Forwood4Bamon

Thanks for the info. I am definitely watching.

parisredbeatrice

^^^ I'm happy, when I can share some info .

The episode title of 207 is "Working for the Clampdown". I didn't know the meaning, so I looked up the word.

Edit: There is also a song from The Clash "Clampdown" which is sometimes called "Working for the Clampdown" according to wikipedia. Quote from wikipedia: "Its lyrics comment on people who forsake the idealism of youth and urges young people to fight the status quo."
I don't want to read too much into it, because I don't think we can infer that much from the season 1 episode titles, but it might have to do more with Joe than with the others. His career at Westgroup won't end in a good way. He has it coming, when his relationship with Sara ends, her father will push him out. I really think Joe only cares about his career in 207. He's again in the corporate world and he loves it for now, but I don't think it's what he wants longterm.
Or maybe it has to do with Cameron and not wanting to sell Mutiny to Westgroup. It's her baby.

There are pics of Lee and Joe's hair looks again similar to his hair from the beginning of season 1. I think it means to show he's regressing again and becoming the old Joe. Cameron made him human in season 1 and now without her he is changing back.

Also (I already edited my previous post) they took down the picture of Gordon's brother and his family from facebook. I think Kevin Rankin being on the show is already too much of a spoiler, but we only know from the sides that he's playing Gordon's brother.

Can't wait for new sides, now things are getting interesting.

Forwood4Bamon

what is this show really about?

Roswell Dream Girl

Check out the opening post, Rachel.

Forwood4Bamon

I got it meredith. It sounds good.

northboundtrain

Hey, guys!! I'm back. Let me respond to everything I'm behind on, and then I'll update the first post with the new information.


I hope you're right about SM not wanting to leave -- I just worry that Gordon doesn't have the fanbase that the other characters do...I love him, like I love all of them, but he doesn't seem to have the critical support that Donna/Cameron do, or the fan support that Joe does. And unless this is a mis-diagnosis, how else can it end but with SM leaving (assuming the show gets a S3)? It just looks so bleak.


I was going to go with sickness (like cancer or something), but I don't know that they'd make both Clarks deathly ill at the same time. Pregnancy? Maybe. Even if they haven't been intimate a whole bunch, time is moving slowly this season, so they could have had sex once (maybe before the season began), but because time is moving slowly Donna's just now found out about it.


Yeah, this sounds plausible -- or there could have been some mix-up with the records.


This also seems possible...maybe related to his cocaine use? (I just feel like the coke has to tie into this somehow, because it seems like too much giving him a cocaine problem and CTE.)


That doesn't surprise me, but darnit, they need to make that kind of stuff available for us, too!


Hmmm...could be. Even driving a car wrecklessly could require a double.


I agree with you -- Cameron and Joe, IMO, are attracted to each other because of their similarities just as much as they're attracted to each other because of their differences.


I hope you're right about this. It was horrible watching the ratings reports every week and seeing the numbers. I would love so much for the ratings to increase this season, proving that AMC was right to believe that the show would build up an audience.

It would also make watching S2 so much easier, not having to worry that the writers won't be able to finish the stories in a satisfying way.


All of this sounds really good. What I wonder is what aspect of the computer industry the show would focus on in a possible S3 -- S1 was all about building a PC, and S2 seems to be about connecting people via networks, then what might S3 be about?

I would just like them to all have a project they can build together. The easiest thing would be another try at a PC, but the show might not want to try that again after already doing something similar with the Giant.


Thank you!


OMG...I just see this going so, so badly for everyone except maybe Jacob Wheeler.


Poor Lev.


I'm glad that it looks like the show is fleshing Sara out a bit by showing that she's got stuff in her past that's informing her relationship with Joe.


I like this, too -- people connected with the show last season talked a lot about how Cameron/Joe were unhealthy and dysfunctional, so I think it's a good move to show Cameron in a different kind of relationship, with a different kind of partner.

But, in the end, I don't think Cameron/Tom will work out.


I'm glad NP clarified that.


Thank you -- I will add them to the first post ASAP.


Yay! I just hate that you have to keep paying for them -- if I see them first, I'll pay this time.


I was too late to see the picture, but it sounds like you're right on all of this.


Thanks -- but isn't it frustrating to read about things they cut when we know that the S1 DVD set won't have deleted scenes? Ahhh!


Great detective work -- it sounds like the song fits with the theme of the show, and therefore to Joe/Cameron (either together or separately).

parisredbeatrice

Hey, I'm glad you're back .

Gordon kind of already sounds better in the sides for 207. It's only a small appearance, but he worked on something with the engineers from Cardiff. I think he'll get better and Gordon doesn't have a large fanbase on the web, but I think it's due to demographics. There are more younger people on the internet and I think his character is more popular with an older audience.
I also think it's related to his cocaine use. The doctor warned him in 202 and he still hasn't stopped using.

I think the show will take off this season. Soon it will be on Netflix and it will build it's audience.

I think after this season there will be again some cooperation. The 3 main characters are all doing their own thing this season, next season they will be building something together and the internet will be a big part of it.


There is a casting call for extras for a restaurant scene at the end of March/beginning of April.
I think it's for the scene at the Texan chophouse in 207. There is even one featured role for a business man and this might be Patrick, the man Jacob greets to shortly leave the table. They are filming the scene in the week after next week and I think this has to do with James Cromwell. I guess he will be in 208 as well and they might film his scenes for both epis back to back. So I really hope next week we'll get new sides.

I think they are fleshing out Sara with the information about her past to suggest she had also wanted to get over someone by starting the relationship with Joe. They were kind of using both each other.
Cameron/Tom is more healthy, but it's still early stages, so she isn't that much involved. Something will happend to them too at the end of the season. Maybe something will turn her off (like homophobia, I think there is a reason for the storyline with Lev).
The big problem with Joe/Cameron was always Joe. I still think he started the relationship with Sara also, because he doesn't show any vulnerability with her. It's kind of a safe option for him and Cameron was always the wild card and this scared him.
Cameron is damaged, but was still able to develop a healthy relationship longterm.

northboundtrain

I hope you're right!


Yes, that needs to be dealt with.


I'm so excited for the show's Neflix debut -- I really think that's key to getting the ratings up to where they should be. So many people still have no idea what the show is or what it's about, but maybe they'll be tempted to try it when they see it right their on their Netflix screens.

The other day, AMC released some promo material for Turn -- I feel like we'll get the first HACF promo material next month. Hopefully that'll be the kick-off to a ton more press.


Thank you. I can't believe there's only a few episodes left to film -- only a few more chances to see sides and hear about extras and get behind the scenes pictures. Crazy!


I think it's a great move. This way, she's not just a prop, but more of a character in her own right -- not just a victim of Joe, but someone with her own agenda of sorts.


Ohh, I hadn't thought about that, but I think you're right that the attack on Lev won't just be about the attack, but about the characters' reactions.

Forwood4Bamon

I am more and more excited.

parisredbeatrice

It will be very hard for us when after we get the sides for the finale. We'll be left with a lot of question and will have to wait for the whole season to air.
I hope we'll get some clues in the sides how the season might end. It will be much easier to wait then.


I think too it's a great move. This way Joe won't be the "villain" or the *******. I think they are going for this route. Have you read the sides for 207? They both don't appear to be very much heartbroken. Sara appears just to be afraid what her father might think of her. She doesn't seem to be over that Peter guy.
I wonder if Joe likes Jacob's approval because he never got this from his father. Westgroup = IBM, Jacob = Joe Sr (they seem to have a similar personality, I don't think Jacob will be very likeable).

I also think that Gordon hits rock bottom in 206 (him cheating on Donna, he'll feel very bad about it) and his character always needs it to build himself up again. I think he'll get better after returning from California. Last season it was the same after his breakdown in the Giant.
I'm curious when Joe will see or get to know that Cameron is in a relationship with Tom. Tom notices her reaction to his call and he might start asking questions and act protective. It would make Joe jealous and piss him off.

The 2 Chrises wrote episode 207. I think it's an important episode if they wrote it.

northboundtrain

I agree...I wonder if we'd be able to tell from the sides if they're wrapping things up just in case they don't get a S3 or if they're starting new stories because they're optimistic that they will.


I just did -- I agree with you that Joe/Sara don't seem heartbroken at all...Sara seems to want the break-up, and the only reason she didn't say anything was because she's scared of her father's reaction, not because she still loves Joe.


Oh, yeah, I think Joe has serious issues where his father or any father-like figure is concerned, and I absolutely think that the writers are going to play around with that in his relationship with Jacob.


That Gordon scene in the state trooper script is so disconcerting. I guess on the previous page he mentioned Joe, then immediately forgot he even said Joe's name? No wonder the Cardiff guys were confused.

Ugh. I'm so worried about his story.


I'm curious about this too. I thought it very telling that as soon as she and Tom are having a moment of levity, Joe calls and interrupts it. What I can't figure out, though, is if Cameron's reaction is solely because of her worry about the Mutiny deal, or if it's also about Joe to a degree, and that just hearing his voice shakes her up.

I expect Tom will want to be there when Joe comes over the next day with the offer.


I agree with you...last season, they only wrote the first two episodes (to establish things) and then the finale. The fact that they're writing 207 seems significant. I wonder if it's just because of the attack on Lev (which they may have wanted to handle themselves) or if it's because of other plot lines coming to a head.

On the subject of the writers, I'm glad to see that we now have confirmation that the entire S1 writing staff returned -- I was worried after last season that maybe AMC would try to get them to bring in new writers to "fix" the ratings, but it doesn't seem like that's happened (though, of course, we do have a slew of new directors).

parisredbeatrice

I think they'll will wrap up things similar to season 1, but still with a lot of potential and open questions for season 3.
I'll check Twitter everyday when the show is on Netflix. A lot of people are catching up.

There is no sadness there, they are just very sober. It's kind of like they sobered up and aren't fooling themselves anymore. Neither Sara who wants out nor Joe who only seems to worry about his career again.

I found an old quote from Maud&Danny, because she called it back then, that Sara is fooling herself too.
And in 207 when Tom/Cameron are having a nice moment, Joe interrupts them and destroys it. Everything is leading to Joe/Cameron again.
They made Aleksa Palladino a series regular, because we need to see from episode to episode how their relationship shifts from that hallmark moment in 201 to them totally sobered up and realistic.

It's interesting, because I didn't read it that way, but you might be right. This is why I love discussing the sides. Everyone notices and infers something different.
I thougt the engineers were surprised to hear about Joe. Like they knew something about him and didn't know it was him. But your interpretation makes more sense, also Gordon is drinking again which I didn't notice the last time. He shakes his empty beer bottle. Ok, I'm now less optimistic about him. I think there is a big showdown and confrontation coming for Gordon/Donna and Joe/Cameron where a lot of truths will be told and hurt feelings will be revealed (love also ).

I think it's more about him telling her Westgroup wants to buy Mutiny. The contact is already established in 205 and there will be surely an interaction between them in 206 too. I think it will feel like an ambush for her after she slowly starting trusting him again. He understands her reaction that's why he is reassuring her ("it's a good thing, I swear"). I don't think Joe is trying to trick her there, but I don't think Jacob is a fair player.
I think it's already the setup for some kind of choice for Joe: Westgroup/Jacob (ambition) or Cameron (love). For Cameron the choice might be between Tom (stability and no risk of hurting) and Joe (love, but possibly hurt again).
I agree, Tom will want to be there when Joe comes with the offer. There will be some kind of confrontation between them and maybe Tom will pick up that something is/was going between Joe/Cam. I hope it's still in 207. We don't know what happens in act 5.

I'm glad too, I liked the writing in season 1. Jonathan Lisco said at TCA they are looking at pacing in season 2 and this was a bit of problem especially in the finale. I like that not much time passes in season 2. As soon as Joe is back in Dallas and working at Westgroup he is back to his old ways. The new persona and his relationship with Sara isn't working.

They are starting to shoot 207 tomorrow according to this tweet from Kevin Ross. I hope we'll get the new sides soon.

parisredbeatrice

New sides are up. A lot of them . Getting them.

CODER Westrgoup (script side 43, so this might be towards the end): Sara and Joe seem to be in a better place again. They are to about to have sex there when some young guy goes to Joe's old place and Joe is curious what is going on there. There seem to be some kind of celebration. When he goes there he sees a group of young coders celebrating. He notices a computer screen with an internet service just like Mutiny's. They are to launch some new service called the WestNet. Joe's heart begins to race and he leaves the room without anyone noticing him.

So Jacob is really a rattle snake, I think Cameron doesn't want to sell and he is copying her service. This is where Joe's loyalty might get tested. On whose side is he?

Gretchen, a young girl who is Mutiny costumer, she is grateful for Mutiny and wants to thank Cameron personally at a party at Mutiny. The other stuff in short (I will be updating again, because so much is in those sides). Apparently Joe and Sara are leaving Dallas, they go to celebrate and take some pills/drugs. Tom wanted Cameron to sell, but Joe told her not to sell and it disappoints Tom that she listened to Joe. Stan apparently with Ed and Larry (?) stole some idea from Gordon.

Guest, he already appears in the sides for Gretchen. Not buying them twice .

Jesse, scene 10 (before the end of act 1), Wheeler's office, Joe enters the room. Jesse is 25, slick, smart and hungry, Joe 10 years ago. Joe was on honeymoon with Sara (damnit I hate it). Gordon helped Joe with the hardware. He is coming later by to walk Jesse through it. Joe gets a bit jealous at the end. Jesse and Jacob are living his dream. Ok, I read the sides again. I don't think they got married. Joe said: We went on our honeymoon, out west, sort of scouting it out.

Jumpercable a community user who is a the party. He proposes to a girl who he met on in the community. Very touching, Donna sheds some tears. Cameron as the leader of Mutiny (Donna's introduction) makes a small speech at the party. The scene afterwards is at Joe's and Sara's apartment. They have packed everything up and are moving to California. Joe looks at some at some real estate listing. There is a house and Joe says there is the room where Sara will write the book which will get her the Pulitzer price. Oh, and Lev returned to Mutiny .

Seamus a Mutiny customer. Appears already in the sides for Gretchen. Not buying his sides.

Squirrelgirl the girl Jumpercable proposes too.

Veteran. a guest at the Mutiny party. A Korean war veteran, Bosworth is talking to him before he sees his son James arriving to the party.

Young man A guest at the Mutiny party. He pictured Donna as fat, really fat.

Maud&Danny

Joe and Sara having sex?

WTH???? Everyone is taking drugs now?

Ok, I see where this could go. Tom is going to see Cameron is still listening to Joe and still somehow loyal and that's the moment their relationship is going to start going down to the toiler XD

parisredbeatrice

They are on drugs. So this is comforting, but I hate the ****ing rest. I knew the sides for last episode where to good to be true.