even if she wasn't it in real danger, it was humiliating. As bad as Catherine can be, she never would have thrown Francis or Mary in a tiger cage....never. Narcisse maybe, but not her family.

the fact is also maybe she was in real danger, it's a wild animal, one can never know what the animal could do, maybe even kill her and they probably weren't even thinking about it

Not so sure he will regret it actually

Yea, I really don't know how Francis allowing his mother to be thrown in a cage with a wild animal is excusable. That was down right horrifying and I couldn't buy the francis we've grown to love would ever allow such a thing.

I expect it from Mary. I have a very low opinion of her so I think she's pretty much capable of anything.

But for francis to be laying up with Mary and throwing his mother in a cage just proves he's a sucker for love. There's literally nothing Mary could do that would cause him to kick her out of those comfortable sheets but he has his mother in a cage with a wild animal. It's ridiculous. Mary was betraying francis for purely selfish reasons and Catherine, whether you agree or not with her actions, was working out of francis and france's interest, but she's the only one who is humiliated. And the sad part is when francis's back is against his wall, Catherine is the only one who will always be on his side. Damn near everyone on this show has at some point turned against him and would again except his mother and I suppose Claude. I would include kenna but she is gone now.

And Francis didn't make the right decision. Conde is on the run now, again. If they follow history, he's going to build an army against them. So Catherine was right. But francis is soft when it comes to everyone, except his mother. It's odd.

Maybe I would feel differently about catherine trying to make the decision re Conde for him if Francis hasn't been such a terrible king. At the end of the day, francis HAS been a bad king. I love him but he's made awful decisions. We can blame the blackmail, the rape, his love for mary etc but it doesn't change the fact that he's had an awful tenure at King. Why would catherine respect his decisions as King? His wife doesn't. She befriended conde early in season 2 and acted against francis. The only one who respects francis's authority as King on this show is Bash. So I find it odd when people are speaking about how catherine doesn't respect him, when 98% of the characters on this show don't. They do what they want to do even when francis has straight up forbid it in multiple cases.

True. But hey we have 91 posts here that more than we have for the last 4 episodes of S2

It was. So much better than S2 last episodes

Yeah, I guess we have been going around in circles. But I love the high post count! I think the conversation has been very interesting, and I'm so glad that we can have discussions like this and agree to disagree.

Catherine thought that her envoys would ruin Mary, but she really misjudged the Vatican's response (ouch). I loved how Catherine's ignorance about his illness ruined her plan to wed Elizabeth and Charles. The writers are so clever.

I agree, I can't wait to see Catherine's response when she learns about his illness. Can she ever redeem herself at this point?

It was all really clever. I was proud of Francis and Mary for figuring out what Catherine was up, too. But at same time, the way the plan fell apart didn't make Catherine look foolish (even if she did misjudge how the Vatican react to Mary's affair).

Park, I really hope Cat can redeem herself. I hope they all can.

True. But hey we have 91 posts here that more than we have for the last 4 episodes of S2