drunkalice

Me too

Oh God the fandom can be so negative (particularly to Karen). Ben was a grown man, and you could see how even his wife was super supportive of that story too - no one blamed her though, just Karen. His personal story speaks for him and even when he was kicked out of the paper he couldn't wait to write about it somewhere else. It was super touching to see how his wife didn't blame Karen for a second, her words brought me to tears tbh but I guess the anti Karens know better

Musidora

I cried when Ben's wife spoke to her too, it was heartbreaking, and so sweet of her. You could tell Ben admired Karen by the way his wife treated her.

Karen got the short end of the stick on a lot of things - people gave her sht about getting between Matt and Foggy (which she never did), they blamed her for Ben's death (which obviously was not her fault), and with Claire being a love interest for Matt as well, they'd constantly belittle Karen, acting like she was nothing but a damsel in distress (which LOL so far from the truth I can't even). I'm very protective of Karen, and I think she's a wonderful, layered character. The fact that she's Matt's love interest does not diminish her story in the least. She's way more than just the hero's girlfriend, she's a fighter.

drunkalice

I totally agree. They could have easily gone with the pretty secretary trope but they actually built up another heroine who was fighting against the bad guy with her own weapons, which aren't superpowers but steadiness and courage. I swear I even read someone hates her for killing Wesley. The fact that Wesley was actually trying to buy off her talent and silence instead of killing her, plus threatening to kill her loved ones if she refused doesn't seem to touch her haters' minds, for which she's still both stupid and murderous.
As for her coming between couples, it's far from her fault. Matt and Foggy love each other deeply but they aren't gay for each other, which Karen can hardly do anything about. Nor did she hurt Foggy in any way?? Or I watched a different show MC were a mistake to begin with imo. If the writers intend to kill off Karen before the series finale and pair Matt with Claire afterwards I'm fine with it, but by developing a romantic relationship between Matt and Claire when Karen was already alive and in the picture they pissed off both the Clairedevil and the Karedevil shippers for their own and different reasons alike.
Personally I think Karen is a gift and I'll hardly ever change my mind

Musidora

Because obviously she shouldn't have done what she had to in order to save the lives of the people she loved, nor her own life.

I can't at the level of delusion of some of these people.


I think they went with MC as well just so they'd have more options - Matt is a ladies' man after all - since most people know Matt/Karen is the main love story.

drunkalice

From the way Charlie worded it it seemed like they were trying to pave MK's path in a way that wasn't what everyone expected from reading the comics, though I think they were also trying to keep more options open like you said. It's hard to tell because I'm not sure comics!Claire has someone she ends up with, so everything's possible. But I really hate that Karen can't seem to do anything right because someone ships Matt with others. In JJ Jessica screws up big time with a certain person (not going to spoil this to anyone) but she's getting almost no hate, I'm guessing because she's ruining no endgame dream. Neither should get any hate because they're written as flawed human beings and that's pretty much it as far as I'm concerned.

albion_princess

TFTNT!

I didn't know that.

Karen doesn't deserve any hate, especially if it's because she's getting the way of their ship. Seriously me right off.

I like Matt/Claire and Matt/Karen and even if I didn't I think hating a character for the reason is pretty stupid.

From the previous thread cos everyone was busy while I was

I love these that scene and I loved how the balloon was still in there in the background. Even though I was too distracted by half-naked Matt the first time I watched it.

I also definitely disagree with Claire about Charlie's black costume. I'm really going to miss it.

I also love that hug. Such a wonderful moment between the two of them.

drunkalice

I'm sure we all are! I'm not into superhero costumes in general, then again I'm usually not into superheroes.

After reading a review I noticed the staging MK often have:









Apparently she first broke it by entering in Matt's space in this scene



I love me some clever cinematography!

albion_princess

I never noticed that.

Also a great excuse to a post a few gifs.

drunkalice

All excuses are good to post gifs

albion_princess

Exactly.

drunkalice

Also I finally traced a fanvideo I thought I'd lost forever or was removed! How does one post videos on ? anyway it's here:

the world fell apart | matt+Karen [daredevil]

Musidora

That's how I interpreted as well.

Love that video.


And I love the gifs showing how their scenes are shot, people have a great eye for that stuff, all I notice is whether the scene looks cool/nicely shot or not.

drunkalice

Same it's fascinating that people actually work at that, and costume departments also have couples wear matching clothes as well, it's amazing!

This talented lady made another MK gifset:





http://corkwoood.tumblr.com/post/134...but-somehow-he

albion_princess

Wonderful video and amazing gifs.

And to post a video YouTube on you need to: [YT] letters and numbers after the = [/ YT] There's also a button (or whatever they're called) at the top next to the Twitter one.

drunkalice

Thank you, I was starting to feel like an idiot