butterflygirl

Preach! Some seem to forget that David was very much under a curse that made him very much the opposite of Charming. It's hard to live up to the fairytale counterpart that is sharing the same screen as you, but even so, despite all the stupid things David did, his heart was always in the right place. He wanted to do the right thing and his fatal flaw was not wanting to hurt anyone. After all was said and done, everyone was hurt, but David didn't just bounce back and forth between the women, depending on who was mad at him. Once he made the decision to leave Kathryn, he left her for good, even after Mary Margaret shun him. David fell in love with Mary Margaret and stayed in love with her, despite her rejections. In the end, I saw a man who made mistakes, but still a decent person in spite of those mistakes. He gets too bad of a wrap, especially in comparison to other characters who have truly hurt people to favor their own needs.

sunchick116

i agree with all of you. It's like josh said-david was still trying to be noble by not hurting either woman's feelings. i know a lot of people think that's not noble cause you're just leading someone on in their opinion, but i don't think so. i like a person who cares what i think and how i feel and how it's going to affect me and that's how david felt. he didn't want to hurt either one.

Austenphile

I think season 1 went closer to real time. We had Emma's birthday in October (and designated as such by later Welcome to Storybrooke) then Valentine's Day in February. They mentioned in 1.08 that two weeks had passed after Graham's death. But you are right that the actual affair was a short period of time. They spent most of the season trying to avoid each other or estranged afterwards.

butterflygirl

Major preach to you too!

Even when he went to Mary Margaret in the jail cell, he went in total disbelief and with a whole head of confusion. He went to ask her about his very twisted memory, and she believed him to have no belief in her, and we can't really blame her for that. I'm saying, however, that he never truly thought she was evil. He went to Emma the next day to tell her such and to convince Mary Margaret of the same. He just made mistake after mistake in his judgement calls, and they bit him the butt pretty harshly.

Sure, he went with the affair, but at least their affair wasn't one of lust, but one of true love. Does that make it right? No. They should have held off on their relationship till he ended things with Kathryn, but we can't fault them for being in love. The affair lasted maybe a few weeks, so they're weren't going behin Kathryn's back for months and months. They decided to be together fairly quickly, so we can give them that.

I very much agree that his "misdeeds" PALE in comparison to those of Hook, Rumple, Regina, Cora, James, King George, Zelena, etc. David was weak and stupid, but he was not evil. He had a good heart with a cursed brain. You have to feel sorry for the guy, really!

Time is weird in S1. We know the Pilot was set in October 2011, and we know they celebrated Valentine's Day 2012. I would guess the season ran from October to February/March because Kathryn went missing shortly after Valentine's Day, and that whole saga was maybe a week in time.

sunchick116

it'll be interesting to see how the robin-regina-marian triangle is handled because if there's cheating and the evil regals think it's ok, i'll be FURIOUS. double standards are not cool.

butterflygirl

Yeah. Even if he was in love with Mary Margaret, David still cared about Kathryn and hurting her wasn't something that would come easy to him. I think people want to paint the picture as David stringing both women along because he wanted his cake and eat it too kind of crap, but no, David wanted to spare their feelings. He wanted Mary Margaret, but was afraid of the confrontation and ramifications that would come with leaving Kathryn. He was a coward, yes, but a tool, no.

Austenphile

Because Robin is not cursed, while I can see him not wanting to hurt either woman's feelings, I think he will handle the situation somewhat better. But it is a bit trickier as there is a child involved and Robin is truly married to Marian while David was actually married to Mary Margaret and not Kathryn.

That said, I love Outlaw Queen but I am not sure how the writers will manage to make it happen without making Robin look bad.

butterflygirl

Those two week were probably Christmas time since we didn't see that time of year.

Austenphile

Probably so as they passed during the Christmas hiatus.

butterflygirl

Yeah, I take great issue with double standards. I've had to deal with it in other fandoms and I've already seen cases of it in this fandom. If you're going to feel a certain way, and proceed to rant and rave about it, stick with that opinion. I can't take it when someone changes their opinion in a complete 180 just to suit their needs. A little change, ok, but complete opposite, I just can't!

ETA:

I agree. It's going to be a very difficult road to making Outlaw Queen happen, and Robin Hood is going to have to be incredibly bold to come out of it without looking bad. This is the very reason why I am not happy with bringing Marian on board because I love Outlaw Queen, and I want them to happen, but I don't want an affair to be the means of getting Outlaw Queen. There's no legitimate excuses as to why they would have an affair. Robin and Regina are in their right minds with no curse messing with their moral centers. This must be written very well to work IMO.

sunchick116

they're in a very sticky situation because marian is going to be furious he's in love with the woman who tried to have her killed (and in the AU, DID have her killed) to be fair, back in the the other realm, regina also wanted robin dead. it goes both ways and it's going to be tricky to not make robin look like a hypocrite because he knew who she was when he fell in love with her. this show's a mess.

butterflygirl

It is a mess! I tell you the finale screwed up almost everything. The only fandom that probably came out happy was CaptainSwan. I would like to have the finale never exist, but it is what it is. I'm sure Robin will be with Regina in the end, despite her past and what she planned to do to Marian.

fairy_mermaid

For the timeline I would say a month the most, they were "together" 3 episodes, if real time that would be 3 weeks.

There will always be double standards when it the heroes vs villains it won't matter. I mean look at the flack Emma got for saving Marian, can you imagine if it had been Snow or Charming. Oh man it would have been worse. Also David (cursed and not cursed) never loved Kathryn, there was never anything between them. Unlike Robin having real love for both Marian and Regina. This will be a real love triangle unlike Mary/David/Kathryn and Hook/Emma/Neal.

I agree, I don't see them going down that route. I guess it depends on how Robin takes the news about Regina killing Marian in the past. I will be sad if they make Marian the villain, I just don't know how they will get out of that.

Yes this is exactly as how I see it, he wasn't "playing" them. Even though we never really saw the David/Kathryn relationship but you could tell it was a cold, civil one. I always saw David to be head over heels in love with MM, and questioning his marriage memories with Kathryn. Almost like if I remember loving her why don't I feel anything. There was no attraction, but they were friendly and that was what probably crossed over from Charming and Abigail. It reminds of someone who does something because it is socially correct but it isn't what they want. Regina created this weird 50's mentality type of Cursed Storybooke and David leaving his wife was a no no.

sunchick116

i didn't enjoy that finale very much tbh.

fairy_mermaid

It was a mess, I was not very happy with how they chose to do things. And yeah I totally agree.