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Old 05-22-2012, 08:40 AM
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I just watched the Leno interview. You did just see that wall come up when Leno asked about Whitney. I also just found this where he's asked if he watched Bobbi Kristina speak at the Billboard Music Awards. He said he did and was glad to see her out but it's hard for him to listen to the song so he had to walk out of the room.

Kevin Costner on Whitney Houston Tribute at BMAs | ETonline.com
Thank you for posting the link. Wow, the fact that he took the time to watch the BBMA speaks volumes. Like he said, that song was the film score of their life together. Oh Whitney....... He can't watch TBG, he can't listen to IWALY. Each day a little nugget comes out. I DVR Leno, I still have to watch that.
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I just watched the Leno interview. You did just see that wall come up when Leno asked about Whitney. I also just found this where he's asked if he watched Bobbi Kristina speak at the Billboard Music Awards. He said he did and was glad to see her out but it's hard for him to listen to the song so he had to walk out of the room.

Kevin Costner on Whitney Houston Tribute at BMAs | ETonline.com
The media ain't letting up on Kevin and Whitney anytime soon. They smell smoke. It's funny because the name of the ET video/interview in "Kevin Costner on Whitney Houston..." but only the last 30 secs or so were actually about Whitney by way of BK. They gon' link these two together forever!

With the Leno interview I did see that wall and hesitancy. I almost think Kevin thought he was gonna get out of this interview without being asked about Whitney. Not a chance! I think Leno like most of us suspects they may have been closer than what appears. Also, given how emotional Kevin got with his eulogy I guess by getting permission, Leno was just making sure Kevin was ok to talk about Whitney. No objective person who listened to that eulogy would not suspect *something*
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Also, given how emotional Kevin got with his eulogy I guess by getting permission, Leno was just making sure Kevin was ok to talk about Whitney.
I think Leno is the only one who actually asked permission from KC to talk about Whitney which I really like that he did and think it was very nice of him to do.
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I think Leno is the only one who actually asked permission from KC to talk about Whitney which I really like that he did and think it was very nice of him to do.
Yea I think you are right b/c I dnt remember anyone else asking if it was ok. I think Jay Leno suspected since the eulogy that KC's feelings ran deeper than any of us couldve imagined, and that its not cool to come out and ask KC about Whitney. For a minute I didnt think Jay was gonna bring up Whitney.
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Yea I think you are right b/c I dnt remember anyone else asking if it was ok. I think Jay Leno suspected since the eulogy that KC's feelings ran deeper than any of us couldve imagined, and that its not cool to come out and ask KC about Whitney.
Yeah I really wish more of the reporters/interviewers were like that I mean to ask permission first and I think we all suspected something more happened after that eulogy anyway and that it wasn't just a friendship.
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I just watched the Leno interview. You did just see that wall come up when Leno asked about Whitney. I also just found this where he's asked if he watched Bobbi Kristina speak at the Billboard Music Awards. He said he did and was glad to see her out but it's hard for him to listen to the song so he had to walk out of the room.

Kevin Costner on Whitney Houston Tribute at BMAs | ETonline.com
I didn't see the interview, but just hearing your report on it makes me sad all over again. He has to leave the room when the song comes on? That's heartbreaking.
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With the Leno interview I did see that wall and hesitancy. I almost think Kevin thought he was gonna get out of this interview without being asked about Whitney. Not a chance! I think Leno like most of us suspects they may have been closer than what appears. Also, given how emotional Kevin got with his eulogy I guess by getting permission, Leno was just making sure Kevin was ok to talk about Whitney. No objective person who listened to that eulogy would not suspect *something*
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I think Leno is the only one who actually asked permission from KC to talk about Whitney which I really like that he did and think it was very nice of him to do.
That was very nice and considerate of Leno. Just the fact that he felt the need to ask indicates that he, too, senses that there was something much deeper there than just a 20 year old co-star relationship.
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First about Leno:

Caught most of the interview, I think. It stood out the way Leno broached the subject of Whitney with him--he did so very gingerly--as if he knew he was dealing with a touchy subject and fragile emotions.

There was probably discussion in the pre-interview that he didn't want to discuss the relationship in detail, but of course the eulogy is likely one of the reasons he was even on the show--since it rekindled public interest in him. There was probably an agreement they'd touch briefly on the subject and then move on and he had his pat answer about writing letters ready to go and move quickly off the topic. As far as not keeping in touch, we know they did by the 1998 cipriani event. Then there was the ali fight night event. There is also evidence they were still part of each other's lives from that video clip right before she died where a pap mentioned kevin's name in connection with RayJ. Maybe it's just a matter of degree, but it's not as if they had completely severed ties post-TBG.

Second--this interview:

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Kevin Costner reacts to Whitney tribute

Kevin Costner "walked out of the room" during the tribute to Whitney Houston at the Billboard Music Awards.

Jordin Sparks performed the late singer's hit I Will Always Love You at the prestigious event on Sunday. Bobbi Kristina was seen breaking down in tears in the audience and later took to the stage to accept the Millennium Award on behalf of her mother with Patricia Houston.

Kevin worked with Whitney on the hit film The Bodyguard, and remained in close contact with the songstress up until her death. He found the homage hard to watch.

"I did see [Bobbi] speak," Kevin told ET Online. "That's a hard song for me to listen to anymore also so I kind of just walked out of the room, but...I was glad that she was out in public."...

Kevin Costner reacts to Whitney tribute - News, Entertainment - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Like us, he can't bring himself to listen to IWALY. But unlike us, I believe it's because--upon mutual agreement--it was their song. That while they 'couldn't have each other' IRL they'd always have that song. I believe they told each other whenever he heard it or whenever she sang it that they'd be thinking about the other. I believe this agreement was explicit between them. However, if not, I think we all know that is exactly how it panned out during their lives. Afterall, he called it the soundtrack to their relationship.

Also note that the article states 'he kept in close contact with (Whitney) until her death". Maybe that's just the writer's take or assumption, but it seems that's more likely than his current story that they weren't in contact since TBG--which we know is not accurate.

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In all fairness, Kevin doesn't seem genuinely happy in any of the pics from the screening. Who knows. Maybe he was just having a bad day? I hope everything is alright.

Check it out:

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It's true that Kevin hasn't been smiling in any of the pictures taken of him since Whitney died. So he must be still grieving for her. The man also doesn't like to smile for photos. Some people are like that. The only times I've seen Kevin beaming happily while taking a photo is when Whitney was beside him or when he is with one of his older daughters. Then you'll see Kevin's genuine happy face. CB obviously doesn't have the ability to cheer Kevin up, unlike his kids and Whitney. Whitney was the apple of Kevin's eye, clearly. CB is not.
Actually, while he is not smiling in all the photos, he is smiling in some of them----just none where he's posing with CB alone. In this last zimbio batch--while he's smiling in some of the pics with various people, there are only 3 photos with her where there is even remotely a smile--in one he's interacting with someone else and slightly smiling--she happens to be standing near him and in the other two he's posing with cast members and she happens to be standing there as well. In every other picture--where it's just the two of them posing as a couple-- he looks like a man on death row. And I don't think it has anything to do with Whitney.

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AchrisL, I'm just curious - where did you read that his kids did not approve of CB initially? Is this just your own hunch or some rumors you read? So far I've only read that his kids actually encouraged Kevin to marry CB, and she got their blessings.
Here--one of the shippers posted this here many threads ago:

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old Italian interview, 2005

Question: was it difficult to tell your children you were going to get married, again?
your wife gets on well with your children?

KC: now, it's ok, but at first, it was really hard especially with my two girls, they were jealous of another woman so important in my life, she was patient and suffered for this,too. ,But today, my childrern are grown up they are ready to have their own lives.

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I was really struck by how he did not correct that Parade magazine interviewer when he said this in his question "Yes. I also thought—and I think it’s in the film—that lots of people have the idea that the two of you were lovers. That they were thinking, “This is the only guy who ever really loved her, and why doesn’t he say something?”

And Kevin answered "Well, I began to feel that. ... You know, I didn’t feel the need to tell people I knew her. A couple of times over the years I called radio stations that were on her pretty hard, asking the deejay to look at it in a different light. And at a couple of critical moments in her life, I was asked by a close friend to write her a letter. And I did. I don’t know if she ever read them.

Lots of people have the idea that the two of you were lovers?? and the interviewer did not mean Rachel and Frank but is talking about Kevin and Whitney. Now where did the interviewer get that idea? from forums like ours or he made up his own mind after the eulogy and reviewing past footage of Kevney?
I was also struck by KC not refuting or correcting the 'lovers' impression in the Parade interview. I think the interviewer probably had his own suspicions about the relationship and like many of us had those suspicions confirmed by forums like ours.

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I agree with all of you so far that the pics from the weekend with KC and wifey are terrible. He is laughing on most pictures with the dudes but in almost none with his wife. Probably thinking "why is she even here??" (I don't mean to be mean guys!!) I am begining to think that one of the reasons he is so worried about not being there to raise his kids is because of the type of woman his wife is where he does not trust her to do a good job at raising her kids because she is so superficial as a person.
Good point--I hadn't considered that--I hope she is a good mother--while I think she's a manipulative, scheming, self-promoting fame-whore and publicity-hound looking to use him to give herself time in the limelight, and as harshly as I've judged her motives, I don't think she's a bad mother. Hopefully she's a great mother and that's one of the 'good things' about her someone mentioned as being a reason that he's still with her. I can't see any other reason, frankly.


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And then I saw this:

Oh. My. Those eyes that used to light up his brilliant smile look so very, very miserable. And almost sad, like 'help me' sad. And she is just cheesin'! SMH.

And to think that this photo might be among the best of the bunch from that night.
Still, I'm not going to talk about their marriage. I'm just going to put him on my prayer list and defer to Casual Observer. Are you out there, Casual? Or have you not picked yourself up off the floor yet?
Oh, GobSmacked--have no fear--I had already posted comments about that pic a few messages before you weighed-in on the matter (post #16) Here is my take:

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Well, true to form, she's posing for the paps again. And the look of utter, total discontent on Kevin's face says it ALL!!! Anyone still doubt my take on this relationship? I mean really?

I think he also feels like her father.

I have the same reaction--it does make you wince. It is truly painfully obvious as to how he feels. It has been for quite awhile. Starting with his wedding day. I already posted the contemporaneous remarks made by others at the time about how he appeared in his wedding photos--many others saw the same sad, almost grief-stricken look on his face way back then. Most people were like us--confused as to how he could look so pained on what should've been a joyous occasion. I just wonder who he had in his life who could've tried to intervene and cause him to step back and ask himself if this was what he really wanted--because from all appearances it wasn't--and isn't. I think he was surrounded by 'yes men' and others who were in it for their own interests pressuring him to settle down with the first available alternative. Poor choice all around. She wasn't and isn't his true love. This--what we see in every picture of them--isn't true love. It's more like tolerance as well as resignation on his part. Poor man. Get out, Kevin. Get out while you still have some years of life ahead of you. Your kids are young enough to bounce back like kids always do. Besides, you know you'll still be a big part of their lives wherever you are, wherever you go and whatever you do.
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I don't think it was just the writer they were close even when apart. There are bonds and then there are unbreakable bonds. God put them together in some ways. He was someone she trusted and knew would be her friend and he was through it all. I have heard many things about Kevin, but never that he betrayed a friend.

It goes beyond thathere. I watched BK, but I was a wrecked , today is better. Oh my God--------osrry I had to stop and cry.

I will read more later, but on a brighter note a dear friend of mine on Facebook started a page for Whitney. Those of you on there send me and email and I will give it to you as I don't know how to get the link.

I think you'll love it because it focuses on all the postive abd worthwhile things she did and she did many and that is what I will always remember her for.
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New interview with Julie Moran. She sure gets him stammering when she comes right out and asks if the kiss in The Bodyguard was just a movie or something more. Of course, he answers without answering, changing the answer to be just about the movie.

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It was sensitive of Leno to ask permission prior to the Whitney question

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I think Leno is the only one who actually asked permission from KC to talk about Whitney which I really like that he did and think it was very nice of him to do.
I applaud Leno for introducing the Whitney question with such sensitivity. I wish future interviewers will take not and be sensitive that way if they have to ask him about Whitney.

I think Kevin cannot answer "yes" to the "did you guys stay in touch over the years" question without bringing suspicion to his first and second marriages if he does not follow up with a clarification to the "yes" with something like "we saw each other at events we attended together..." which will make the answer long and he did not want to talk too long about that last night. Also he wants to be short so he does not break down in front of cameras again like in the Nancy Odell's interview or the Anderson Cooper one.

I think he is more comfortable in radio or paper interviews where he is not recorded and where people cannot easily see his grief.

If anyone had a doubt that the IWALY song is Kevney's song by their mutual agreement, I think his repeated answer that he cannot listen to IWALY tells us that its their song and listening to it is just a reminder that the lyrics of the song apply to Kevney and just compounds his sadness that she is gone too soon.

Whoelse, apart me, has the feeling though that he did not just wirte her the two letters but also met her face-to-face or at least talk to her on the phone when she needed help: we know Kevin is a hands-on person who would go to great lengths for Whitney and if he heard that she needed encouragement to go to rehab for instance that he would just write her a letter knowing there was a chance she might not read it?? That does not jive with his personality and the amount of love they had for each other. This is just a strong feeling I have. He cannot had been declaring his love for her throughout the years and not meet her to support her in her weakest time. He just cannot even say he met her without it being a Breaking News on CNN, though.

Poor Kevin, he better get ready for more Whitney questions because SPARKLE is coming out in August and those questions are not going to stop especially if her performance manages to garner her some acting nominations, which I am praying for her to get many as she deserves them all. We know Kevin would be the first to nominate her just because he thought she was AWESOME when at her peak and when not at her peak, Whitney can do no wrong in his eyes and mine too...
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They were in the same business music and movies, so it is not at all un common to speak to each other. They traveled in many of the same circles, knew the same people, etc.

I always said that when she turned a corner he would be there to support her and he did.

Whitney was amazing. Kevin is loyal.

***Just watched the video for the Access Hollywood interview- He did an excellent job answering questions.

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Another stonefaced picture of him and CB

Quite the lovebirds, aren't they?:

Photo from Getty Images

But his mood takes a turn for the better when he is alone:

Actor Kevin Costner Attends The Premiere Of Hatfields… News Photo | Getty Images | 144997540

Nice genuine smile in this one:

Actors Bill Paxton And Kevin Costner Arrive At The… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991571

Doesn't exactly look grim in this one either:

Actors Jena Malone Kevin Costner And Lindsay Pulsipher… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991577

But that quickly changes:

Kevin Costner And Christine Baumgartner Attend The Los… News Photo | Getty Images | 144987564

Actor Kevin Costner And Christine Costner Attend A Special… News Photo | Getty Images | 144987513

Actor Kevin Costner And Christine Costner Arrive At The… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991603

hmmmm....I think I see a common denominator in the sullen-looked pics....gee...I wonder what (who) that could be.....

It's either that or he just bought FB on offer Friday morning :-)

As far as discussing Whitney--he's tiptoeing around the topic of their off-screen relationship. Clearly there is something he doesn't want to reveal and I think we all know what that is. I am sure he feels he'd be betraying Whitney if he spilled-the-beans without her permission and now she'll never be able to give it. If she had lived longer, she might've said something herself, and that would've freed him to talk about it. I hope the interviewers respect her memory enough not to pry any further. On his end he needs to get a standard consistent answer ready. And then if they press him for more information, just say that he'd rather not comment any further and be firm about it.
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New interview with Julie Moran. She sure gets him stammering when she comes right out and asks if the kiss in The Bodyguard was just a movie or something more. Of course, he answers without answering, changing the answer to be just about the movie.

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Thanks for the video Bethanyr!

This made me LOL. These reporters are getting BOLD! They're digging. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But soon Kev may put a ban on all Whitney related questions.
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These reporters are getting BOLD! They're digging. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But soon Kev may put a ban on all Whitney related questions.
I don't want them to keep on digging for information on their relationship that's Kevney's business no one else's their relationship should stay private like it has been all this time, but I like how he's dropping the subtle hints without giving away too much that's the way it should stay forever.
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Quite the lovebirds, aren't they?:

Photo from Getty Images

But his mood takes a turn for the better when he is alone:

Actor Kevin Costner Attends The Premiere Of Hatfields… News Photo | Getty Images | 144997540

Nice genuine smile in this one:

Actors Bill Paxton And Kevin Costner Arrive At The… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991571

Doesn't exactly look grim in this one either:

Actors Jena Malone Kevin Costner And Lindsay Pulsipher… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991577

But that quickly changes:

Kevin Costner And Christine Baumgartner Attend The Los… News Photo | Getty Images | 144987564

Actor Kevin Costner And Christine Costner Attend A Special… News Photo | Getty Images | 144987513

Actor Kevin Costner And Christine Costner Arrive At The… News Photo | Getty Images | 144991603

hmmmm....I think I see a common denominator in the sullen-looked pics....gee...I wonder what (who) that could be.....

It's either that or he just bought FB on offer Friday morning :-)

As far as discussing Whitney--he's tiptoeing around the topic of their off-screen relationship. Clearly there is something he doesn't want to reveal and I think we all know what that is. I am sure he feels he'd be betraying Whitney if he spilled-the-beans without her permission and now she'll never be able to give it. If she had lived longer, she might've said something herself, and that would've freed him to talk about it. I hope the interviewers respect her memory enough not to pry any further. On his end he needs to get a standard consistent answer ready. And then if they press him for more information, just say that he'd rather not comment any further and be firm about it.
Quite the presentation you put together - good job! If we didn't know better, we could think maybe he looked angry because someone tried to flirt with the wife. Nahh, don't think that's it! She sure looks happy!
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