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I only liked season 2 Pacey. When he was with Andie, and he was more confident and secure than he ever had been and ever would be again. IMO Joey could never have been the "love of his life" because he hated himself when he was with her. I believe he loved her, but you can never love somebody if you don't love yourself.
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If you've watched the series, all six seasons(including the series finale) you'd see that it was never the girl that he was dating at the time that made him feel like crap, it was emotional damage his family did to him. |
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I agree that season 2 is the only season that Pacey is somewhat bearable. I made a more detailed post on my blog about some of the reasons I don't like Pacey if anyone wants to check it out the address is http://tvforoneandall.blogspot.com.a...ey-witter.html
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I think people are missing a few obvious points about Pacey's emotional problems. While it is true to say that no one should 'blame' Joey for them, the fact is that when Pacey was with Andie he began to get his emotional problems sorted out - partly because she gave him the confidence to see himself as a good human being - while when he was with Joey, things got worse for him (because she made him feel like 'nothing'). He was starting to be a good student by the end of season two, by the end of season four he was lucky to graduate. This is not Joey's 'fault' so much as the fact that he was in the wrong relationship, which undermined his self-confidence. And who can blame him to some extent. if you were going out with a person who thought that their ex-boyfriend was the greatest human being on the planet and their soul mate, that would have a negative affect on your emotional confidence. Again, it isn't Joey's 'fault' that she feels like this about Dawson (the reason for the show after all was that they were soul mates), but the two of them should really have realised that they weren't good for each other. She didn't 'do' anything to Pacey, but she certainly never provided what I would call an emotionally safe context in which Pacey could begin to address his family difficulties. it is rather amazing that even though Andie was effectively going through a breakdown throughout season 2, she managed to stabilise Pacey and help him to seethe potential he had - and she was prepared to talk to Pacey's father and give him some home truths (see the Season 2 finale). Can anyone really imagine Joey intervening like that? Not possible. I like Pacey, but certainly don't feel pity for him. I do worry about his long term psychological health now that he is with Joey again (because - as his behaviour in the final episodes prove - he is still emotionally damaged and acting out).
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I think it is pretty clear that Andie was a much better match for Pacey and helped keep him stable. However, just because his family had affected him badly he still shouldn't have behaved like he did. For example the way he treats his brother Doug throughout the series by calling him gay and insinuating this even before he has came out is something that isn't necessary and that was used for comedy but I think it just made him look like a jerk.
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I always thought that while Joey and Dawson and the other series regulars eventually grew up and at least started to make a life for themselves outside of Capeside that Pacey was the one who always struggled and I don't blame Dawson and Joey for the fact that after Andie left he always seemed to be able to take two steps forward and then two steps back and Pacey seemed like Peter Pan or the kid who never grew up in my opinion.
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I agree that he never really seemed to move forward or grow up. I think this made it feel so imporssible to me that he ended up so successful by the end of the show and owned his own restaurant
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you know, i held onto a little bit of like for pacey during my season one and two rewatch. i really did! and i was pleasantly surprised to watch pacey continue to bloom during the beginning of season three... until his feelings for joey emerged and he slid right back into me wanting to punch his face in a la season one and his beyond unforgivable relationship with tamara. what's worse is how pacey belittles the dawson/joey relationship while, not only betraying his BEST FRIEND, but then has the breathtaking audacity to be snide about dawson in the first couple of eps of season four! oh, and let's not mention how jealous he is of joey for getting, gasp, a job! the only person to blame for you being a simpleton IS YOURSELF! my god! the writers just blew up his character up for me, without any hope of recovery. EVERRR!
i seriously cannot wait until pacey ends up dumping joey at prom. dawson said to her face, this. will. happen! WELP! now, if only i can forever avoid the series finale. #ithinkijustmight |
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I didnt like when he was with Joey. He never did anything romantic for her imo but yet for the others he did. I love Pacey when he's romantic, not depressed. He was more tolerable with Andie and Audrey imo. He didn't hesitate to do anything romantic (airport, flower, etc.) but with joey, nope. I never saw anything.
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I am first and foremost a Josh Jackson fan, so the whole debate on who Pacey should have ended up with takes a back burner for me. However, I still am a Pacey fan. I only saw DC for the first time last year after becoming a JJ fan while watching Fringe. I felt that Pacey put way more into the relationship with Andie than she did and that was proven on several occasions, so I was not surprised or disappointed when that relationship ended. With Audrey, that was more for fun right from the beginning and although the airport scene was romantic, it was much too early on for it to be a big gesture of love. With Joey, they had a lot of history, so it was a growing relationship based on mutual respect and acceptance. To say that Pacey did not do any huge romantic gesture is not true because after all he did buy (leased) her a wall. Most of his romantic gestures were more personal, like telling her that she was beautiful or that she deserved to go to Worthington (and that whole speech there). I liked all of Pacey's relationships but only because I like watching Pacey and how he was with each one of them. Josh is an amazing actor and made each relationship unique. Last edited by JJH85; 12-27-2013 at 11:42 PM |
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I have to disagree with Pacey put more into his relationship with Andie then she put in.
Andie took him from being a loser to a pretty self-confident good student. That takes a lot of hard work and emotional involvement. Pacey was there for Andie for her mother and when she had her breakdown. They had a close loving relationship that never should have been ended the way it was. Pacey is also a total hypocrite. His refusal to dance with Andie and then jumping all over Christy Livingstone first chance he got...Most girls would have sent him packing for good after that one. His telling Andie that it would be an honour to take her to the prom when his only motives was to be there to see Joey and or spy on Joey and Dawson. Pacey knowingly took advantage of her feelings for him. The great moral Pacey having the affair with the married woman at the end of the series. Then the stupidest line ever in the show. When he told Andie that he suspected his was not enough for her, because she slipped into mental illness. Effectively meaning if they loved each other more she would have not went nuts. The writer who came up with that line should have been fired and never allowed to write again. I don't agree with the venue Pacey choose to tell off Joey (Promicide), but everything he said was pretty accurate. Overall I like Pacey, but he is not the super good guy of the series. |
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