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Definitely. They were both strong women in a field dominated by men, and used to having to push a little to be taken seriously. It really would have been nice to have had more episodes with prominent interaction between these two.
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There were always characters on this show that I wished had interacted more with each other over the years and Janeway and B'Elanna were definitely one of them.
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It would have been nice to see more of Harry on his own, although I really liked his friendship with Tom.
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Since Harry was so young, there was a lot of potential to show growth in his character. Unfortunately the writers never really explored that. Oh well. As you mentioned before, his friendship with Tom was a highlight of the series.
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I liked seeing Harry in charge while most of the command officers were in 1996 Earth in Future's End. He did seem stressed about having to make all the big decisions though.
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Watched "Faces" again yesterday. It has some of my favorite B'Elanna scenes ever. One of my favorites is when her human and Klingon sides are talking to each other. Still one of my favorite episodes of the series.
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That episode really showed how she drew strength from both her Klingon and Human attributes, whereas I think she tended to think of herself as more Klingon than Human.
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I have recently begun watching Voyager in its entirety after having originally seen much of the series in syndication, having read all but one of Christie Golden and Kirsten Beyer's continuation novels, and having listened to many of the Trek.fm To the Journey podcast discussions, and have reached the firm conclusion that, despite various claims to the contrary, there is a great deal of serialization and continuity to the series that gets largely overlooked, and have decided to post some in-depth analyses of the continuity and serialization of the series and how both of these things relate to and/or are affected by the producer mandate that things by and large be 'reset' at the conclusion of each episode.
The first thing I'm going to talk about is the issue of in-universe story continuity. Although things were, as noted, largely 'reset' at the conclusion of any given episode, there is nevertheless a sense of forward progression and sequential development that is primarily manifest in the form of character development and progression and that actually belies the desires of the producers to be able to have the series syndicated in any order. Several good examples of this from very early on in the series are the evolution of the 'crew dynamic' in the episodes Caretaker, Parallax, The Cloud, Eye of the Needle, Ex Post Facto, and Prime Factors, which manifests as follows: * Janeway and Chakotay announce their intent to merge the Voyager and Valjean crews into one and Janeway allows Neelix and Kes to stay onboard (Caretaker) * As the process of actually creating a single crew out of two begins to be put into practice, tensions and friction arises but is ultimately resolved - at least temporarily - through crisis (Parallax, Time and Again, Phage, The Cloud, Eye of the Needle, Emanations, Prime Factors) * Neelix and Kes try to acclimate themselves to Voyager and ' find' themselves a place among her crew, sometimes awkwardly, with Kes ultimately becoming the ship's unofficial 'gardener' and chief nurse (thanks to forming a friendship with The Doctor) and Neelix ultimately becoming the ship's unofficial chef and 'morale officer' (Parallax, Phage, The Cloud, Eye of the Needle, Ex Post Facto, Emanations) * Thanks to Kes, The Doctor ceases to be thought of - and think of himself - as just a 'temporary medical tool' and instead as a valued and valuable full-time crew member (Time and Again, Eye of the Needle, Ex Post Facto) * Tom and Harry's friendship starts to gel as Tom tries to get Harry to help him pick up women, specifically the Delaney sisters, and they work together on different projects (Caretaker, Time and Again, Ex Post Facto) * Janeway begins to let her guard down and get to know her crew as a whole (Parallax, Time and Again, The Cloud, Eye of the Needle, Ex Post Facto, Emanations, Prime Factors) There are other examples from much later in the series that I don't have time to delve into in depth, but they include the gradual development of Tom and B'Elanna's romance, the crew's search for ways to shorten their journey home, and the progressive evolution of The Doctor's program, abilities, and individuality. With regards to serialization, each of the seasons has a common element or theme that is revisited or that is running through any given number of episodes and that serves to 'unite' the episodes of a particular season together, as follows: Season One The first season of the series is focused on the Starfleet and Maquis crew and their passengers/alien guests coming together, their search for resources and ways to get home, on their encounters with various Delta Quadrant races, inhabitants, and phenomena, and on the development and progression of the show's main characters. Season Two Season Two is largely focused on both internal and external threats posed to the ship and her crew in the form of Seska and the Kazon, Michael Jonas, and the Vidiians, and the ways in which the stress caused by these threats begins to unravel the crew's sense of togetherness and cohesion, juxtaposed against the expansion of the crew and the establishment or continued development of various character relationships. Season Three Season Three begins to set the stage for the primary over-arching conflict between Voyager's crew and the Borg that will ultimately come to define and feature heavily in the show's remaining seasons, and introduces new character dynamics and antagonists as well, such as the introduction of possible romance between Tom and B'Elanna, the Krenim, and a return encounter with Q. Season Four Season Four is primarily focused on integrating Seven of Nine into both the show and the crew, on shortening the distance between the ship and Earth, on establishing the crew as a family and their surroundings as 'home', and on reconnecting the ship with Starfleet, which leads directly to the introduction of a dangerous new antagonist in the form of the Hirogen. Conflict also brews between Voyager and Species 8472 independent of the latter's issues with the Borg. Season Five Season Five is focused primarily on introducing some gritty and grim elements into the show in the form of character development for various characters, moral quandaries as embodied by the likes of the Malon and the Equinox crew, and the return in force of the Borg. Season Six Season Six is a 'rebuilding' season of sorts, focusing primarily on character development, the introduction of new characters and antagonists, and the return of familiar ally and antagonist races and characters such as the Hirogen, the Klingons, the Borg, Kes, and Reginald Barclay, and on furthering the shortening of the ship's journey back to the Alpha Quadrant. Season Seven Season Seven is focused primarily on resolving or revisiting story threads, encounters with familiar races, and character relationships from the previous six seasons, and on concluding the ship's journey with a successful return to Earth. The season also introduces a few new races and character dynamics, such as the Quarren and the romantic relationship between Seven and Chakotay. Furthermore, the producers might've wanted to create a series in Voyager that could be syndicated out of order, but the episodes that were being written and the stories that were being told do not, in the end, mesh with that idea even though things do by and large end up 'back in the box' after nearly every episode. I have and will continue to view Voyager as being the Star Trek equivalent of a 'serialized procedural', where you have a series that IS episodic, but that still has a 'through-line' of serialization and serialized elements running through it. IOW, people might talk about how Voyager doesn't have any continuity or serialization and that the producers designed it that way, but the reality of the situation is that there is in fact a 'proper' order in which to view the series, an order that is as follows: Season 1 1x01/1x02: Caretaker 1x03: Parallax 1x04: Time and Again 1x05: Phage 1x06: The Cloud 1x07: Eye of the Needle 1x08: Ex Post Facto 1x09: Emanations 1x10: Prime Factors 1x11: State of Flux 1x12: Heroes and Demons 1x13: Cathexis 1x14: Faces 1x15: Jetrel 1x16: Learning Curve 1x17: Projections 1x18: Elogium 1x19: Twisted 1x20: The 37s Season 2 2x01: Initiations 2x02: Non Sequitur 2x03: Paruition 2x04: Persistence of Vision 2x05: Tattoo 2x06: Cold Fire 2x07: Maneuvers 2x08: Resistance 2x09: Prototype 2x10: Death Wish 2x11: Alliances 2x12: Threshold 2x13: Meld 2x14: Dreadnought 2x15: Lifesigns 2x16: Investigations 2x17: Deadlock 2x18: Innocence 2x19: The Thaw 2x20: Tuvix 2x21: Resolutions 2x22: Basics, Part 1 Season 3 3x01: Basics, Part 2 3x02: Sacred Ground 3x03: False Profits 3x04: Flashback 3x05: The Chute 3x06: Remember 3x07: The Swarm 3x08: Future's End, Part 1 3x09: Future's End, Part 2 3x10: Warlord 3x11: The Q and the Gray 3x12: Macrocosm 3x13: Alter Ego 3x14: Fair Trade 3x15: Blood Fever 3x16: Coda 3x17: Unity 3x18: Rise 3x19: Darkling 3x20: Favorite Son 3x21: Before and After 3x22: Real Life 3x23: Distant Origins 3x24: Displaced 3x25: Worst Case Scenario 3x26: Scorpion, Part 1 Season 4 4x01: Scorpion, Part 2 4x02: The Gift 4x03: Nemesis 4x04: Day of Honor 4x05: Revulsion 4x06: The Raven 4x07: Scientific Method 4x08: Year of Hell, Part 1 4x09: Year of Hell, Part 2 4x10: Random Thoughts 4x11: Concerning Flight 4x12: Mortal Coil 4x13: Message in a Bottle 4x14: Waking Moments 4x15: Hunters 4x16: Prey 4x17: Retrospect 4x18: The Killing Game, Part1 4x19: The Killing Game, Part 2 4x20: Vis a Vis 4x21: The Omega Directive 4x22: Unforgettable 4x23: Living Witness 4x24: Demon 4x25: One 4x26: Hope and Fear Season 5 5x01: Night 5x02: Drone 5x03: Extreme Risk 5x04: In the Flesh 5x05: Once Upon a Time 5x06: Nothing Human 5x07/: Timeless 5x08: Thirty Days 5x09: Infinite Regress 5x10: Counterpoint 5x11: Gravity 5x12: Latent Image 5x13: Bride of Chaotica! 5x14: The Fight 5x15: Bliss 5x16: The Disease 5x17/5x18: Dark Frontier 5x19: Course: Oblivion 5x20: Think Tank 5x21: Juggernaught 5x22: Someone to Watch Over Me 5x23: 11:59 5x24: Relativity 5x25: Warhead 5x26: Equinox, Part 1 Season 6 6x01: Equinox, Part 2 6x02: Survival Instinct 6x03: Barge of the Dead 6x04: Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy 6x05: Dragon's Teeth 6x06: Alice 6x07: Riddles 6x08: One Small Step 6x09: The Voyager Conspiracy 6x10: Pathfinder 6x11: Fair Haven 6x12: Tsunkatse 6x13: Blink of an Eye 6x14: Virtuoso 6x15: Collective 6x16: Memorial 6x17: Spirit Folk 6x18: Ashes to Ashes 6x19: Child's Play 6x20: Good Shepherd 6x21: Fury 6x22: Live Fast and Prosper 6x23: Life Line 6x24: Muse 6x25: The Haunting of Deck 12 6x26: Unimatrix Zero, Part 1 Season 7 7x01: Unimatrix Zero, Part 2 7x02: Drive 7x03: Imperfection 7x04: Critical Care 7x05: Repression 7x06: Inside Man 7x07/7x08: Flesh and Blood 7x09: Body and Soul 7x10: Nightingale 7x11: Shattered 7x12: Lineage 7x13: Repentance 7x14: Prophecy 7x15: The Void 7x16: Workforce, Part 1 7x17: Workforce, Part 2 7x18: Human Error 7x19: Q2 7x20: Author, Author 7x21: Friendship One 7x22: Natural Law 7x23: Homestead 7x24: Renaissance Man 7x25/7x26: Endgame __________________
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Totally agree with you about how we got to see the crew dynamic evolve, especially on these points.
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I have a correction to make concerning the episode order I posted above. I had inverted Lifesigns and Investigations based on production number, but did not realize that, despite being produced before Lifesigns, Investigations is actually set after it (which is the order in which it was aired, making the airdate order the correct order).
Drive should also be the second episode of Season 7 as opposed to the 3rd despite being both produced and aired as such. __________________
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Thanks for the update.
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The episodes do largely stand alone, but there's still a sequence to them, and the references/callbacks to previous episodes/events are more frequent than people realize, although they're not always direct.
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It's been a while since I've watched any Voyager. I should rectify that.
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