scififan2009

Emma being the biggest threat to the Wicked Witch or the one to break the curse makes sense. Because if Regina no longer exists when Zelena gets her second chance that only leaves Emma, the lead character, to stop her.

scorpio_chick

Evil vs. Wicked turns into the Savior vs. Wicked? I'm sorry but...

scififan2009

So the whole first episode of the arc with Emma trying to remember and get home doesn't hint towards her being needed in this fight?

scorpio_chick

Of course! The writers are not exactly subtle. Heck the last few episodes were full of anvils about Emma playing a big role in stopping Zelena.

1. Regina is not as powerful as Zelena
2. Emma thinking they can stop the WW together
3. Emma learning to use her powers
4. Zelena not being able to kill Emma

I don't have a problem with Emma helping to bring down Zelena. At most, I think her and Regina can be equals. But if Regina is sidelined while "Savior Emma" gets to play the hero? Yeah, I will have a problem with that.

GalaxyDuster

I took that scene more as him watching her with her whole family from a distance, as now he has the power to either rob her of her power, or watch her entire family die. What a horrible choice. I think I'd want to remove myself from their proximity for a while, too. How do you make a choice like that... or find a solution? I'd be horrified.

scififan2009

If we're comparing it to Oz, Emma would resemble Dorothy because she's still struggling with what home means to her. And Regina without her heart. Well, that kinda goes without saying.

fox24

Me too

HazelEyes008

It was also showing, that Hook should of been there with them... when we saw the scene first of them together in Grannys, he was invited but he declined due to he just couldnt be around Emma.. after what happened.. it also was to show as i said that he belonged there with them, coz he is one of them, as a team, where they all working together. Thats what its been showing with the interactions and bonds created with them each episode... being part of something, belonging there

Hook went over to look at them from afar... we just had Hook declare that he loves Emma so much (we saw in his flashback - how the loss of Emma affected him that he regressed badly into being his worse self (we also know that without your love/true love you are your worse self)... and trying to redirect his void onto his ship (Hook needs something to hang onto and fight for) - due to the loss of Emma, he talked of that ship like Smee said - a woman, which is what it was - whatever he said about his ship esp in referring to HER - was indication for Emma... and we know he made bad choices, we saw it - but we also know that somewhere along the line, he did the right thing as he came and found Emma and he did choose love/Emma over his ship (coz we still dont where the jolly roger is) etc and the bad choices he made haunted him and the guilt and the shame of it... he owned up, that is what Zelena master plan was all along... Zelena used it and then did what she had to when Hook went and owned up... and it nots wonder Hook has been in turmoil over it and the past... that you cant go back to the person you use to be... that line was flat out said at the start of the episode... everything he did in the flashback was him covering his own void and loss of Emma, which was to go and be a pirate and get his ship and Blackberard taunting him just further festered inside of him) , and he has been curse, and we know he yearns for her and loves her and pines for her
That last show was meant to be heartbreaking for him... being so near yet so far... your not meant to see it as stalkerish or creepy coz thats not how it was filmed at all... your meant to feel the situation Hook is in as he loves Emma - and he cares for her, and her family, and he should of been there with them like he always has been since Neverland, and the progression they have all made individually and as a team.

CityGal

I have not gotten that vibe at all. Other than the season 1 finale, Emma and Regina have teamed up on multiple occasions to counter the prevailing antagonist, i.e., destruction of SB, saving Henry.

Secondly, wouldn't it stand to reason that Regina and Emma's magic would be quite different - dark magic vs 'light' magic.

Nextract

I kinda feel that way too, I think the problem with these shows sometimes is you make an all powerful super character in the case of Once Upon a Time rumple, and then it gets repetitive watching them either have too much magic to be stopped or seem kinda invincible, Emma is the savior yes, of the first curse and she fufilled that role, now obviously in season 3 having some bad guy come along and it take a final intervention by rumple with some spell or magical ability or Self sacrafice to stop them its gonna be pointless so they are obviously gonna now make Emma powerful enough to destory them and have sidelined rumple by giving Zelena control over him with the dagger and made Zelena more powerful than regina.

As a fan of TVD/The Originals I feel its a bit like Klaus, id prob compare that character to rumple, golden rule is never create someone too poweful lol

Grace52373

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Originally Posted by scififan2009 (View Post) I will never understand why Rumple and Regina get a free pass for everything they've done, while Hook is still compared to the devil. Last time I checked, his crimes are no where near as bad or evil as the dark one's or the Evil Queen's. And yet for some reason they're worshipped and Hook is still vilified. Unlike them he can't solve all his problems with magic.

No they do not get a free pass because I just read an article that had comments about Regina raping Graham and Rumple's Stockholm syndrome thing with Belle as well as Hook's hitting women past(not my words, the posters, but he did hit Belle). This isn't the first time I read anti-Regina and anti-Rumple posts. No matter how popular some characters are, some people are not going to like them. I connect with Rumple, because I never considered him the villain in his original fairy tale. I also know what it is like to be bullied and want to get revenge, so I relate to him. Also he wasn't evil before the curse but was basically a punching bag for his father, wife, the village, and Hook. I am not going to get into why I don't like Hook, because I am sick of being called a hater. Suffice it to say, I don't and I do not have to explain either. If you don't want to hear why people don't like a character or not, stop asking. There are plenty of people that like Hook, so why do we have to constantly compare him to Rumple and Regina? Why do people who don't like Hook called hypocrites because they like Rumple and/or Regina? People have their preferences and it's nobody's business but their own. My mom is not thrilled with Hook, or ships anyone on the show. She just enjoys it like I do the majority of the time. Also, not all Hook dislike is because of shipping. Please lets not start another pointless debate over characters again!

DR76

Stalkerish vibe? Where the hell did that come from? I never got any stalkerish vibes from Hook at any time. Does this opinion come from some dislike of Hook?

CityGal

I don't think we know enough at this point. They have already establish in season 2 that Emma had some magical abilities, and it has slowly been developed then placed on the back burner only to resurface when needed. But it has always been something minor, I still believe like season 1 Emma will break the curse, but defeating Zelena will be Regina. Sibling rivalry is too great a writing opportunity plus whatever is the interest of the Snowing baby will fall within Emma's hands.

So 'sidelining' Regina is hardly something I see being laid out.

Jewel Leigh

Only the one scene... because he was more or less spying through the window with the spyglass. I don't consider it stalking, but certainly the scene if looked at out of context doesn't give the most pleasant sort of vibe.

And I love Hook.


I agree with this. The show has laid the foundation for Emma and her magic to be key this season, but Zelena is also Regina's sister and confrontation to face. I foresee both of them having their moments in the finale.

Radames

So with only 4 episodes to go when do you guys think we will start getting answers as to the mysteries of how Hook got to Emma. Whom gave him the potion? What happened to the JR? Who gave him the note, etc.

I'm thinking...

Potion= Glinda
Note= Rumple
JR= He traded it for a way to get back to Emma or the memory potion.

We have to find this out before the end of the season, there's no question about it.