serendipity or fate

Really? Nah, Kevin talked a ton since the finale about how if Nina hadn't left, they would have ended up together, and even Julie said the same (which is fairly ridiculous). And in Season 2-3 KW always said that SE were the end goal, and even Julie mentioned something similar in Season 4. It's so frustrating.

hurricane eyes

Yeah, but they were also planning to kill off both Damon and Stefan and have Elena be happy and human in the end and DS would be ghosts watching her from "the other side" before they destroyed it.

sparethetragic

The issue for me is that they could have wrote S6 so differently. While KW had already left the show, Plec could have written Nina's final season so differently, as contract negotiations always take place in the beginning of your final contracted season. JP knew Nina would be exiting the series at that point, yet she chose to stick with DE.

The problem is that they had replanted the seeds of SE in S5, with the doppelgangers, the visions, etc. They could have circled back to it -- they had 22 episodes in S6 to change the endgame. They could have written Elena as torn, even, and that sleeping beauty arc could have been her time of clarity to make a concise decision.

It's hard for me to digest, because JP and co had the power to change how this played out. What enrages me, however, is that she strung SE/Bamon shippers along for multiple seasons only to basically say "Just kidding, guys!" when the finale came to fruition.

Stefan deserved better. Stelena deserved better. The fans deserved better.

Truthisbeauty

^THIS. This is what I've been feeling too. Yet they blame Nina for leaving--the show had already been declining in quality since S4 in my opinion. I don't know the exact circumstances, so I can't say for sure. Perhaps the network wanted them to continue for years on end so they didn't want to start writing SE for it would be the final arc. However, it does seem that they had plenty of time to begin to turn Elena around back to Stefan. And it frustrates me as a Bamon shipper too--since they had the perfect opportunity to have Damon move on with Bonnie--after putting them together in S6 in the prison world and then having Elena forget him!!!

As someone said earlier, the sire bond would have been a good excuse to begin going back to SE. It seemed at first that they were going there with that, except that it made Damon feel too insecure--that Elena's love for him was only because of his blood. I can see that--but they did leave it (sort of) ambiguous. They could have had Damon know Elena's love for him was still real in another way, while leaving the door open for her to go back to Stefan. I do feel a lot of things were done not in the name of good character moments but to increase the drama--in other words, to keep us watching. That's great, but at a certain point viewers feel used.

I love that scene between Stefan and Elena in the end and what she said about Stefan helping her live again. To me, I thought that showed that they still have love for one another. I didn't have as much invested as some of you, so of course I understand your disappointment though--although I suspect your disappointment, as is mine, goes further back than this one ep.

serendipity or fate

Ugh, as painful as these conversations are, I'm so happy I get to come here and commisserate. You guys are SO right.

I'm ALWAYS hung up on the fact that they had to perfect excuse to have Elena fall in love with Damon... and then not... with the sire bond storyline in Season 4.

But even after that, they had SO MANY opportunities to turn things back towards SE, or at least not completely crap on all of their history.

You're right, Kat, so right. And the fact that, after the finale, Julie had the audacity to say that they was more of an SE fan than DE just makes me want to laugh forever. I was around in the early seasons constantly. We all heard and read her unending love for DE. Ugh. So ridiculous.

And I will never, ever get over the Bamon stuff. I LOVED Bonnie (always hated Damon), but they're friendship was probably the only bright spot about the later seasons and I was always hoping that it would be more. It would've been a great story (at least we had Enzo... UNTIL THEY EFFING KILLED HIM AND RUINED EVERYTHING). You're absolutely right, they totally could've finally pushed them over the edge of platonic in Season 5 and I'm so disappointed that they didn't..

Thinking about it all now, it's honestly kind of hilarious... the ways that the show always seemed to accidentally steer itself back towards SE. And I will forever be disappointed that they didn't capitalize on the billions of chances they could have had. Ugh.

bellagrey13

yup. as I said before this would have been the true ending but Julie had to cater to crazy fans who threaten her life everyday so she doesn't have to deal with them so done with this stupid series

hurricane eyes

It really makes me wonder if she had any intention on making SE a thing or if she just used Nina leaving as a way to explain away her not going back in that direction. S6 was when SC started and also DE rediscovering each other. It could have easily turned into SE finding solace and love in each other again - especially during that scene they pretended to be other people in a bar and got "engaged". There were hints from s5 into early s6. She could have easily gone with SE even with Nina leaving. It would have had the same impact as Damon dying and then coming back to life only to lose Elena again. Elena never got her memories of her and Damon back so why couldn't she have just naturally gravitated back to Stefan if that was an actual option? It really seems like a bunch of crap to appease fans so that Nina gets the blame because she was ready to move on.

live-laugh-love

Its definitely nice to think of a SE ending but i really hate the writers saying its Ninas fault. Its not fair for her, they had both season 5 and 6 to make it happen and they didnt so all of this is just bs. Maybe KW wanted a SE ending but im sure JP didnt.

serendipity or fate

Blaming Nina is crap, I agree.


THIS THIS THIS THIS. All that crap about wanting to put them back together is so demonstrably false! She also talked about how "human" Elena only loved Stefan and it reminded me of the sire bond theory all over again. It's so frustrating to think about BECAUSE of how many avenues there were to steer things in a different direction. She just straight up chose not to.

You can't kill me!

I am also not impressed with how Kevin implied that without Elena, Stefan's life wasn't as important. I can appreciate that Kevin has always loved SE and that he actually did want them to be endgame, but his interviews post the last episode have done nothing but anger and infuriate me. SE's potential never faded away, so all the excuses in the world for them not putting them back together are bullcrap.. at least to me anyway

serendipity or fate

Ugh, I knowwww. What a damn joke. I made my boyfriend watch the pilot with me the other day 'cause I was so sad and he was like, "Wait... The guy doing the voiceovers... The guy that the camera follows almost exclusively? HE DIES?!"

Truthisbeauty

^That's the one thing that makes me feel good about Stefan dying as opposed to Damon. I agree with what KW said, that Stefan was the hero of the show. I had forgotten he did the voice overs. Also, I used to think it was called "The Vampire Diaries" because Elena was writing about vampires, but later read it was about Stefan, the vampire, keeping a diary.

Does anyone know when KW left the show initially? (I know he came back for this whole season.)

It does always seem that Julie was more a fan of Damon and of DE. She was very outspoken about that. If actually true, and not just to get fans riled up, then she wasn't objective about her creation. On one hand it's fun because it makes her seem like a fan like us, but on the other hand, if you are more objective about your art work, then you can see better where it wants you to go.

This all so much reminds me of LOST. (I won't put spoiler quotes since the show is over and maybe it's better to know what you are in for anyway, but stop reading if you plan to watch Lost and you don't want to know.) The character Jack looked like the hero in the beginning, but then the writers spent the next five seasons dumping on him and on his relationship with Kate while being merciful towards everyone else, and most fans followed their lead. His rival for her affections is like Damon, "the bad boy". Like Stefan he was also too hard on himself--and that was his problem. Then at the end he likewise sacrifices himself and everyone realizes he was the main hero of the show and likes him again. Unlike Stefan he gets the girl in the end--the VERY END--as in the afterlife, which they show, as TVD did. I understand the writers' point in doing this, but it was too heavy-handed. The writing on LOST was better than on TVD, and the writers were secretly rooting for Jack all along. Stefan was probably better liked than Jack, but both shows were great at providing WTF moments yet overly manipulative in telling fans which characters and relationships to root for and which to boo.

quin0611

Stelena's last hand hold!

imane111

Seriously, the writers trying to blame Nina for stelena not being endgame is pathetic.

They had the chance to end delena in s5 when both realized how toxic they were together, but chose not to.

They had the chance to end delena in season 6 when Elena was compelled to forget her love for Damon, and chose not to.Instead had her fall for Damon all over again.

They had the chance to end delena in season 6 when she became human(since she said she didn't care what human Elena would do because she's not there but vampire elena is) and have her choose Stefan but no,hey had her choose Damon again.

They could have had Elena leave town at the end of season 6,moving on from both brothers,have Stefan try to move on for s7and s8 and in the finale have Elena come back because she couldn't get over him and him not over her and have them reunite.But chose not to

dk111

Exactly they are just talking.. there were good moments even after season 4. I will never forgive them