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Jinzle · 10-20-2016, 06:33 AM

OK I know I must be missing stuff so I am hoping you guys will fill me in as my cheese filled brain can't make the appropriate connections.

1. How did J and H become two people. When Rumple transported H to The Land Of Untold Stories, they were still one person, not two.

2. My previous question about Hook and the Jolly Roger.

3. What evil did Rumple do (sans BELLE) ? This is how I interpt what happened between Rumple and J. Sayyou are doing drug research and that research catches my attention. I am the CEO of a big pharmaceutical company. I finance your research and encourage you to be successful. You chose to forgo any testing or clinical trails and experiment on yourself. There are bad side effects leaving you with a permanent disability. Is it my fault? If Rumple had not sent them to TLOUS then H/J would have hung for murder. Why is Rumple the bad Guy?

Belle *sigh*

**Meliana** · 10-20-2016, 08:04 AM

1. They were split when J made the serum in TLOUS, and Hyde injected himself.

2. I don't know, they wanted to make him turning up dramatic. I do know from BTS filming that Belle had a conversation with him before Rumple, and he showed her the shell around his neck, so maybe he explained his sudden appearance, but we may never know.

3. I think J wanted to blame someone other than himself. Often on this show people set up resentments against someone for no obvisous reason. I never understood Regina's absolute hated for Snow telling a secret, when it was her own mother who manipulated the entire situation and killed Daniel.

Jinzle · 10-20-2016, 08:28 AM

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1. They were split when J made the serum in TLOUS, and Hyde injected himself.

2. I don't know, they wanted to make him turning up dramatic. I do know from BTS filming that Belle had a conversation with him before Rumple, and he showed her the shell around his neck, so maybe he explained his sudden appearance, but we may never know.

3. I think J wanted to blame someone other than himself. Often on this show people set up resentments against someone for no obvisous reason. I never understood Regina's absolute hated for Snow telling a secret, when it was her own mother who manipulated the entire situation and killed Daniel.

No when he drank the potion, J turned into H. They did not split into two different people.

Belle blamed him, as others in the fandom do. I wasn't concerned about H or J.

I always thought the issue with E Q and Snow was one of deflection. She could not hate or blame her mother so she blamed Snow.

**Meliana** · 10-20-2016, 08:39 AM

Episode 5x23: J made the serum with the flowers, then the servant of Hyde came in forced him to change into H. Then as the heroes fled the room, H injected himself with the new serum and became two people.

Jinzle · 10-20-2016, 08:57 AM

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Episode 5x23: J made the serum with the flowers, then the servant of Hyde came in forced him to change into H. Then as the heroes fled the room, H injected himself with the new serum and became two people.

Ah....thank you

Seamstress90 · 10-20-2016, 02:06 PM

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I always thought the issue with E Q and Snow was one of deflection. She could not hate or blame her mother so she blamed Snow.

I think Regina was also afraid of her mother.

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Great seeing FTL Rumple again

It was! I really enjoyed Bobby's performance.

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To be honest, I actually don't think Rumple is doing anything for Belle anymore. He still loves her, yes, and he wants to protect her and their child, but that love he has for her isn't blinding him.

Yeah, I don't think Rumple's trying to be anything for anyone anymore. As he told Regina in 5x23, he already tried to be a good man for Belle and Bae, but he failed because he likes darkness. So I think he's given up trying (What's the point if he will fail anyway?). But at the same time he's dissatisfied with himself because he has a child to think about now. He wants to be the Dark One (or at least keep the power), but he also wants to be a good father. And he must be well aware that those two things may be a bit.. irreconcilable. Hence his frustration.

ChakotaysLover · 10-20-2016, 02:10 PM

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Missed him too

I just love him in those boots and the coat and the vest!!!

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Yeah, I don't think Rumple's trying to be anything for anyone anymore. As he told Regina in 5x23, he already tried to be a good man for Belle and Bae, but he failed because he likes darkness. So I think he's given up trying (What's the point if he will fail anyway?). But at the same time he's dissatisfied with himself because he has a child to think about now. He wants to be the Dark One (or at least keep the power), but he also wants to be a good father. And he must be well aware that those two things may be a bit.. irreconcilable. Hence his frustration.

Rumple is a man made to dabble in the dark. Just because he likes darkness, being the Dark One, doesn't mean he can't be a "good" father. He only does "bad" when others back him into a corner and he's left with no other option.

Seamstress90 · 10-20-2016, 04:51 PM

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I just love him in those boots and the coat and the vest!!!

Rumple is a man made to dabble in the dark. Just because he likes darkness, being the Dark One, doesn't mean he can't be a "good" father. He only does "bad" when others back him into a corner and he's left with no other option.

The problem with the DO's power is that it's very corruptive. It's not as simple as Emma or Regina's magic. I think the writers/JMo said during 5a that the Darkness heightens the host's flaws (or something like that), and here's also Rumple's warning to Emma (from 5x05):

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Emma: Tell me, when you were the Dark One, did you advertise your plans?

Mr. Gold: My plans were always hidden. But my reasons were not. Every time I used magic, I told myself it was all for my son... to protect him.

Emma: How noble.

Mr. Gold: Despite my best intentions... I still lost him.

Emma: I'm stronger than you were.

Mr. Gold: Well, that... that really doesn't matter. The more you justify what you're doing, the more you push them away. And take it from me... you will always lose the ones you love the most.

What Rumple did in the last episode is exactly what he warned Emma about. He did a very stupid thing with good intentions (to protect Belle/the baby), and only managed to push Belle further away. That's what the Darkness does to its host, and possibly on purpose because love is a threat to it. Emma was no different. If Rumple can't control the Darkness/neutralize the power, then he will keep screwing things up until he loses Belle and his child forever.

ChakotaysLover · 10-20-2016, 07:06 PM

ChakotaysLover · 10-20-2016, 07:06 PM

**Meliana** · 10-21-2016, 12:01 AM

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What Rumple did in the last episode is exactly what he warned Emma about. He did a very stupid thing with good intentions (to protect Belle/the baby), and only managed to push Belle further away. That's what the Darkness does to its host, and possibly on purpose because love is a threat to it. Emma was no different. If Rumple can't control the Darkness/neutralize the power, then he will keep screwing things up until he loses Belle and his child forever.

That's a very good point. All the DO's have pushed away the ones they love. And Rumple keeps turning to his power, hoping it will solve his problems, but it keeps isolating him more. A terrible vicious cycle.

**crazy_diamond** · 10-21-2016, 04:15 AM

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What Rumple did in the last episode is exactly what he warned Emma about. He did a very stupid thing with good intentions (to protect Belle/the baby), and only managed to push Belle further away. That's what the Darkness does to its host, and possibly on purpose because love is a threat to it. Emma was no different. If Rumple can't control the Darkness/neutralize the power, then he will keep screwing things up until he loses Belle and his child forever.

Exactly

Belle is the one threat to the Darkness pushing some of Rumple's buttons is doing what it needs to drive her and their child away.

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Yeah, I don't think Rumple is the typical Dark One anymore. Yes, he has the power of all the ones before, but couple that with a "Pure Heart", and its a whole new mixed bag.

Indeed he is

Seamstress90 · 10-21-2016, 01:28 PM

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That's a very good point. All the DO's have pushed away the ones they love. And Rumple keeps turning to his power, hoping it will solve his problems, but it keeps isolating him more. A terrible vicious cycle.

It is..

I don't think him having a white heart really helps much. I think it just means his heart was a clean slate. That he was neither a hero, nor a villain. Just pure Rumple. And he did say it didn't matter if Emma was stronger than him (And she's the savior). Well, he was right.

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We all know Rumple is in it for the long game, and he is setting something up, not necessarily to get Belle back, but he's got something cooking that's for sure. He's up up to something, I just don't think it's anything bad.

I agree. I think it has something to do with the EQ, but I'm not sure what..

ChakotaysLover · 10-21-2016, 05:22 PM

**crazy_diamond** · 10-22-2016, 03:51 AM

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It is..

I don't think him having a white heart really helps much. I think it just means his heart was a clean slate. That he was neither a hero, nor a villain. Just pure Rumple. And he did say it didn't matter if Emma was stronger than him (And she's the savior). Well, he was right.

I agree. I think it has something to do with the EQ, but I'm not sure what..

That she was and he's keeping his cards close to his chest regarding the EQ...


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