cheekymonkey503

Welcome Caroline(sparkyhairnet Caroline) You're one of my main The Borgias info sources!!Love you glad to have you here.

I still think the wedding will happen in ep 2 because if the Pope is recovered enough to stab people the wedding would be no big deal.

PhoenixRising

So you think this could be a parallel to Lucrezia watching Cesare having sex with that woman way back in the first episode of season one, Renae?

Yeah, I think everyone here knows Sparkly Caroline, Christine. And I guess we're calling her "sparkly" to not confuse her with the other Caroline?

DGSAFDMD

So where does this leave the slapping scene tho?

I'll call them Carolines, we can identify by nicknames anyway!

cahe64

My surname starts with a H. You may call me Caroline H if you want. Don't have to.

NYPoster

May I am back to thinking the slapping scene happens somewhere between 1-2, so far we have seen a few of the promo scene in these pics, not all of them though, specifically none of the C/L ones or L/A, so I wonder if they all happen 3-5 with the slap at the end of 2 or beginning of 3? I think everyone was right that all the promos are from the first half of the season.

That scene from the promo, the picture of them around the bed and Rodrigo holding Cesare hand, the one where you thought Lucrezia looked weird has to happen in ep 1. It also looks like Rodrigo is going to be out of it (coma?) for a bit before he wakes up. Maybe she looks that way because she just found out something about Cesare (My Caterina Sforza theory is coming back to me lol, yeah I know he killed Giovanni)

DGSAFDMD

That would work Caroline H.

Renae maybe the slapping scene/fight is what pushes Lucrezia do go with Alfonso? thing is some of you think it's the consummation but we're forgetting that the person on tumblr already confirmed the leg grab is Alfonso/Lucrezia and they're wearing the wedding dress/same shirt... so are we going to have them make out in their original outfits and then change to go to the consummation or?

PhoenixRising

Ohh, so the Ca in your username stands for Caroline and the he is the beginning of your surname?
Okay, I'll call you Caroline H. if it avoids confusion. As long as you don't mind sounding like a Spice Girl.

So you think Alfonso is still alive during the slapping scene?

cheekymonkey503

The slapping scene has to be because Ces killed Alfonso why else??
And don't you make out before doing the deed May so maybe after the wedding they come into the room make out, leg grab and do the deed with the mirrors (which are there to throw more light on the bed I think) there and Ces watching to make sure nothing happens to them.

No I think Al is dead during the slapping Lucrezia wouldn't slap Ces for just some random reason.

NYPoster

Possibly, then the slap would have to happen around 3-5. That "consummation" is so confusing lol, maybe it's not a consummation just them making love, BUT why the weirdness, Lucrezia looking to the side and down when she drops the robe, both of them sitting apart and facing away after the fact. Maybe the leg grab is just foreplay for the consummation ? dunno

DGSAFDMD

So we have more to discuss now thanks to TV GUIDE! (yaay!)

Isn't this contradicting what Holly said tho?

NYPoster

Caroline H it looks like you were close, per the recent news Caterina tries to assassinate the ENTIRE family, so I assume that includes Vanozza and little Giovanni was well. This also confirms that there is no way Cesare is hooking up with Caterina.

Not really, she may trust him but not 100% for whatever the reason will be. But that trust will be restored when they reconcile. But I think that this does confirm that when the initial intimacy occurs, the trust won't be an issue. The mistrust may pop up after Alfonso's death.

Lucrezia dipping into the arts of poison may also be in response to Caterina attempting to assassinate her entire family. She can't fight like Cesare but she can use other means, especially if Caterina is a threat to her son.

Seriu

Hey can you link the tv guide thing, I can't find it.

Sparklyhairnet

I think that despite the distrust, she's still ultimately FORCED to trust him in a lot of matters simply because he's the head of the family. She's keen enough to know that he may be lying, but ultimately trusts that he loves her (after a lot of tragedy/separation) much like the real Lucrezia.

Like... I don't think the real Lucrezia ever was like "Oh right Cesare's a saint" but she did ultimately defer to his decisions (she allegedly started her affair with Francesco Gonzaga to aid Cesare militarily).

I think Showtime's Lucrezia will ultimately head down the same path. She just needs to take her blinders off and see him for what he is. Not the Abelard to her Heloise, but the Valentino to her Madonna Lucrezia.

Edit: Oh, and btw, thanks for the warm welcome and you can all call me Sparkly or Caro to differentiate if you want.

BL.Arinna_1982

Going to bed, guys! Have fun speculating!

NYPoster

Sparkly, I think Lucrezia has a good idea of who Cesare is now *thinking*..although he didn't tell her of all his other activities when she questioned him (Let me see your hand Cesare, I heard they are stained in blood). However I think she has a pretty decent idea. He did give her the knife he used to murder Giovanni Sforza and I think (or we assume) she knows that he killed Juan.

Really, now that's some family loyalty.