jediwands

I loved that moment so much because Amy was also speaking for the audience when it comes to Jake... he can be useful at times but otherwise he's annoying and you don't want him around all that much.

jediwands

Well said. Hard facts which is sad.

Amy doesn't even know Ephram received Madison's number from Jay and told Andy he was tempted to call her. Imagine what she would have done or felt after finding out this horrible reality.

Jerry D

That's true!

jediwands

Exactly. I will never understand it. Ever. I would love to know what the writers were thinking.

jediwands

Yes, indeed. What a perfect parallel. That's absolutely correct.

Both father and son should be thanking their lucky stars that they ended up with Nina and Amy. It's almost a miracle they did when you think about it.

jediwands

The only thing I can think of is Nina reminded him too much of what he had with Julia... a deep friendship and cornerstone for everlasting love. With Gretchen, Linda and Amanda he knew in the end all three would never be long-term. Psychologically, in his mind, it couldn't compare to what he had with Julia so he didn't feel guilt over these "less meaningful" relationships. With Nina he has always known they have a realness and connection. I think that's why he blocks the romantic path for so long because it feels too real for him and he wasn't ready until the time was right.

jediwands

LOL!

Jerry D

That's so true. I still hate that we only got to see them both finally get together at the very last part of the very last episode of the show. There was so much wasted time for them and us.

Jerry D

I was so glad that Ephram didn't listen to Bright in Foreverwood, but to be fair to Bright, at that point he had witnessed all the drama that had gone on between Ephram and Amy and he also saw that Amy rejected Ephram after they had sex, so from his standpoint, he felt that Ephram would be better off with a "hot" (his words) girl who brought no drama to the table. From that standpoint, I could understand his position, but we all knew that Ephram and Amy were meant to be together and she was his "One."

Another point is that I think that Ephram would have gotten tired of Stephanie's annoying cheerfulness and the way she made it seem like she was so familiar with his family when she barely knew them. We saw Ephram say to Amy at Delia's Bat Mitzvah when Amy asked where Stephanie was that "she's mingling for fun. It's starting to freak me out." Ephram was much more in sync with someone like Amy than someone like Stephanie.

everwoodfan52

That could very well be it. Andy wasn't ready to move on with a keeper (Nina), but instead chose to sow his wild oats with others.

Jerry D

I completely agree with this. I think that subconsciously he was afraid of his feelings for Nina so he denied those feelings until it was almost too late.

jediwands

I hate this as well. It’s disappointing. Andy/Nina, especially, since so many cheered for them to be together since the Pilot. We never got to see them even go on a first date even if we got an engagement.

jediwands

That’s very true. Ephram showed signs of Stephanie not being his type from the start too. I know not wanting to sleep with her was an indication thankfully he only wanted to be with Amy. At the same time I feel like it was also a strong sign that he just wasn’t into it very much. Even if Amy would have continued to reject him and Ephram stayed with Stephanie longer they would have ended up breaking up eventually because Ephram wasn’t feeling it.

I can see Bright’s take. But at the same time, he has known since S1 how strong and unstoppable the Ephram and Amy connection is. This is why he loathed and bullied Ephram in S1. He was so fearful of Amy and Ephram drawn to each other because he sensed the connection. He knew Ephram was infatuated and obsessed with Madison in an unhealthy way and understood Ephram and Amy overall had a healthy relationship when they were together romantically before the pregnancy bomb. He understood they only broke up because of the bomb. He knew Amy got scared in S4 because Ephram bailed and went to Europe. Bright understood all of this and he knew they were in love with each other. He also understood how Ephram acts when he’s in love. Thus, even if Bright cannot be so bright, I think he could have noticed Ephram’s hesitation with Stephanie and understood why. He knows better than anyone that Ephram and Amy have a connection like white on rice. He had to have known they were eventually going to work it out even if it took time based on observing their history for four years.

jediwands

Exactly.

jediwands

That’s exactly it. Honestly, most of the fandom highly disliked or found Jake annoying. But at the same time without Jake I’m not sure Andy would have ever faced reality without a strong push.