i didn't enjoy that finale very much tbh.

It was a mess, I was not very happy with how they chose to do things. And yeah I totally agree.

Agree about the finale. I have my own crackpot theory that several years in the future, Henry and Grace (or Baby Neal and Alexandra) can time travel to the moment when Emma messes everything up and stop her from snapping that twig. Order is restored and Marian just disappears.

They screwed with Snowing canon! I will never be ok with that!

Agree about the finale. I have my own crackpot theory that several years in the future, Henry and Grace (or Baby Neal and Alexandra) can time travel to the moment when Emma messes everything up and stop her from snapping that twig. Order is restored and Marian just disappears.

There will always be double standards when it the heroes vs villains it won't matter. I mean look at the flack Emma got for saving Marian, can you imagine if it had been Snow or Charming. Oh man it would have been worse.

Damn straight, still not over it. But yeah the finale felt odd and very out of place compared to the 3B. I think that is why it is hard for me to accept certain things because it felt so inorganic, just everything meshed together.

boys will be boys. he probably thought 'i'll sleep with her and it'll fix EVERYTHING'.

Yeah, it felt out of place and plot service. The only character development was Emma's and it felt at the expense of everyone else. The only upside is Emma finally accepted her family as her home.

No I think David probably did really sleep with Kathryn in an attempt to "make their marriage work". They needs a true pregnancy scare for the angst. Plus that is probably the only reason the writers had Mary Margaret have a one night stand with Whale after he treated her so horribly on their date. Because who would ever sleep with someone who had been that dismissive of you on a real date?! I think the writers just wanted them "even" after the curse broke. Of course we could think that both encounters were planted memories by Regina.

even that doesn't mean anything cause we thought she accepted it last year. she called MM her mom in 203 for the first time (to aurora). there shouldn't have been THIS MUCH TIME in between acknowledging to someone else's face, and acknowledging it to her parents.

Yeah I think they did sleep together for that reason, though I don't think they were sexually active. I look at it like it happened probably a couple times, then he started his affair with MM (so he wasn't sleeping with Kathryn) and then him and Kathryn break up. I can see Charming come up with excuses not to sleep with Kathryn, oh I am tired, big day tomorrow, headache. I mean he wasn't even home on Valentine's Day, he was too busy keeping an eye on MM. I also agree on the MM and Dr. Whale thing, they were both pity screws (sorry excuse my language I couldn't think how else to write it)



I know we are heading into a different path but Emma's storyline for S3 was a huge disappointment for me. She was happy with Snowing as her parents in S2, she had accepted them. Yeah they still were moments where they were trying to resolve and get past. I mean even in S1 she was calling MM her family and how she would be there for her. Then as soon as 3x01 rolls around she calls out Snowing, again blaming them. For me that was a huge WTF moment, because they just had her calling them Mom and Dad and now she is saying she is an orphan. I felt like a slap in the face they completely regressed her to pre S1 mentality. Also she was mean to Snow (in Neverland), very dismissive of her. I know this can be argued but that was how I saw it. Like she calls out Snow for ignoring Charming, yet she throws that in Charming's face. These are the little things that bugged me.

I guess this is why or another reason the finale bugged me, it didn't have to take Emma this long with the expense of killing off Neal, ruining OQ, also making rumple a little OOC for not trying to save Neal after knowing he died and shoehorning Hook in Snow Falls.

its very true. i understand that in neverland, you revert to your juvenile childish immature self or whatever so i guess i can excuse her then but when she came home, she should have snapped out of it. Emma's problem is she still forms no attachments, and by way of that, she has no loyalty. you don't buy that she cares about anyone but herself. i understand they're trying to make it a product of being abandoned and yadda yadda, but it just makes her come off cold and selfish.

I like Emma, but there has always been something about her that I could never put my finger on it and that is it. She has no loyalty. I feel like I can now understand it, now I can understand why she was always quick to put everyone down even her own parents. Like the few times that someone has made remarks to Snow or Charming and she doesn't really stand up for them. Or can someone help me on that, can someone help me on the times that Emma has stood up and defended Snowning.