Static Waves

I didn't see it as lame at all. His hatred for his parents is justified from his end, and Moloch knowing that his father is a witness preyed on him. It was a strategic move on the part of Moloch, because now Crane will constantly be in turmoil surrounding the demise of Henry/Jeremy, who is now a catalyst for the apocalypse.

What will be lame is if he forgives his father and mother and turns good. I will roll my eyes HARD if they give them a happy family moment after this.


HH being love sick over Katrina is less interesting of course. But fine.

MellyG14

agreed - they are both thin reasons for becoming horseman of the Apocalypse to be honest

But i don't think Katrina is useless....that's not really fair. Abbie agreed to free her because, based on the information they had a WITCH was NEEDED to cast the containment spell. That's not exactly useless.

I think they should have all three tried to get out of purgatory, I don't like the soul for a soul nonesense, but it's not at all fair to call Katrina "useless"

Static Waves

on a completely hilarious note, someone needs to take the internet away from Orlando.

london grammar

I didn't call Katrina useless.

I think it would've been interesting if Abbie/Katrina were the ones who got out and Ichabod stayed behind. Because, like you said, you would have Katrina do the containment spell and Abbie wouldn't be stuck in purgatory, lol.

MellyG14

that wasn't directed at you specifically, sorry, should have been more clear


I've seen it generally in this thread, and it's not ok, since they were specifically going to get her BECAUSE of her use

i just find the "soul for a soul" thing very contrived, and kinda stupid. When Katrina said she couldn't get out without being forgiven, i think it would have been more interesting to find out WHAT she needed to be forgiven FOR - and perhaps Ichabod could have been the one to forgive her It would have been more poignant more interesting, less contrived, and then all three could have left purgatory

london grammar

I agree. The soul for a soul bit was an extremely contrived way to cause drama for all three. And also, I think, to get the fandom talking, which is what is happening right now.

I forgot that Katrina said she needed to be forgiven for something.

Static Waves

she probably has to be forgiven by Henry/Jeremy

scorpio_chick

It was lame to me because Ichabod didn't even know of his existence and Katrina didn't purposely abandon him.

The saddest part for me is that Henry Parrish was presented as this wonderfully complex character yet the writers turned him into a one-note villain with mommy and daddy issues and all for a "shocking twist," which ultimately came off as cartoonish to me.

I believe Katrina is useless because she proved to be quite useless. She is basically a plot device/damsel in distress.

MellyG14

right now all THREE of them are "damsels in distress" - and she was only "useless" because the horseman had arisen 13 years prior, with moloch erasing Abbie and Jenny's memory. That's not exactly Katrina being "useless"
by that logic - ichabod and abbie are useless too because they are ALL currently trapped, NONE of them did ANYTHING to stop it - so it's not fair to single out one of them

london grammar

Well, Abbie did try to do something to stop it(make him not use the map) but Crane went behind her back and recreated it.

MellyG14

she also agreed to go into purgatory with him. It wasn't the map itself (i still think, given his memory, even if he hadn't redrawn the map he would have KNOWN what was on it...) that caused the problem, it was leaving Abbie in purgatory. Which, SHE agreed to! Not to mention, Moloch had erased Abbie and Jenny's memory of what really happened when they were in the forest, had he not, Abbie would have known the horseman had already risen....so there was nothing to stop

ALL three trusted Henry, ALL of them. It's not ONE person's fault that they are now in this situation

it just bothers me when Katrina is called useless - SHE is responsible for Ichabod NOT being dead. And it's not HER fault that the horseman rose 13 years prior on someone else's watch (it was even mentioned that Abbie and Jenny were sent to stop him from rising 13 years ago....)

baelfire24

scorpio_chick

I'm not talking about currently. I'm talking the the season as a whole. Katrina spent the whole season waiting for Ichabod to rescue her from purgatory and now I am sure he will be wringing his hands over how to free her from the HH. Katrina, the damsel in distress, is what the plot hinges on, not Katrina the "powerful witch."

Hookified

Well, i understand that point there. I think they need to start showing us Katrina the "powerful witch" that put a spell on Ichabod letting him rise over 300 years later.

Megz1989

That was one hell of a Season Finale.. Definitely full of Surprises!!