T'Lynn

She's not a stable girl. Her family owns the stables. People are just worried that the story will go that way for Henry. I think we're going to find out in the next episode ...

Radames

I was only referring to them failing their kingdom and Arthur let his obsession drive him mad and then he basically took away Guinevere's agency and made her a shell of the woman she used to be.

TBH we know that there's flashbacks coming of Young Guinevere and Lancelot, we may find out they had something in their youth as well.

Plus are you forgetting the most recent spoilers? You know with Killian's name on Excalibur? Showing that he is the true wielder of the weapon?

If Arthur was supposed to be king then why was his kingdom still broken just like the sword? The prophecy was never about him and this episode to me confirmed it. The fact that he had to resound to magic to be able to place the facade that the sword and Camelot are complete is all the proof you need he's not the Orphaned king.

fox24

I don't think she'll have the same fate as Daniel

scififan2009

Hope this makes more sense after Emma talks with Merlin. He surely has all the answers.

koodles

I think is anything this episode foreshadowed that the Camelot arc will end with Guinivere become the queen and finally fixing the broken Kingdom herself. Lancelot said she was the true ruler and I felt that was definite foreshadowing.

A&E said that the Violet/Henry romance would be heartbreaking.

scififan2009

Hope there's a cure for that sand.

fox24

Yeah but I took it as emotional heart break not in death

koodles

I think the exact quote from A&E was that the Henry/Violet romance was "going to break our hearts."

A death would certainly do that. It just seems too coincidental to me that Violet has things in common with Daniel, his mom's first love.

Given how deceptive Arthur turned out to be the prophecy could be something he made up. And once again you are ignoring the fact that he pulled Exalibur out of the stone when no one else could.

And what are you talking about young Guinivere/Lancelot flashbacks??? I don't think we got any spoilers for that.

Oh and I'm not ignoring that Killian's name is on the sword. I stated my theory on this a couple times before. I think Exalibur reforged is one giant DO dagger and Killian is connected to the curse. The DO was there watching the fight which means he was the voice in someone's head and Killian is the only one in that fight with his name on the sword/dagger.

Jsi.23

Let's pray nothing bad happens to her but instead just ends things with Henry. Is she expected to be in the second half of the season or is that unknown?

T'Lynn

There have been no sightings of her after 5x05 but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. No one knew she would be in 5x02 or 5x04 either ... we just have to wait and see.

Miss Cam

I would actually love a twist where Guinevere became Camelot's ruler and worked to mend the broken kingdom. It would go well with OUAT's strong women theme, and give her a purpose beyond being brainwashed and controlled by Arthur.

Bookworm25

Violet's only been in what..3 eps?

They barely got their relatinship off the ground.....

Maybe she figures out Emma is the DO, and breaks it off with Henry??

koodles

I agree.

In most variations of the story Guinivere is portrayed as a victim or pawn. It would be a great twist to see her become THE Queen of Camelot and repair the kingdom the right way, not with delusions or power greed. I think the show just implied that upcoming twist too.

I just hope she doesn't immediately start a romance with Lancelot right away. I don't really like the idea of her becoming part of a couple so soon after regaining her independence.

I definitely got from this episode that Lancelot loves Guinivere but from Guinivere I think she only has feelings for him, not full blown love. In fact she might have just been lonely and seeking comfort.

fox24

Well Lance and Gwen did have the connected on a mission a parrallel to Cs, OQ, and Snowing. However, I do think on Gwen at the time she was still in love the person Arthur used to be and it was a moment of weakness but it could grow. Yeah I did see Lance more invested than her

Radames

Killians name is on Excalibur though and the prophesy is specifically about an orphaned King. The only way it would work is if Guinevere was abandoned as a child. I can see Killian handing the reigns to her after the Camelot arc wraps but I think it's clear he's the orphaned king of Camelot Merlin told Arthur about about. It's just my opinion though of course.

We have to take in the recent spoilers into account, and it's very likely Killian is the rightful king of Camelot based on them.