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And no, they couldn't live human lives or make human connections if they gave everything to the war. And they didn't abandon the war. At the end of season 2 they found out that if they'd gone back with Tess, they'd have been betrayed and killed. Then Tess used the Granilith to leave and after that they didn't have much oppurtunity to do anything about the war. And when Kivar presented them with an oppurtunity they did something significant. __________________
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Just because someone doesn't like the direction that the show was taken doesn't mean that they have hatred for the show. It means that they care enough about it to care if it was ruined in their eyes. I'm sorry that you don't like it when someone disagrees with you. I stated Let's just agree to disagree. To me that would have been the end of this discussion. Again, Let's just agree here to disagree. Obviously this discussion is making you feel bad and I don't want that. Also obviously we will never agree on things about Roswell like I said several posts ago. So again for the 3rd time please. Let's just agree here to disagree on this issue. I like season one and most of season 2 if you would like to talk about that. Last edited by Subject; 09-27-2004 at 01:39 AM |
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Fav SCIFI TV Series.....Starting with Roswell
Ok, we can't have an outright Roswell thread, since this isn't the roswell board, but we can have a Favorite Scifi TV series, featuring Roswell.
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So this is now a topic for talking about any sci-fi show that we really liked?
Sorry, I just wasn't really clear. If so, I really liked First Wave. The idea of it the struggle of good vs. evil Gua vs. human. Yet they blended the lines of good and evil. Joshua was Gua for instance yet he was good in my eyes. |
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Killed Kivar?
They pushed him through a transportation portal leading back to his royal palace, causing him to lose control of the human he was possessing. In my experience, pushing people through doorways, or into a car, whatever, doesn't kill them. But hey. This is season 3 we're talking about. So, whatever. I fully agree with Subject regarding the destruction of the characters. It's very sad, and a very real betrayal. Sum1, you make an excellent point about the humanity of the Pod Squad. I agree with you They're as much human as alien, and living among humanity seems a valid choice to me. |
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I can't say that i watched Roswell all that much, though I hear it was pretty cool.
First wave I caught a bit of, especially after Traci Lords started on it. __________________
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As for Season 1. The best thing to me about that season was the relationship between Max and Liz. It was so beautiful even after I started thinking about Max/Tess. Max and Liz had a pure caring feeling for each other. I moved and didn't catch Roswell until I got cable back when it was in reruns. The only that kept me going those months without cable was rewatching the first episodes end. When Max went to talk to Liz. I watched that scene over and over again. That season between them was one of the best teen relationships that I've seen. First Wave was still good with Traci on it. I liked how they introduced Raven Nation. That preview was killer. "We are Raven Nation. A hidden army in a seceret war. Cade Foster was our prophet. What he exposed inspired us to unite. But now the invasion is going down. And Cade's methods are not enough.... We're not exposing them......we're takin em out. " |
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Yikes.
Another Roswell fan weighing in here. I've loved plenty of different sci-fi stories (Star Trek, B5, Andromeda, Stargate, and now Atlantis, to name just a few), but Roswell has a special place in my heart. I love the premise, the reincarnated alien royalty caught between two worlds, the "who's inhuman now?" aspect of the story. The writing was frequently excellent, the actors made me care about the characters and feel for them (or, in the case of Agent Pierce, hate their guts ), and the messy experience of growing up (and screwing up) was portrayed realistically, with an alien twist. That's not to say I don't have problems with the show. I have problems with virtually any show I watch, whether it's storylines, lack of continuity, plots that seemingly drop from the sky, or one of Roswell's biggest problems, wonderful storylines that simply weren't followed up on. But for me, my quibbles don't even begin to outweigh my affection for this story. |
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I actually started watching this on sci-fi, and am now thinking of eventually picking up the DVDs. I've enjoyed what I've seen.
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Michael: Brendan made him both the most human and the most alien of the aliens. Real impressive job.
The "destiny" thing: It wasn't really destiny. "Destiny" implies something set by fate or some sort of higher power. But the pod squad's so-called "destiny" was just what was planned for them by the people who gentically engineered them. And they were made from the combined material of the original royal 4 plus 4 humans. The original humans had their own existences, with no alien "destiny". The original royal 4 were Antarian royalty, but there's nothing to show they had any special "destiny" set in stone. They just had certain positions and had certain things happen to them. Combining those human and alien elements doesn't create people with some special destiny, it's just that the people who engineered the pod squad had plans to use them for something specific and for them to do certain things. But there's nothing to say that's the pod squad's true destiny. The genetic materials they were made of had an existence separate from what their engineers had planned for them, so the pod squad had an existence separate from their engineers' plans. Their true destiny was their own, not that chosen for them by their engineers. The planned destiny (the war, Max/Tess, etc) might have been their true destiny, but equally it might not have been. We'll never know what their true destiny was. All we know is that the plans of the Antarians who engineered the pod squad by no means necessarily constitute a definite destiny. The term "Rebel Alliance" as applied to Max/Tess: I'm often a tad puzzled by the names people use for ships. For example, Buffy/Angel is called "Immortal Lovers". But Buffy isn't immortal and that's one of the reasons Angel broke up with her and said they couldn't be together. And Spike is just as immortal as Angel is. Just one of many examples of puzzling ship names. In the case of Max/Tess being called "the Rebel Alliance", well, to me Liz/Max seems more the real rebel alliance, a rebellion against the plans that had been made for the royal 4, a union between a hybrid half-alien and a full human. True rebellion. Heck, it was even started by Max rebelling against the rigid secrecy and isolation he, Michael and Isabel had adhered to for a decade. Liz/Max was a rebellion from the very outset and from its foundations up. Max/Tess was a union planned by the pod squad's genetic engineers and based on a royal marriage and that doesn't seem much like a rebellion to me. That's the establishment, Liz/Max is the rebellion. Quote:
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I loved the first sixteen episodes and have a so-so relationship with the rest.
The three driving creative forces behind the first 16 left the show due to diffrences with the showrunner Jason Katims. The three were David Nutter (who wrote the show's bible and took it with him when he left) Thania St. John Emily Whitsell When those 3 left Roswell started to decline and never recovered. __________________
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Anyone else remember Earth 2? That was good. And the setting of a new colony is a hugely underutilized type of science fiction.
My strongest feelings, both love and hate, go to Roswell. It went through many metamorphoses - both for individual characters, and for the show as a whole. The first season remains among the very best television I've ever seen (I'd rank it with S3 Buffy, S5 Angel, S1 West Wing, etc.). It was about several things. Trying to fit in. Fighting for a normal life. And it was about three very different variations on a common theme; three relationships between humans and aliens. Maybe Roswell could work without the first of those. Maybe it could work once the dream of normal lives was ended for good by the revelations of the S1 finale, "Destiny." But I don't think it worked very well without the second, the three human-alien relationships that developed from the beginning, each different from one another, each an essential aspect of what it is to be human, what it is to be alien, what it means to bring those things together. And certainly without both themes it could not work. |
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