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Old 08-31-2017, 12:20 PM
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I guess she really might have realized that when Red was shot...

Yeah, I guess we'll never understand her behavior. What did she think? That he'll try to lure her in for four years and longer just to use her for something shady in the end? No one can be so desperate...

He wanted to leave... I'm still so surprised that I had forgotten about this.
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:47 PM
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In Leonard Caul, we get a lot of her comparing Red and Tom. I still don't see how. She says Red will devour her. What do you think Tom will do. They are both criminals. How is tom better.

Tom forgot the name of the harbor master. He felt no guilt. Red feels guilt every time, I believe.

Red calls tom a sociopath and i believe him.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:51 AM
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It's like she doesn't have a moral code when it comes to Tom. But Red does everything wrong you know.. I got really tired of her behaviour in S2. She acted like a child. Only thinking about herself.

I agree Marilyn, Tom doesn't know what guilt is..
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:53 PM
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I really think that in the end, it's been Tom that devoured her... Look at where they are now. It's exactly the opposite.

I as well think that Tom is a sociopath. At least he used to be.

The moral code. It in general doesn't exist for her and that's what I hate most. If she had a moral code, she would use it on every single person in her life. But she doesn't and I don't trust people that don't have one... It feels faked.
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:19 PM
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She only has a moral code when it benefits her.

And you know these episodes are sooo good. They are just drawing me back in the show. It's amazing how good they are.

Do you think the second manipulation happened when they lose Liz in the train station? I know she wasn't sbducted but it seems like the only time.

Other than that I'm at the point of thinking they are going to say Red did it while they were on the run.
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:42 AM
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I so agree that Liz ony has a moral code with it benefits her. She only does what is best for her and doesn't really care about other people.

But when they lost her in the train station, she wasn't gone for too long right? So I think they didn't have time to do it then.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:59 PM
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Red didn't do it... Now stop this! It makes me sad, really...

I'm wondering what she could have discovered about Red, that she wasn't allowed to know. She was looking for answers about her mother the whole time in season 2... When did she discover something about Red? Or when could she have?

When they lost her in the train station? I'm really lost now myself. Do you mean when she was attacked by Karakurt?
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:45 PM
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Yeah I'm referring to Karakurt.

I was thinking that Red never wanted her to know the identity of her father. He says that in S1. So I thought that her memories were close to revealing that and he manipulated them to stop that. But I agree no this did not happen.
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:39 AM
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But if Liz discovered something about Red back then why not tell him and confront him with what she found out? Why keep it to herself?
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:27 AM
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Marilyn, please go back and re-watch the episode where Liz confronts him directly with the fact that Krilov told her that somebody altered her memories two years ago... You won't believe anything of what you said before anymore.
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:05 AM
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I never believe anything I say. Lol. But I will rewatch it.

So far in S2 I haven't seen a time I thought her memories were changed.
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:46 AM
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No I haven't seen a time where it could have happened in S2 either Marilyn.
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:43 PM
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And you'll let me know when you've re-watched the moment, right? It's really fantastic and I just saw it again a few weeks ago. I always believed him to be honest there and be completely surprised, too. He didn't do it, for sure. He didn't use any strange terms that could make him pull out of it not having lied to Liz. He told her right away. And the way he did it.

Same here, Marilyn... I'm kind of clueless.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:26 AM
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It's almost time for a new thread! Does anybody have title suggestions?

I have been thinking about a couple moments but then when I think about some more, I know it couldn't have happened on those moments.
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