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Old 04-08-2015, 12:16 PM
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Thanks! I think that will be Cruella's purpose in the story. Before she departs (Victoria tweeted about wrapping at the end of 4x18 right?) I think she'll reveal where Lily is. That will probably launch Regina and Emma's trip out of town.
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That's a good possibility. I'm interested to see who has history with Cruella and what her happy ending is ...
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:40 PM
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:40 PM
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Thanks Ranma90!

Yeah lets just agree that S2 was a huge cluster mess that even A&E probably wish they could forget.

It must have been really stressful for them to change so much.
I pretend the episode after miller daughter to 2.21 didn't happen. I like some parts of Lacey and evil Queen though but it was to messy
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Not to be argumentative but other nonevil POCs include Rapunzel, Mulan, Cinderella's godmother, Henry Sr, and Marian. The show does lack diversity but not every POC has been a villain. And they have done a nice job with nontraditional casting for Rapunzel, Lancelot, and Marian.

ETA I always thought the S2 mess was because ABC execs (rightfully) told them to shorten Emma and Snow's (not so) Excellent EF adventure and get them back with the main cast. Then Colin broke his leg necessitating another set of rewrites.
Yeah, S2 was pretty messy and you can see plenty of changes in direction while watching it.
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:44 PM
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I pretend the episode after miller daughter to 2.21 didn't happen. I like some parts of Lacey and evil Queen though but it was to messy
To be honest their really isn't any episode i hated i felt they were all good some were better then other's but in general they are all good. I think our POV changes based on what characters we like but i certainly don't think any episodes were a mess
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It wasn't characters I like I just felt the direction was a mess
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:50 PM
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I just had a thought. Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but does anyone think Malificent might die in 4x20 shortly after being reunited with Lily?

I find it very odd that Kirstin wasn't there to film any AU scenes or return to Storybrooke scenes even though Agnes filmed for both. Wouldn't Lily at least have had scenes with her mother upon returning from the AU at the end of 4x22?

That doesn't really make sense to me. It sounds like Malificent just isn't around anymore after 4x20.
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I don't know about Maleficient dying. It's possible Lily snaps and kills her once she fibds out she's part dragon or if the magic in SB activates the darkness inside her. That would be extremely dark even for an episode entitled "Mother" that featured Cora. Or maybe Philip and Aurora seek revenge offscreen. But I hope not and she's just offscreen like Ruby, Jefferson, etc

Any idea what "happy ending" Mal wanted to which Rumple referred in 4.12. Snow and Charming hadn't stolen the egg until after Regina had the Dark Curse so it couldn't be getting her child back.
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To be fair, season 2 had some great episodes. 2.01-2.06 were brillaint. As were 2.08-2.10. And I liked 2.07, 2.11, 2.13-2.15 and 2.21-2.22. It was the rest that were subpar for the series. And the second half lacked cohesion.
I liked season 2 a lot better when I rewatched it on Netflix. I actually liked the first half a lot better then the second. When it first aired, there were a lot of breaks that disrupted the flow of the story.

I hope they give a good reason about why Lily aged but not Ursula and Cruella. The only reason I can think is magic.
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Kristin not filming the finale makes me suspicious, too. She might very well be the one to die.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:25 PM
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Sean just said on twitter that he wrapped.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:28 PM
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As in he wrapped as of today?
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:30 PM
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Sounds like as of today ...

It's likely that they might have needed them for looping ... especially that final scene with the big fans.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:35 PM
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Kristin Bauer van Straten could not film for the finale because she has a big role on a new pilot of ABC's that films in Atlanta, but I do not think the writers killed Maleficent.
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