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POETRY

Sweetie


**Jessica**
B/A is real gross
It's putrid and disgusting
Like moldy jell-o

Scythe
She was so young
he in no need of a lung
but then there were tongues
the whole thing was no fun.

Cloudburst2000
I'm a paedophile
Let's date for a while
Sleep with me
Little girlie
I'll lose my soul
When around the bed we roll
I'll hunt you and your friends
Then get sent to hell in the end
I'll come back soul and all
But off to L.A. I will haul
'Cause I can't sleep with you
What else is a horny vamp to do?
I'll come around now and then
To kiss you again and again
And then say
'Sorry, but we can only be friends'
For this is twu luve, I say
Even though I'm really gay.
Hmm...maybe Wesley will come out and play.

Lil'Mims
The B/A Show (to the tune of Itchy & Scratchy)
"They kissed,
we gagged,
poked our eyes out
and we screamed.
It's so bad, oh so baaaaad!
The B/A bleh bleh Shooooooooooooow!"

LivingDeadDoll
Eternal Lollipop (from Angel's P.O.V.)
You took my breath away when I first saw you
And if it would beat, you would make my heart stop.
I knew you were my true soulmate, my one love
Watching from the bushes as you sucked on a lollipop.
Oh, if I only I could be that cherry-sweet confection
Gliding along your adolescent tongue with ease.
Some may cry "Molester!" or call me Woody Allen,
But I need your love, I'm begging on my knees.
My cookie-dough sweetheart, my jail-bait lover
Kiss me now, but please don't tell your mom
She'll try to stop you from giving me your love,
But I do so want to take you to your senior prom.
I adore you with all of my undead, eternal being
When you're laying in my arms, my world's at peace.
I could spend eternity making love to you, my dear
Just lie about your age to the police.

and

Lover, Too Late (Angel's P.O.V.)
I loved you within every inch of my soul
You brought me into the light
To flee unforgiving night
Where the darkness would swallow me whole.
You told me that from you I needn't hide
You are everything good
While alone you have stood
And I wish I could be by your side.
I would have stayed by you, using any means
Lover, don't grieve
But I have to leave
Because Wesley looks better in jeans.
I thought I was straight - I guess I was wrong
I found out the truth
That I was a fruit
When I first saw Spike in a thong.
You are so beautiful, a goddess as Venus
You were my love
My one turtle dove
It's just too bad you don't have a penis.



Our Purpose: To let Joss know that not everyone supports B/A... Oh and to let everyone else know that B/A suck a lot.

Rules: The only rule here is to not support B/A. Also, we don't bash any other couple here but B/A. There are threads for other couple bashing. Anyone who doesn't support B/A is welcome to post. Trolls, however, are NOT welcome.


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The Ultimate B/A Parody

Why is this the 'ultimate parody' of the B/A relationship? Because this parody comes directly from the episode ?Fredless? from Angel so we did not make it up. And that is what makes it so ultimate because even the show's writers were making fun of the B/A ship. And kudos to JanineW for posting this scene

Fred: "So - now that she's alive again, are they gonna get back together? Angel and that girl with the goofy name?"

Wes: "Well - *Fred* - that's a difficult question. I think it's fair to say - no. Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also 'nuh-uh.'"

Fred: "But you said he loved her. And of course she's gonna love him back, because he's so strong and handsome and he really listens when you talk. I-I mean, if you go for that sort of thing, why wouldn't it work?"

Cordy: "Let me break it down for you, Fred."
She steps away from the reception counter and pretends to be Buffy, overdramatic voice and actions.

Cordy: "Oh - Angel! I know that I'm a Slayer and you a vampire - and it would be impossible for us to be together - but!"

Gunn laughs at Cordy's act.

Wes: (standing up) "But!"

Cordy turns to look at him. Wes pulls his glasses off and lays them to the side.

Wes: (pretending to be Angel) "My gypsy curse sometimes prevent me from seeing the truth. Oh, Buffy!"

Cordy: "Yes, Angel?"

Wes: "Oh, I love you so much I almost forgot to brood!"

Fred watches wide-eyed. Gunn is laughing.

Cordy: "And just because I sent you to hell that one time doesn't mean that we can't just be friends!"

Wes grabs a hold of Cordy's wrist.

Cordy: "Oh!"

Wes: "Or possibly more."

Cordy: "Gasp! No! We mustn't."

Wes pulls Cordy close.

Wes: "Kiss me."

Cordy: "Bite me!"

Wes bends Cordy back over his arm and pretends to sink his fangs into her neck.

Angel: (off screen) "How about you both bite me."




Bangel Parodies by the always awesome Yoda-Mira
and let's thank Cati for offering to host the parodies on her site after the first links died



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sum1's parodies:

Parody of BTVS season 1 episode Angel:

Buffy faces off against Angel, crossbow aimed at him.

Angel: Hey, don't shoot! I'm a vampire with a soul! Well, most of the time. Sometimes, it pops out and I have to pop it back in again.
Buffy: A vampire with a soul? How lame is that?
Angel: I know, it's really depressing. Why do you think I spend all my time brooding? It's much more fun when it pops out. Then I get to say nasty things and make fun of people.
Buffy: Ooh, scary.
Angel: But I didn't bite your mom, that was Darla. I drink pigs blood, not human.
Buffy: Pigs blood? Gross! And so totally uncool. And I know you didn't bite my mom. She could have beat you up easily.
Angel: But then why did you smash me out the window? Why the crossbow?
Buffy: Do you have any idea how bad that kiss was?


This one's inspired by what Angel said in IWRY about B/A: "It's more than confusing, it's unbearable."

Angel: Uhhhhh...
Buffy: What?
Angel: I'm too soulful to tell you.
Buffy: We've got a communication barrier.
Angel: Yeah, we can't understand each other at all.
Buffy: We just stand around with stupid expressions on our faces and say stupid fake sounding things and there's no connection whatsoever.
Angel: And no chemistry. I mean chemistry like romance chemistry, not science chemistry. But you knew that...
Buffy: So what's our relationship all about?
Angel: Beats me. Maybe it's about brooding? Or being depressed or something? I know a lot about that stuff.
Buffy: It's confusing.
Angel: It's more than confusing, it's unbearable.
Buffy: Wow. We must be really in love.
Angel: Tragic.
Buffy: Forbidden immortal love.
Spike: Sodding hell, I think I'm going to barf.


Parody of BTVS season 7 B/A reunion:

Buffy: "Are you going to show up and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?"
Angel: "Ah hah. Boyfriend."
Buffy: "He's not. But... He is in my heart. Well... really, he is my boyfriend, but I'm not supposed to admit it on the show."
Angel: "That will end well."
Buffy: "The show? I doubt it. It seems to be turning into a real mess. I mean, look at this stupid reunion..."
Angel: "Well, yeah... why do I have to come all the way from LA just to hear you going on about cookie dough?"
Buffy: "Hey! That wasn't my idea! They made me say all that stuff!"
Angel: "You think that's bad? You should hear some of the stuff we have to say on my show!"
Buffy: "So? We've had all sorts of nonsense here. Theres's been a concerted effort to mess up my relationship with Spike. It's like he's not politically correct or something."
Angel: "Well, I was so much better for you, anyway. I'm the Champion, after all."
Buffy: "Riiiight. At least Spike cares. He loves me. And I love him. But I'm not supposed to say so." (Looks around nervously for B/A shippers.)
Angel: "Heeeeey! We had a great relationship! I mean, remember the sex?"
Buffy: "What was the highlight of our relationship... when you broke up with me or when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh... when I broke up with you. I mean, that was good. I really liked it when you got all broken up about it. That was fun. You're real funny sometimes, you know?" (Points finger at her and laughs.)
Buffy: "You didn't like it when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh..." (scratches his head) "not really."
Buffy: "Well, I sure did."

Buffy in Wolfram and Hart:

Buffy arrives in Wolfram and Hart. She wanders around, looking for anybody she knows and sees Angel. He's standing in a dark corner, talking to himself. His back is turned to her.

Angel: I'm a vampire with... without a brain? No, that's not it... without a soul? No, with a soul? What's the difference? Hmmmm. The difference is... I've got a soul and I'm depressed about it. That's it! I'm depressed.
Buffy: Angel?
Angel: Leave me alone! I'm brooding!
(Pulls a mirror out of his pocket -he stubbornly refuses to admit to himself he doesn't show up in it.) I'm called "Angel" because I look like one. (Checks his hair.) Do I? (Grimaces gloomily into the mirror, then turns around to Buffy.) Do I look like an Angel to you?
Buffy: You look like you've too much time on your hands!
Angel: Are you baked?
Buffy: Baked?! What sort of kinky question is that?
Angel: I mean, like... cookies.
Buffy: Huh? Are you feeling alright? Too much sun? Well, artificial sun. Or whatever.
Angel: I mean, like in our talk before Spike blew up Sunnydale.
Buffy: Oh, that. I wasn't serious. Just joking with you. Little bit of pre-apocalyptic humor, you know?
Angel: But but but you said maybe...
Buffy: Yeah, maybe. It's called a polite brush-off. You didn't really think I'd get involved with a guy who sits in the corner all day brooding about his soul and his hair? Been there, done that. I'm not a kid anymore. Maybe you should grow up too.
Angel: But but but... I'm the champion!
Buffy: Funny, the way I remember it, it was another vampire with a soul who sacrificed himself to save the world. Where is he?
Angel: Spike?! You want to see him?!
Buffy: Of course not, I'm looking for The Master and I want to ask him out on a date! Of course I'm looking for Spike! Who else? Really, Angel you can be quite stupid at times. Well, most times.
Angel: Spike's not here! He never showed up here and he hasn't been hanging around here and he hasn't been driving me up the wall! Really, he isn't here! I'm telling the truth! I am! Would I ever lie to you?
(Enter Spike, sauntering over confidently.)
Spike: Well, look who's here! If it isn't the Slaaaayer!
Buffy: One of the Slayers.
Spike: Oh, yeah, the Slayer mass production thing. Assembly line and all that. But there's only one Slayer for me.
(Buffy and Spike walk off together, leaving Angel behind, throwing a tantrum.)
Spike (whispering): Am I supposed to keep sodding pretending I think you don't love me?
Buffy (whispering back): Only as long as Angel's listening. We don't want him to tell certain people out there that I love you. Top secret. It's all about avoiding World War 3. I mean, apocalypses I'm ok with, but world wars...
Spike: Oh, of course! Let's go someplace depresso-hair won't find us.
(Exit Buffy and Spike, arm in arm.)


Buffy finds out about Angel having sex with Eve on ATS:

Buffy: You were having sex with somebody called Eve? Who did you think you were? Adam?
Angel: Adam? As in the biblical guy?
Buffy: (sarcastically) No, as in the demon cyborg under Sunnydale U!
Angel: Huh??!
Buffy: That was season 4. You weren't there. I mean, except when you were stalking me or beating up my new boyfriend. For my own good, of course. Adam was a bit like you. Big and dead, lots of ego, not a lot of charm. But smarter.
Angel: You were going out with him too?!
Buffy: Are you crazy!!!
Angel: But you were going out with that other robot guy -Wiley or something.
Buffy: Riley!! And he wasn't a robot!
Angel: Coulda fooled me.
Buffy: And he wasn't dead. Adam was dead.
Angel: But I'm dead.
Buffy: Not enough.

Parody set sometime in the future:

(Sometime in the future. Buffy, older and wiser, is training a class of apprentice Slayers.)
Buffy: "Ok, you get your stake..."
Apprentice: "Steak?! But I'm a vegetarian!"
Buffy: "Stake as in wooden, not meat!"
Apprentice: "Oh..."
Buffy: (To class) "And you stick it in the vampire's heart."
Apprentice: "Where's the heart?"
Buffy: (Muttering under her breath) "God, why me?"
(The phone rings in the next room.)
Buffy: (To apprentice) "Get that, will you?"
(Apprentice runs and gets the phone.
Buffy continues with the class. A while later, the apprentice returns.)
Apprentice: "There's a guy on the phone for you. He says he's a vampire with a soul."
Buffy: (Brightening up, excited, enthusiastic) "A vampire with a soul?!"
Apprentice: "Yeah. He kept going on about how he's a champion and he helps the helpless."
Buffy: "Oh, that jerk! Tell him I'm not here."


Parody of a scene from BTVS season 3 ep Revelations:

(The parody parts are in bold print. The rest is the real scene.)

Nighttime. In Angel's mansion, Buffy and Angel are kissing, while Xander watches through a window. Buffy and Angel break away from each other suddenly, with alarmed, awkward expressions.

Buffy: Oh God, what am I doing?! What are you doing?
Angel: I don't know!
Buffy: Yeah, I noticed. In all your time with Darla, how come she didn't teach you how to kiss properly? I mean, that was awful! Shame on you!
(Buffy walks away past Angel.)
Buffy: Oh God, ah -I don't even know why I came back here! I mean, you're dull, we've zero connection... and even the sex was awful. The one time we did it, I mean.
Angel: But the sex was great! Perfect happiness!
Buffy: For you, you dolt! But for me it was so bad that I took half a year recovering! I had to run away for the summer to get over it!
Angel: You didn't have sex with somebody else, did you?! I mean, you're not comparing, are you?!
Buffy: No, of course not! After that experience, I couldn't even think of sex without barfing! Well, except when I was thinking about sex with Spike. But he was being faithful to Dru. And he said adults having sex with underage minors is wrong.
Angel: He did?! That's disgusting! He's prejudiced against minors! Soulless creep! I'm not like that. I've got a soul.
Buffy: Yeah, when it's not popping out.
Angel: Well, I used lots of duct tape, so it probably won't pop out now.
Buffy: Good for you, but I still don't know what I'm doing here, with you. Why did I come here?
(Angel moves to stop Buffy from leaving -she was starting to put on her coat. Meanwhile, he's talking.)
Angel: Uh...uh...ah ...it's good you did. I think I have what you're looking for. I think I can give you what you want.
Buffy: I doubt it. A relationship? All you can give me is a cheap soppy cliche romance. Waaaay overdone, too. Nothing real. I can't even talk to you, you're just soulful stares and brooding. And you're no good at kissing. And even if the sex was any good... well, we can't do it or you'll lose your soul and start killing fish and puppies again.
Angel: But, I've got lots of duct tape this time!
Buffy: Forget it.
Angel: But I've got a gift for you!!
Buffy: Really?
Angel: Here. Look.
(Angel takes her by the hand to a pile of rags on a stone slab.)
Buffy: Great. Just, wherever this was gift wrapped, remind me not to shop there.
Angel: I wrapped it myself. I thought it looked pretty that way.
Buffy: Oh God, you've got absolutely no taste, do you? What is it?
Angel: The glove of Myneghon.
(He opens the rags to reveal a spooky-looking gauntlet.)
Buffy: The world's ugliest fashion accessory.
(She reaches to touch it, Angel stops her hand.)
Angel: Don't. Once you put it on, the glove can never be removed.
Buffy: So, no touching, kinda like us. Or like I wish we were, I mean.
Angel: Heeeey! Hold on!
Buffy: No way! Last time I held on, you had your perfect happy and then... you murdered Willow's fish. So no holding on to it! No touching it! No happy! You hold onto it. I'll tell Giles in the morning. At least he'll be happy.
Angel: Him and peeping Xander.
Buffy: Giles and Xander together?!
Angel: That's not what I meant, but... at least that would be better than us together.
Buffy: Anything would be better than us together.


In memory of Cordelia:

Angel: My show got cancelled! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
Spike: It's your own bloody fault.
Angel: But I'm the Champion! It couldn't be my fault!
Spike: Get over yourself, you wanker. The Powers That sodding Be must have been p!ssed about the way way you find it so easy to forget the woman you're supposed to be in love with.
Angel: Which one?
Spike: That too.



Anti List

1. Suzanne Evans
2. Buffypurple12
3. Plaplet
4. starlightMint
5. Hypergirl9897
6. Luckystar23
7. jengarnerfan (Elisha)
8. Love Everbody
9. *Sweetie* (Jen)
10. Rockstar
11. Beep103
12. Platelet
13. Redwillow
14. Special_K
15. Slayer*fiend
16. Kamini Kamna
17. LivingDeaddoll
18. SassyDaydreambeliever
19. Denise
20. Switch
21. ~annie~
22. MiseryLovesCompany
23. Juliette_K
24. algernonsidney
25. Yoda-Mira
26. Tyeshia
27. Eddy
28. kylara
29. PollyZ
30. BuffyRules03
31. BuffX
32. Doogie
33. Andysgirl
34. xallyx
35. mistakency
36. DarkB
37. Krissyk77
38. DawsonsRealJoey
39. Kid Vicious
40. Shortstuff
41. ~Melody~
42. Skizzie
43. Bloody Awful
44. missdini
45. Oz Lover
46. VampireVixenV
47. Cloudburst 2000
48. Flamegirl
49. DaeDae
50. Xextremex
51. Gwenster
52. *~SpikesLilAngel~*(Marisa)
53. Geniey2k
54. katesarama
55. marajade21
56. taterbug
57. progirl
58. buffster&spikey
59. ~*satine*~
60. Cati
61. JanineW
62. Eye of Botox
63. **Jessica**
64. Jay_10
65. Jonnys Girl
66. Tara07
67. HollyDolly
68. nirvana1
69. Lil'Mims
70. The Pea
71. GoddessGlory_2001
72. Mithvingiel
73. Frelling Talk
74. Shortstuff
75. goldenpuppies at heart
76. fictionfan
77. faeriefolk
78. SunShy
79. elrithiel
80. Devoted
81. Sparked N' Ensouled
82. .*.~.Laura.~.*.
83. Spike's sunflower
84. Sir Fireboard
85. Egyptian Pixie
86. WillowTaraPhoebe
87. Bheryandcherry
88. BabeWithAttitude
89. sum1
90. Willow_Witch
91. Jaime Bee
92. LittleMisfit
93. ~Taylor~
94. SydneySummers
95. That Zeppo Girl
96. xmag
97. Charisma_Lover
98. that_70s_gurl101
99. Silver_Sparkle
100. antisocial
101. Biznitch
102. Cite des Anges
103. MarstersAngel (Jennifer)
104. Cordy Chase
105. Spuffy4Life
106. PetiteMiel
107. Eternal Love
108. Dazzling
109. Tarhiliel
110. *SheLovesOrlando*
111. CanonsAreWorthless
112. racerkatbat
113. B/Slover
114. Erika J.
115. Storywise
116. MissGranger
117. Vamps Bite
118. Delirious Belle
119. AuntEverest


Used Titles (Buffy forum):

Anti-B/A #1: Because Angel and Buffy moved on.
Anti-B/A #2: Because when they kiss we ALL wanna die.
Anti-B/A #3: Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also nu-uh.
Anti-B/A #4: Buffy and Angel reunion? That should be boring.
Anti-B/A #5: Because the reunion was so funny we laughed all week *points and laughs*
Anti-B/A #6: Because even Joss was mocking them.
Anti-B/A #7: Because we can't look at cheese the same way again.
Anti-B/A #8: Buffy and Angel forever? For their sake I hope not.
Anti-B/A #9: ?
Anti-B/A #10: ?
Anti-B/A #11: Angel: "I don't get you." And we've been saying that how long?
Anti-B/A #12: Enoughy with Anuffy!
Anti-B/A #13: Because we grew up, and so did they.
Anti-B/A #14: Transcendant? More like transparent.
Anti-B/A #15: Because it falls under the 8th amendment-no cruel or unusual punishment.
Anti-B/A #16: "How's if ever? Does if ever work for you?"
Anti-B/A #17: Angel: "That's great. It's nice -- you moved on."
Anti-B/A #18: See this number, Angel? *That's* the legal age.
Anti-B/A #19: Buffy *WHINE* Angel *BROOD*
Anti-B/A #20: ?
Anti-B/A #21: ?
Anti-B/A #22: "When you kiss me, I wanna die" and that's a good thing, how?
Anti-B/A #23: Buffy didn't have time for him even when it was the end of the world.
Anti-B/A #24: Angel's kiss was so bad that Buffy ran straight into Spike's arms
Anti-B/A #25: They'd be like an arranged marriage.They barely know each other anymore!
Anti-B/A #25: Because Angel spent months at the bottom of the ocean and Buffy didn't care!
Anti-B/A #26: It's so bad it's funny. rotfl
Anti-B/A #27: Boreanaz on Angel's true love: I think that question has really yet to be answered.
Anti-B/A #27: Bye Buffy, love you, thanks for the sex!
Anti-B/A #28: Buffy was unable to say "I love you" to Angel


Used Titles (Angel forum):

Anti-B/A #1: Because I need some water to down all that cheese.
Anti-B/A #2: B/A = Boring Angst
Anti-B/A #3: Because Buffy has no desire to be with Angel
Anti-B/A #3: Joss on Chosen: B/A left their relationship at the graveyard
Anti-B/A #4: Forever just got a hell of a lot shorter


Title Suggestions:

Anti B/A #*: Buffy isn't they most beautiful woman he's ever seen, Cordy is.
Anti B/A #*: Because we've taken over ME and have it our way.
Anti-B/A #*: God, we really REALLY didn't miss this.
Anti-B/A #*: Because we're sick and tired of the constant whining.
Anti-B/A #*: Because Buffy likes Spike's pink thong better.
Anti-B/A #*: Because it's SO over! Do we need to spell it out?
Anti-B/A #*: Because their relationship wasn't a so-called fairytale.
Anti-B/A #*: Been there, done that.
Anti-B/A #*: Their relationship was nothing but fantasy.
Anti-B/A #*: We've moved on. Why can't they?
Anti-B/A #*: They're as transcendent as cookie dough.
Anti-B/A #*: Months later, we're still laughing.
Anti-B/A #*: Death, tears & destruction. Sounds like a healthy relationship to me.
Anti-B/A #*: Like a fairytale. Unreal.
Anti-B/A #*: Because Buffy chose Riley over Angel...*RILEY*
Anti-B/A #*: Because they always look constipated when they're together.
Anti-B/A #*: The look of constipated lurrvvee.
Anti-B/A #*: Twu wuv? Truly disgusting is more like it.
Anti-B/A #*: Because that ship has sunk.
Anti-B/A #*: Angel lips! Lips of Angel! What was I thinking?!
Anti-B/A #*: Their relationship didn't transcend lust.
Anti-B/A #*: We think IWRY is forgettable and so does Angel! (Not Fade Away)
Anti-B/A #*: The show won't fade away but B/A sure did!
Anti-B/A #*: Because Buffy chose the Immortal over Angel
Anti-B/A #*: Because Angel doesn't even know the color of Buffy's eyes
Anti-B/A #*: David Boreanaz on B/A: There's no reason to go back.
Anti-B/A #*: Because we don't believe in digging up corpses!
Anti-B/A #*: If Angel loves Buffy, why was he pining for CORDY for two seasons?
Anti-B/A #*: Because Buffy forgot to call Angel after she was resurrected
Anti-B/A #*: Because Angel had to tell Buffy to look happy to see him
Anti-B/A #*: Because a couple kisses over multiple seasons doesn't equal a relationship
Anti-B/A #*: Two kisses in five years. Yeah, that's a loving relationship.
Anti-B/A #*: Five conversations in five years. Now that's communication.
Anti-B/A #*: Because B/A is so sacred Joss replaced Sarah with a stunt double for the kiss!



Anti B/A Quotes

--DB: Buffy's pretty much out of the picture. They've played their storyline and that's just the past. Buffy's just the past.
--Inteviewer: I'm a Buffy/Angel fan. Sorry.
DB: You're forgiven. No, I'm just saying that the two shows are on different networks and it's not gonna happen. There's no more story there for those two. Buffy isn't Angel's priority anymore. In season one and two of our show, she was always in the back of his mind, well, now it's all about the baby and Buffy is just, well, she's just a person he used to know.
Inteviewer: Awww, come on! The story there was so incredible.
DB: And like every good story, it came to an end. And then started over. On. Different. Networks. (again with the emphasis)
Inteviewer: Is Angel going to hook up with Cordy?
DB: Well, I'm all for it. I don't know what the writers have planned in that regard, but I'm a fan of Charisma's work and I'd love for our characters to be romantically involved. Cordy is really what Angel needs, I believe.

--Greenwalt said that he had reservations about pairing Angel with someone other than Buffy but that Whedon wanted to go ahead with Angel and Cordelia. "He was, like, 'People move on. You have to move forward all the time,' " Greenwalt said. "What I do like about the show is that it does keep changing and we are full of surprises. And people do come and go as in real life. . . . People fall in love and people move forward.

--The star and the executive producer of "Angel" have three words for the fans of the show who are up in arms over the budding romance between Angel (David Boreanaz) and Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter). Get over it. Accept the fact that Angel and Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) are not going to get back together. Not only have the characters moved on, but the shows are on different networks now. "If you actually saw these two characters get back together, it would be so different . . . it probably wouldn't even work," Boreanaz said. "It would be like getting together with your first wife," added executive producer David Greenwalt. "It would be a nightmare." On the other hand, there definitely is something going on between Angel and Cordelia. "There's definitely love a-bloomin' there. She is not yet aware of her feelings toward Angel, but Angel has become somewhat painfully aware that he has feelings toward her."

Jeff Bell: My thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy have come to a place, and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy, where they were thinking, "We love each other, but the way things are now it ain't gonna work out. We're adults, so let's move ahead with our lives." Angel magazine

--From a David Boreanaz interview at Ninemsn.com.au (March 14, 2004)
-I?m not generally in favour of ?reunions? because there is no reason to go back. It took a lot to get me to do Buffy. At one point I really didn?t want to do it, but as a favour to Sarah I did it.

--Dreamwatch Magazine #118, interview with David Boreanaz:
"I only want to go forward in my life rather than backwards. Reunions don?t sit comfortably with me and it took a lot to get me to do Buffy."



Highlights of the B/A relationship

1. When he broke up with her
2. When she sent him to hell
3. When he drained her almost to death
4. When she shot him
5. When they punched each other in the face over Faith



Reasons Why B/A Suck

1) Too much drama.
2) They're always hurting each other, there's practically no time for happiness (which is a good thing).
3) Joss said B/A never should've happened.
4) Joss said people change and move on, i.e. B/A have moved on.
5) David Boreanaz said the same.
6) *cough* pedophile *cough*
7) Angel is gay, therefore, Buffy would have to be a guy...
8) It's so fairytale-ish, but Angel says "This isn't some fairytale" (Reptile Boy)
9) Greenwalt says B/A getting back together would be like "getting back together with your first wife. It would be a nightmare."
10) The relationship made Buffy whiny.
11) It also made Buffy hesitate with tragic consequences. Because she didn't kill Angel as soon as he turned evil, Jenny died. (Passion)
12) When they kiss, she wants to die. Enough said. (Reptile Boy)
13) Cordy is the most beautiful women Angel's ever seen. (Waiting in the Wings)
14) He doesn't get her anymore. (Graduation)
15) She doesn't trust him. (Sanctuary)
16) She doesn't know him anymore. (Sanctuary)
17) Forever love? More like Forever ABANDONMENT and PAIN!
18) He never got a soul for her.
19) He never died for her.
20) Angelus could never love her.
21) Angelus never tried to change for her.
22) Greenwalt said B/A getting back together would be a nightmare.
23) SMG's fantasy guy is Spike. Not Angel. Spike.
24) DB says Cordy is what Angel really needs.
25) Buffy chose Riley over Angel. RILEY!
26) The last person to whom she said ILY was Spike. (Chosen)
27) Because part of Angel wanted to hurt Buffy even with a soul (Amends)
28) Because Buffy doesn't need him anymore.
29) Because she told him to leave. (Chosen)
30) Because he left... Well, he always leaves.
31) Because he lied to her since the beginning.
32) Because he punched her in Faith's defense. (Sanctuary)
33) Because he didn't even care enough for her after all they lived. (IWRY)
34) Because Angel has a son with Darla, his first love and true love according to DB.
35) Because, sorry, Angel, she changed the locks (Passion)
36) Because he scares Joyce. (Passion)
37) Because they suck.
38) Because it falls under the 8th Amendment--no cruel or unusual punishment.
39) Because when they're around each other, they become immature, childish, and miserable.
40) Because they don't want to spend time together and get to know each other on a day-to-day basis.
41) Because love at first sight is usually romantic but in their case, it was disturbing and akin to pedophilia.
42) Because Angel treats her like a child. (He breaks up with her for 'her own good.')
43) Because their love story can best be described by words such as cheesy, flakey, cliched and cheap melodrama.
44) Because their grand reunion kiss in Chosen was emotionless and mechanical and because she forgot it immediately.
45) Because Angel, a rapist, is not worthier than an attempted rapist.
46) Because as soon as Angel left, he evolved a personality.
47) If Buffy truly loved Angel, she would have wanted to spend her last moments on earth with him but she doesn't even consider it. (Chosen)
48) Because Spike is in her heart.
49) Because "forever" is no longer. Now it's "if ever."
50) Because once when Buffy looked into the future, all she saw was Angel but now she's not sure if she'll ever want him in her life.
51) Because Buffy bestowed the title of champion unto Spike, even though it meant a great deal to Angel and he wanted it.
52) Because B/A have no chemistry and are bland.
53) Because Buffy and Angel laugh and have fun when they're with Spike and Cordy but with each other, it's all doom and gloom.
54) They don't bother to see each other more than once every two years, even though their dangerous jobs could get them killed any day.
55) Because she's cookie dough and when she finishes baking, Angel hopes to eat her. Aww!! How not romantic!
56) Because Buffy was Angel's girl but she is Spike's woman.
57) Because once she would have given anything to be with Angel, but in Chosen she didn't need to give up anything and she turned him down anyway.
58) Because helping out Buffy was not reason enough for Angel to accept Wolfram and Hart's offer. Cordy and Conner were.
59) Because the main obstacle to their relationship is that they can't have sex. If they truly loved each other, it shouldn't be an obstacle.
60) Because Spike gives Buffy strength, Angel leaves her emotionally crippled.
61) Because transcendent? More like transparent.
62) Because even Wes says "Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also nu-uh."
63) Because the "reunion" was so funny we laughed all week *points and laughs*
64) Because even Joss was mocking them.
65) Because we can't look at cheese the same way again.
66) Because we grew up, and so did they.
67) Because God we really REALLY didn't miss this
68) Because we're sick and tired of the constant whining
69) Because It's SO Over! Do we need to spell it out?
70) Buffy *WHINE* Angel *WHINE*
71) Death, tears & destruction. Sounds like a healthy relationship to me.
72) Because they always look constipated when they're together.
73) Twu wuv? Truly disgusting is more like it.
74) Because she never makes him laugh.
75) Because he NEVER has a facial expression around her.
76) Because she killed him.
77) Because she's grown up now.
78) Because he can lose his soul anytime.
79) Because he didn't even say goodbye.
80) Because when she sees Angel, even if it's for a few minutes, it's hello to the pain.
81) Because Cordelia makes him laugh, Buffy makes him whine and brood.
82) Because Angel, you really should go (Forever).
83) Because Angel fantasized he was making love to Cordy in his ideal dream world, not Buffy.
84) When he started to lose his soul and was in pain, he flash-backed to Buffy. So, Angel associates Cordy with true happiness and Buffy with agony.
85)Because it was "the biggest mistake of his life" (Go Fish)
86)Because he's lived for than 200 years so it was quite a mistake!
87)It was idealized romance with overdone angst.
88)Buffy and Angel are too alike. Both are reserved, stoic, hero types. One stoic type is understandable in a relationship. But two?
89)They got boring by Season 3.
90)Whenever there is a crossover - it's snooze time. Even worse, they start to act like morons on the other's show.
91)They are too much like Buffy/Riley of Season 4. Eeek!
92) Because Angel was excited that Nina gave him "a look." (Unleashed)
93) Because Buffy forgot to phone Angel to tell him she was alive. (Afterlife)
93) Because he wasn't in Buffy's thoughts.
94) Because Angel thinks about "that night" when he and Cordy were to declare their feelings for one another "all the time."
95) Because Angel needs Cordelia and is lost without her. (You're Welcome)
96) Because he kissed Cordelia passionately and wanted to let the phone ring. (You're Welcome)
97) Because he's in love with Cordelia.
98) Because he looked like a lost puppy when informed of Cordy's death but only suprised when Willow told him about Buffy's.
99) Because Buffy believes that you can't love without trust (Seeing Red) and she doesn't trust Angel anymore. (Damage)
100) Because she hurried to Los Angeles in order to tearfully urge him to resign from Evil Incorporated -- oh, wait, she didn't! She.Just.Doesn't.Care.
101) Because she didn't even bother to pick up the phone.
102) Because she immediately assumed the worst about Angel and didn't give him a chance to explain.
103) Because even right after the battle with the First, when she didn't know about him joining W&H, she didn't care to communicate with Angel. (He had no idea about the new Slayers until Andrew's visit in Damage)
104) Because if they have have no common courtesy for each other, what kind of long-term relationship could they possibly have?
105) Because neither of them ever remembers to keep in touch.
106) Because Angel gave up on his romance with Buffy too easily.
107) Because he didn't even consider having a non-sexual committed relationship with Buffy, like other couples who can't have sex (HIV and other STDs) do, and having a family by adopting.
108) Because if they can't overcome lust, then how transcendent is their supposed love?
109) Because Buffy sure forgot that kiss quickly - only a half hour later she was in Spike's arms.
110) Because Angel used to think he needed to protect Buffy (IWRY) but in Home suddenly he's of the opinion that "She can take care of herself." How about, he's simply not willing to make sacrifices for her anymore?
111) Because Angel wasn't there when Buffy was fighting Adam, Glory, Willow, and didn't want to come help her against the First Evil. Soulless Spike was always at her side (except against Willow, when he was undergoing trials to earn his soul).
112) Because Angel didn't even know about Buffy's great battles since he never phones her.
113) Buffy loved (past tense) Angel more than anything else. Umm, lying for dramatic effect, much? (Necessary if she was going to persuade Xander to let her kill Anya). Buffy loved Dawn more than anything else. She would not sacrifice Dawn in the Gift like she did Angel in Becoming.
114) Because she may never want to be with him. (Chosen)
115) Because she lied when she told Angel she can't risk him. (What about his job fighting demons and apocalypses in L.A.? If she cares about him, wouldn't she think to call him and ask how he's doing, at least once every few months?)
116) Because even Angel realized it was actually a polite brush-off.
117) If she loves Angel, why didn't she tell him? He was jealous of Spike and needed to hear it, but she just acted evasive.
118) Because neither of them cares to find out what's happening in the other's life.
119) Because if they don't care about their relationship, why should we?
120) Throwing Buffy and Angel back together would be like an arranged marriage. They barely know each other anymore!
121) Angel needed sex with Buffy to be perfectly happy. Well, if his love for her was pure, an orgasm from her wouldn't be necessary. He would have experienced perfect happiness when she told him she loved him or during a moment like the final scene of Bad Eggs.
122) Let's see... Since Buffy, Angel has willingly macked on, had sex with, or expressed interest in Darla, Cordelia, Kate, Gwen, the actress, Jheira, the Furies, Fred (he "bought" that kiss!), Eve (Lorne told him and Eve to get a room because of the sexual attraction) and Nina. My, he's so devoted to Buffy!
123) Buffy moved on pretty quick with Scott and Parker.
124) Her first choice was Owen, not Angel.
125) Because Angel's lame, his hair goes straight up and he's bloody stupid!
126) Because Angel is afraid that Nina will cause him to lose his soul. (Smile Time)
127) Because according to Buffy, Angel is like Dawson.
128) Because Buffy encouraged Angel to walk out of her life. (Chosen)
129) Because she wouldn't allow Spike to walk out of her life. Twice Spike offered -- Beneath You (pre-soul revelation!) and First Date -- twice she stopped him.
130) Because the only thing that seperates B/S is death.
131) Because the writers admitted they ran out of story ideas for B/A in season 3.
132) Because Buffy let Angel stay in a box at the bottom of the ocean for months. He would have stayed there longer had Wes not saved him.
133) Because Angel stalked Buffy when she was only fifteen.
134) Because he stalked her even after he dumped her. (Pangs)
135) Because Buffy didn't trust Angel. (Sanctuary)
136) Because she still doesn't trust him (Damage)
137) Because "[they] don't live in each other's worlds anymore." (Buffy in the Yoko Factor)
138) Because "All those months, under the water, I kept thinking to myself I gotta get home... to Cordelia." (Angel in Ground State)
139) Because Spike's happiest moment was simply holding Buffy. Angel's was boinking her.
140) Because Buffy chose the Immortal over Angel, even though Immie also can't offer her a normal life. (The Girl in Question)
141) Because "forever just got a hell of a lot shorter." (Angel in Not Fade Away)
142) Because Angel doesn't remember what it's like to be human, even he has forgotten IWRY! (Not Fade Away)
143) Expecting to die soon, Angel went to see his son and told him about one woman only, Nina. (Not Fade Away)
144) Because he had wild sex with Nina (Power Play)
145) Because the show ended and SMG didn't appear.
146) Because when Buffy had sex with Parker, she wasn?t thinking about Angel.
147) Because when Buffy had sex with Riley, she wasn?t thinking about Angel.
148) Because when Buffy and Spike had demolition derby sex, she wasn?t thinking about Angel.
149) Because when Buffy kept coming back for more Spikey, she wasn?t thinking about Angel.
150) Because Buffy was concerned about Spike's chest wounds while Angel rotted at the bottom of the ocean. (Lessons).
151) Because Buffy's dancing the night away while Angel's facing his Apocalypse.
152) Because Angel thinks Buffy has blue eyes. (The Girl in Question)
153) Because "[Angel's] waitin' patiently, and meanwhile, The Immortal's eatin' cookie dough!" (The Girl in Question)
154) Because he lied, he WASN'T waiting patiently.
155) Because he kissed Cordy and started dating Nina before he found out about Buffy/the Immortal.
156) Because Angel hired somone to spy on Buffy (The Girl in Question)
157) Because B/A's moment in Becoming was played for laughs. So was their "forever love." (The Girl in Question)
158) Because Buffy doesn't know about his son.
159) Because Connor only knows Buffy as the ex who sent Angel to hell.
160) Because Dawn doesn't like Angel.
161) Because Buffy/Spike acted as parents to Dawn and Cordy/Angel as parents to babyConnor.
162) Because after Buffy came back from the grave, Spike was the only person she could stand to be around.
163) Because Buffy's still in love with Spike. (First Date)
164) Because Angel's lost without Cordy, but he gets along just fine without Buffy.
165) Because Angel signed away the Shanshu. (Not Fade Away)
166) Because if B/A really wanted to be together, they could find a way eg. by agreeing to a no-sex relationship and adopting, or Angel fighting for his soul like Spike did.
167) Because according to Joss, Spike is the man in Buffy's life now.
168) Because Angel helped Buffy put up walls within herself.
169) Because Spike helped Buffy knock them down, to open up emotionally.
170) Because she doesn't consider her relationship with Angel a happy time: "What was the highlight of our relationship? When you broke up with me or when I killed you?" (Chosen)
171) Because love should be all they need - not Shanshu, normal life, or a baking oven.
172) Because Angel called Nina his girlfriend (The Girl in Question)
173) Because he promised to come back to Nina if he survives the final battle (Power Play)
174) Because during his summer at the bottom of the ocean, he kept dreaming about Cordy.
175) Because he patronizes Buffy and acts like she's not capable of making decisions
176) David Boreanaz on who is Angel's true love: ?I think that question has really yet to be answered, so I don?t know yet.? (May 15th, 2004 Toronto Star Starweek)
177) David Boreanaz: "I only want to go forward in my life rather than backwards. Reunions don?t sit comfortably with me and it took a lot to get me to do Buffy." (Dreamwatch magazine #118)
178) Because Angel had to tell Buffy to look happy to see him
179) Because she only managed to look happy for maybe a minute. Then she was uncomfortable and trying to get away from him.
180) Because he only comes to help her out when he's got nothing else to do.



by Spuffy4Life
Forever Constipated


by Tarhiliel:











"I'll never leave. Not even if you kill me."
Hmmmm, let's check:
by Devoted
You know the only thing that I saw that was the same and that was consistant in reguards to Bangel during Chosen was that in the end Angel left. Either Angel or Buffy always walk away from one another. I guess thats the criteria for being forever, true love, and soulmates: Abandonment!

How many times does this make it?
1. Graduation pt 2.(Angel breaks up with Buffy and leaves town for her own good.)
2. Pangs (he secretly checked up on Buffy and then left)
3. I Will Remember You (Not only did he make the decision to not be with her, he erased Buffy's memory of that day)
4. Santuary (he told Buffy to leave his town and that she doesn't know him anymore)
5. Yoko Factor (He comes and apologizes, she says she loves Riley now, and then he leaves)
6.Forever (Stops by to console her over Joyce's death then leaves... FYI: I heard this was the lowest rated episode during season five..and they had promoted Bangel big time)
7. Sometime after Flooded they meet for the first time after Buffy has been ressurected (Off screen meeting, they both start new relationships very shortly afterward)
8. End of Days/Chosen (Buffy tells him to leave because she already has a champion. FYI: These were among the most hyped episodes ever.
Many magazines, including TV Guide, featured Buffy on their cover and the promotion was almost exclusively B/A focused; the grand reunion of the star-crossed lovers! The result? Ratings dipped for the first episode of the two-part finale, End of Days, and Chosen's ratings were lower than episodes earlier in season 7. What happened to all the people who wanted to see Buffy & Angel reunited? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )

Did I miss anything? Just for the record, Angel and Buffy have known each other for 7 years. During the last two years they have had almost no contact. How many times have they left each other? 8 times in 7 years... Do the math!


by Eternal Love

Spike

- earned his soul for Buffy (Grave)
- gave his undead life for her (Chosen)
- the happiest moment in his life was just holding Buffy in his arms (Touched)
- cried more than anyone when Buffy died (The Gift)
- loves her with and without his soul
- has never left her


Angel

- didn't want a soul
- has never given up his life for her
- will risk Buffy's life for his own (Graduation Day)
- his happiest moment was having sex with Buffy
- never cried over Buffy, even when she died
- felt guilty that he wasn't very broken up about her death
- doesn?t love Buffy without his soul
- has left her numerous times


Post away! 28th thread!

a new hope

oh yay! new thread! I love the title, it's so true. B/Aers think Chosen was a pro B/A episode but Buffy only said ''I love you'' to Spike.

Jaime Bee

I watched this episode with my whole family and my brother was the only one that cared who Buffy loved. He is a Spuffy too. My mom and dad thought it was clear that Buffy was over Angel and that her heart belonged to Spike.

If Angel is the one she loves why no I love you? How can that not bother BA fans?

Cati

It used to be so easy.. and now she can't even say it when they could be parting for the last time.

Bangels will say she didn't need to because it's obvious. Angel didn't think it was obvious, otherwise why was he so jealous!

*Sweetie*

Our first post rocks. Look at all those anti-B/A goodies.

ETA: I hadn't seen Parody #10 before! Who made that? It's hilarious!

MarstersAngel

Deleted it. Sorry you guys. And it didn't offend me any.

*Sweetie*

Maybe you should move those B/A posts over to the B/A thread?

Cati

Yes, that's me.

I agree with Sweetie..perhaps you should delete them. People don't come here to read that kind of stuff. This is a B/A bashing thread.
Besides it's against the rules to bring over entire posts from another thread or forum.

I hope you're not offended.

a new hope

lol, I don't mind it being here, it's quite entertaining. but I do agree some people might not enjoy it.

*Sweetie*

Yeah, I don't enjoy it at all. I purposely stay away from posts/threads/boards like that because I get so annoyed.

MarstersAngel

Just deleted it. Didn't offend me any. I love reading posts like that especially coming from delusional B/A-ers.

Vamps Bite

thnx for deleting that. the anti-b/a thread just isn't the place to read about bangel gushing.

Jaime Bee

I think it's funny how different Spuffy's and Bangel's interperate things. It's like we aren't even watching the same show.

goldenpuppies at heart

I know!


I read that post and I was like, laughing my head off...I guess we just don't see things the same way...

Cati

One of the funny things B/A shippers like to say is that Buffy hadn't smiled in a long time like she smiled at Angel in Chosen. Yeah, usually she smiles more than a few seconds.
And usually she doesn't have to be told to look happy to see someone. What a lame reunion.