blaab

Nice post Charmed, I am referring to your earlier one about why you come to this forum and all! I guess I come here for very similar reasons!

Captain nice ones ... I also have a problem with some of the double standards that are imo very much around on this thread. I am under the impression that is what many of your posts are about, pointing out of these double standards. If that is the case, well, it is very much appreciated. If you have a different intention with your posts, well then please explain Don't feel like getting into this specifically again ... because well, done it before and simply don't feel like it ...

Riska

All the JJ together, separated blabla is redundant as well.

blaab

I don't get the idea that the fact that we know as viewers a relationship won't last, makes a relationship that two characters start on a TV show redundant. It's not like the characters already have that information when they start this relationship. I believe they are actually really gonna try to make this work ... There is a story in it, some might not like the story or prefer not to watch it, but to state it is redundant because we already know it won't last is a conclusion I don't get.

Bootie

Many discussions here are redundant - that still doesn't equate with fans being slammed.

Not quite what I said..... it was 2 separate thoughts. I said the storyline seemed redundant - should I have put a "plus" or "since" at the beginning of the next sentence? That might have made it clearer. Many feel the C/L story was laid to rest in the S5 trilogy, hence the redundancy. As a separate thought - since we already know it's not supposed to last, many of us feel there's little point to exploring the relationship.

lemon tart

if we all went into every relationship knowing how it would end, good or bad, it would make life a hell of a lot easier.

blaab

Yeah, and if I would conclude all of my non-successes in life as redundant, damn that would sort of depress me. I for one like to think that even these attempts at least gave me some insight or some valuable lessons ...

TheJSW

XLVIII. 50 is on it's way. Hooray.

Here's what I do not get. Why are Luke and Lorelai fans ANGRY at the lack of positive spoilers? Rosenthal has stated that this thing is going to take time. Why are so many in this thread carrying on as if HAPPY LL SPOILERS will be showing up tomorrow? THIS IS A SLOG! Love, this time around, is not going to come easy for Luke and Lorelai. Yet, in SEPTEMBER, you want HAPPY Luke and Lorelai spoilers? Trade yah? Get a handle on this...please.

Let's move on to the EXPERIENT IN FUTILITY. Refering to it as an EIF remains a rather ridiculous sentiment because...IT'S IMPORTANT TO EACH CHARACTER AND THE OVERALL STORY OF THE SHOW. You can hate Chris with the intensity of a thousand suns. That does not change that Chris and Lorelai (here I am typing this out again!) NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS. If you think you have seen this before. I have 131 episodes that prove...you...WRONG. These two ****ing idiots have been holding onto their TEENAGE SELVES AND THEIR TEENAGE DREAMS for each other...for way too long. If either is ever going to have a productive relationship. They have to let the other...go. This relationship between Chris and Lorelai has never happened before. No matter how much you think it did. It will, hopefully, occur this year. Then everyone can get on with their lives. Chris can finally focus on being a dad to Rory, and Lorelai can focus on herself.

Sandlynn, again, LUKE WOULD HAVE LET LORELAI IN. She never pushed him because her FOLLOW THROUGH SUCKS. She took the path of least resistance. You know, as a real person, that you would not stand for such shenanigans. Lorelai was written to stand for those shenanigans out of a place of fear and low self-esteem that rivals Luke's in this category. How you and countless other female posters, ignore how LORELAI LIED TO LUKE FOR MONTHS TO KEEP THE SUPPOSED PEACE...is confouding. Luke needs to be pushed to let people in. Lorelai never pushes. That's some serious issues right there.

Finally, I am still standing by my spec that the second-half of the season is all about Rory and Logan. It's a RORY year like last year was a LORELAI year. Rosenthal is pulling an okee doke. Wait...and see.

charmed1NM

valuable lessons...what I learned from GG: x's are bad, oh wait Ticks are Bad, Kirk has never bitten anybody, coffee IS a drug
What I wished I'd of learned earlier X's are BAD! I apparently learn at th same pace as Lorelai....kill me now.
Well folks, got to go, my daughter has a soccer game, GO PIRATES! of course what I always thought was funny and way off the subject, the schools in my town have weird mascots, Pirates, Vikings, and Buccaneers, but we are not near any water sources?? odd. well off to sit in the bleachers in the wind and blazing sun, why couldn't my daughter be on the debate team?

carolav

Maybe that actor had a better agent!

lancer1993

I see it like this, we watch the show for enjoyment, if we ship someone and this doen't go how WE want then we feel like we can't enjoy them or the rest of the show.

In the same way Lorelai enjoyed Luke, then she found out apart she didn't enjoy so much, also taking away her chance to give Luke the child he wanted, she felt left out so didn't enjoy any of the relationship in the end (not getting into that she should have spoken up sooner)

I learnt a bunch of stuff doing a 3 day NLP course and with that some parts of the show are making more sense now.

ETA - Digger was only inthe credits for the eps he was in.

Bootie

And yet when she asked him to let her help in SCPP, he slammed the door in her face. Even later when he called for help, he was surprised when she asked if he wanted her to come over - it never occurred to him to ask her to come, he wanted ideas over the phone.

I still say the C/L arc was over in S5, and Amy only revised history because DS was finally available. No amount of hindsight clarity will convince me otherwise.

TheJSW

Craig, that's the thing. I do not necessarily watch the shows I watch for enjoyment. I get more caught up in the story and the characters more than my need to be ENTERTAINED. So, maybe, this is my problem. It's not like I have not been down this road before with folks disappointed at a season six or even fans disappointed with a franchise. It goes on and on and on and on and on. I am personally waiting for the day that I stumble across a place where everyone agrees with me...just to MIX things up.

ETA: Bootie, bull****. Luke would have let her in months earlier. If he was not under the false assumption or the self-induced assumption, that Lorelai agreed with what he was doing. I am refering to Lorelai wanting in around 13, 14, 15, but not SCPP. You and every woman that agrees with you about Luke, would not have waited 8 EPISODES WORTH OF TIME VIA HIATUSES to bust in the door. Lorelai took the path of least resistance. She was scared. Unlike you, I infer from what Luke says in SCPP, that Luke was scared too. Yet, Luke's fear, does not matter as much as Lorelai's? Uh no. It's a joint effort of ****ing this relationship up. Please, deny it all day, but Luke would have let Lorelai in. If she would have pushed. Lorelai, decided not to push, and make herself a victim. This leads to me feeling as if Lorelai wanted out the moment she found out about April in JLG&G. Since a person that loves someone SO MUCH...usually fights instead of acting like a ****ing coward. Which is what Lorelai's behaviour represents in the second-half...COWARDICE. Luke gets the TIN-MAN...because he did not have as much heart as he should have.

lancer1993

NO and YES

I agree that Luke only let Lorelia in as a last option but once there he asked her to stay and the rest can go a number of ways depending where you stand on it.

ITA that C&L were over before this season,
It was over in season one when she said NO to the proposal.
It was over when she was rejected in the diner in season 2.
It was over when Chris left her to be with Sherri.
It was over in season 3 when Chris was off with his new family.
It was over in season 5 when she told Chris to go away!

When the frakkin hell will this all end! It will be over after they marry then divorce?

TheJSW

It was NOT OVER in season ONE, Craig. Again, there are a 131 episodes of antedotal evidence that prove all of us WRONG (except victorialeigh), that assumed Chris and Lorelai were over. It has nothing to do with hindsight. It has to do with a tightly woven narrative that does not make everything as obvious and glaring as a procedural. Chris and Lorelai were destined to happen as much as Luke and Lorelai. Disagree all you want, but they have never ever been written to be two people who have gotten past their teenage years. Now is the time that they grow up. It could not come soon enough. If you think about. Lorelai has really not opened a new chapter in her life. She has had moments and events but she has not had obvious moments of turning the page like Rory has had. This whole storyline fascinates me because I want to see how Luke and Lorelai work their way back to one another. That might really be like a cleansing rain after crawling through 500 yards of ****.

caf123

Hmmm. I think my 5 boxes are dustier than yours, lol. I’m not getting season 6. But for those who are buying but not watching – why not at least wait until Target discounts it to $18 or $19. Usually happens about six months after release.


Eh, I’ll bite. It’s not a dig because DR said: “Do I think Luke and Lorelai ultimately are soul mates? I do. I really do. But does that mean they’re going to run off together tomorrow and live happily ever after? No. They’re at a point where they both have some regrowing and changing to do, and some things to figure out."

The EiF title came from another board, and spread like wildfire. It's actually more a criticism of the concept of “separate journeys” that the show is trying to feed “fans who don’t know what they want” than of Christopher himself.

Even many viewers who like Christopher and will enjoy watching it, also think the L/C coupling is doomed.

Seriously, when a woman says she's only loved one man, then starts up a relationship with another - as LG said, because she apparently can't be alone for two minutes - "experiment in futility" is actually quite accurate.

Sounds about right. At least around here.

Eh, I thought I was the only one. Got a funny story about that, too.