catkirk7

No one was using it as an argument against Luke. The only people who seemed to think it was some horrible thing were the people arguing the point.

Tara Ashley

I know- that's who I am directing it at!

wej5541

Title Suggestion and vote:
"A Spoiler a Day Would Keep the Fighting Away"

Tara Ashley

Love it!

Nadine

Stealing my siggy there j/k

lancer1993

I know it's early but I'll vote for this one

Sandlynn

I think you misunderstood her.

Always happy to entertain.

caf123

From "Forgiveness and Stuff":

Luke: LUKE: Did I mention you come here every damn day?

He was talking to lorelai of course, but it was also true of Rory. What other SH child ate daily at the diner? Also, what other child was quite so ... unchildish? Rory was written to be special and to stand out, from the start.

I don't even know if it would be an argument against Luke? Perhaps it would - using a child to get to its mother isn't very attractive.

But we have seen time and time again that Luke has a genuine interest in and closeness to Rory, separately from Lorelai. What's so hard to understand about that?

The main objection to that silly idea has been that it simply isn't true. It's not what the show has shown. Not at all.

Some posters don't always let the facts get in the way of their arguments, lol.

Eh, thinking back to the first few seasons, Rory actually stood out somewhat in Stars Hollow, all by herself. I think she made herself visible (perhaps because she's one of the two leads in the show. Or was then. Where she's got to now, only the writers know.)

I guess if she and Lorelai reminesce about about Luke meant to them, at least it's another Rory scene. Oy.

lancer1993

Well we must have learnt that from the show runner, not worried about fact getting in the way of a bad SL in ep 7.07.

Luke does love Rory more than other "kids" in town, whether that was to get into Lorelai's pants does it matter, NO! He didn't do anything about it for 8 frakken years, until the time was right. Does he love her more now, well yes. He was as close to her mother as anyone can get and she was expecting Luke to be her step dad.

Yes he loves them both, he is in denial right now just as much as Lorelai is, something will happen to get them both out of the denial stage and back together.

Maybe someone should ask Ausiello if he has any spoilers on L&L getting back as a couple, 'cause right now the only things we know is C&L break up and L&L get closer but does that mean as a couple?

And how will all this affect Rory and just about everyone one the show?

Tara Ashley

Is that directed at me?

caf123

Great title! Can you bring it forward again when we get to titles? Thanks.

catkirk7

And some don't let the actual posts get in the way of theirs. It's not a matter of "using" Rory to "get into Lorelai's pants" and it was never meant as a dis on Luke. Just a statement of fact that Luke's interest in Lorelai put Rory on his radar and led to his caring for her. It's not a bad thing. It's not an insult.

Tara Ashley

I understand, and I agree. Sorry- I think I misunderstood; I thought people were viewing this as a Luke character flaw.

caf123

Never saw that. Not sure how you can say it's a "fact" when in fact it's opinion. The show never presented it that way. Lol.

Luke and Rory actually connected more as a result of Rory's relationship with Jess. You don't think having a 17-year-old necking with your nephew upstairs puts her on your radar? Especially an old-fashioned overly concerned guy like Luke.

Not taking it as an insult. Simply pointing out it's wrong. Remember when we used to spec about characters' motivations? Made for some good discussions.

catkirk7

You didn't take it as an insult?

Sorry. I shouldn't use the word "fact" I guess. It just seems clear to me that Rory became important to Luke because of his connection with Lorelai. Not solely because of Lorelai. If she was bratty I would imagine he wouldn't have cared for her like he does. But the initial motivation to get to know a child came from his interest in Lorelai, to me.


Except that she was already on his radar. We didn't see any great interest in Shane. He was worried about Rory dating Jess because he already cared about her.