Wow Bones, I think Ricky is just really insecure about how Amy feels right now. Still don't think he likes Clem but may be getting a vibe that she likes him. Will have to see how he reacts to that if he backs off or encourages it. He just said what he did to Ben to try and intimidate him. And the look on Amy's face (when she looked away) ater she said she wanted to get married again in the ending scene and he mentions that if Jack is okay they would be right back where they were in the morning, kinda confirms that he, Ricky, is right. Him bringing up John's last name may be his insecurities again because right now he has no claim on either Amy or John as they both are still Juergens so in his opinion they can pick up and leave for NY, leaving him behind at any time. The fact that he was trying so hard to contact George shows his desperation. Amy switching her reasons for wanting to get married every other episode isn't helping either. She needs to do away with her fear that Ricky will leave if she is honest and says I want to go to NY and I want you and John to come with me, maybe she thinks he will reject that request and chose to stay in CA given his school and his pending future with Leo's company to go live in NY where they will have to basically start over and have more bills paying rent (they live rent free now and can hardly get by). This is a very touchy time for them both and life keeps handing them sour limes. They are gonna figure it out I know, but until then we have to put up with sneaky Clem and creepy Ben.

Wow Bones, I think Ricky is just really insecure about how Amy feels right now. Still don't think he likes Clem but may be getting a vibe that she likes him. Will have to see how he reacts to that if he backs off or encourages it. He just said what he did to Ben to try and intimidate him. And the look on Amy's face (when she looked away) ater she said she wanted to get married again in the ending scene and he mentions that if Jack is okay they would be right back where they were in the morning, kinda confirms that he, Ricky, is right. Him bringing up John's last name may be his insecurities again because right now he has no claim on either Amy or John as they both are still Juergens so in his opinion they can pick up and leave for NY, leaving him behind at any time. The fact that he was trying so hard to contact George shows his desperation. Amy switching her reasons for wanting to get married every other episode isn't helping either. She needs to do away with her fear that Ricky will leave if she is honest and says I want to go to NY and I want you and John to come with me, maybe she thinks he will reject that request and chose to stay in CA given his school and his pending future with Leo's company to go live in NY where they will have to basically start over and have more bills paying rent (they live rent free now and can hardly get by). This is a very touchy time for them both and life keeps handing them sour limes. They are gonna figure it out I know, but until then we have to put up with sneaky Clem and creepy Ben.

I completely agree.

If someone was making up excuses as a reason to get married instead of wanting to get married because they love you, would that make you doubt they even want to be with you and also doubt they even love you.

Every line from Amy - I want to get married - has been said at least 50 times this run..
1. I want to get married so I could prove I wasn't gay.
2. Ben finds out the truth -- let's get married (hasty decision like it was when she proposed to him in 3xwhatever that ep was)
3. Wants to get married to keep Ricky away from girls.
4. Wanted to elope so she can keep her parents from bringing dates to her wedding.

She also has no desire in planning the wedding.

Not one of those reasons were that she wanted to marry him for him because she loves him. It does hurt when the person you love has to convince herself/himself to get married and how they have to have an excuse to get married as oppose of wanting to marry for love.

I completely agree.

If someone was making up excuses as a reason to get married instead of wanting to get married because they love you, would that make you doubt they even want to be with you and also doubt they even love you.

Every line from Amy - I want to get married - has been said at least 50 times this run..
1. I want to get married so I could prove I wasn't gay.
2. Ben finds out the truth -- let's get married (hasty decision like it was when she proposed to him in 3xwhatever that ep was)
3. Wants to get married to keep Ricky away from girls.
4. Wanted to elope so she can keep her parents from bringing dates to her wedding.

She also has no desire in planning the wedding.

Not one of those reasons were that she wanted to marry him for him because she loves him. It does hurt when the person you love has to convince herself/himself to get married and how they have to have an excuse to get married as oppose of wanting to marry for love.

Ricky is insecure and Amy isn't helping. She needs to make it clear to him that she wants to marry him because she loves him and for no other reason. I understand where Ricky's doubt is coming from.

However, Ricky needs to squash this Clementime flirting like Yesterday. Im not sure he is interesting in her. I think he might enjoy the attention though... In a since that someone besides Amy sees and understands him and still likes him.

Right now Both Ricky and Amy have things they need to work out with each other that involves actual sharing of feelings before they get married.

Well I think we may all disagree between whats going on between ricky and amy and what their specific reasons may be but I think we can all agree that this angsty storyline that has existed since 4x14 SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRAPPED UP BY 5x11. But Brenda is an idiot and spent all of 4B with people being gay and then spent all of 5A on ben & leo/camille plus george/kathleen so ramy has had no progression since 4x13.



Also ricky is blatantly flirting with Clementine and somehow all you ricky stans on here have found a way to spin it so its not his fault instead of calling him out on it.

Well I think we may all disagree between whats going on between ricky and amy and what their specific reasons may be but I think we can all agree that this angsty storyline that has existed since 4x14 SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRAPPED UP BY 5x11. But Brenda is an idiot and spent all of 4B with people being gay and then spent all of 5A on ben & leo/camille plus george/kathleen so ramy has had no progression since 4x13.



Also ricky is blatantly flirting with Clementine and somehow all you ricky stans on here have found a way to spin it so its not his fault instead of calling him out on it.

You have shown reasons why Amy has not been full gung ho on getting married but you have stated ZERO proof of her not wanting to be with Ricky.

Let's make one thing clear to all of you Ricky stans, Ricky is ALWAYS the one that is putting their relationship in utter turmoil (nearly breaking up). Let's look at the facts the two times their relationship has been in major jeopardy, when it came down to Adrian leaving messages and Ricky lying, instead of being a man and realizing his mistakes he ran like a pathetic coward and blamed his girlfriend for not trusting him and he kicked her out and she wound up being the one to have to fight for their relationship, Ricky was being a little bitch throwing a tantrum. Now when it's all about marriage he's seeking a way out? What because Amy doesn't want to jump right into getting married he thinks she doesn't want to be with him, so what? He's trying to find a way out of this so that he doesn't come out hurt if she indeed does not want to be with him? Pathetic and cowardly behavior.

Yeah he may really want to get married but he has taken no time to understand how Amy feels about getting married so quickly. He may talk it out with her one episode and then the next its still "when are we getting married" "lets talk marriage". WTF is that? One episode Amy is saying how scared she is of being married so soon the next he's pressuring for marriage?

I just realized something, he's never compromised for her, yeah okay he might've kept his shlong in his pants for a few months and not cheated on her but big freakin whoop. When it comes down to the relationship what has he done for her?

I know i'm going to get these questions/complaints/excuses so time for me to squash them:

He pays the apartment bills? Um excuse me, wasn't he the one that wanted her to move in with him? She didn't have to move in with him she could still be at home with George working at the nursery making her own money ... and let's not forget she has insurance.

He stopped lying especially when it comes to women he's close too? Jokes on you, what just happened with Clemydia?

He apologized for his past mistakes? Okay yeah he apologized but let's see um didn't he lie again ... this time the lie seems worst considering he lied about where he was and who he was with.

He's trying to make it work with Amy? How? By finding a way out when ish looks like it will hit the fan?

He's tolerated Amy ... and Amy's tolerated him; what's your point?

But Amy is so immature ... so is he ... again what's your point?

But he provides money for John ... so does Amy aaaagain what's your point?

But Amy complains so much ... yeah she complains about life but not about their relationship ....

But Amy picks fights with Ricky! Her der!!! what do the fights she has with Ricky always consist of? OH THATS RIGHT LIFE not their relationship ... unless you consider the ones where she's accusing him of doing something behind her back but ... those are with reason.

But Amy lied about being married! Um ... yeah ... so why didn't Ricky squash that lie from the get go? Why couldn't he have done it when Amy announced they were married?

But Amy only wanted to get married because she didn't want her parents to bring their respective dates? Let me see I'm pretty sure Ricky said he'll take it with a huge grin on his face, so what's the problem?

Amy only wanted to get married to prove she wasn't gay! Yeah and? Aren't they still together, wasn't the whole gay thing some stupid filler fluke?

But Amy is always doubting Ricky! WITH REASON every time she's doubted him she's had a reason too, like recently when Ricky decided to stay out all night he might've texted her but he didn't fill her in on everything he was doing. He definitely forgot to mention he was with Clemydia walking her back to her dorm.

But Amy doesn't listen to Ricky all of the time! Does she have to? I'm sorry but I thought she was her own person, her own woman? I mean I wasn't aware that we were living back in the stone ages where men controlled all of what women did? So you're saying Ricky is her master and she should bow out and do whatever he feels she should do for him? Then that explains why she feels she has to have sex with him all the time just to keep him satisfied.

He kept the couch! After throwing a bitch fit, give me a break!

So what has he done for her?

Yes obviously after all of that Amy has her flaws, so what? Even after everything she has never shown she has not wanted to be in a relationship with Ricky. Getting back to my point it's always been Ricky looking for the way out when Ish hits the fan. So you tell me who seems more serious about the relationship now the one that isn't ready to hop into marriage WITH LEGITIMATE REASONS or the one who's shown maturity but jumps ship with ish hits the fan?

excuse the spelling error i'm too lazy to fix em