I missed this breakdown? Can you hook me up with the details Lexipedia???

Thanks in advance!!!

Lover10, you made a comment earlier about

Do you follow SOA on facebook? They post the links every week after the episodes air about the cast discussing the show, hosted by Tom Arnold.
Anyway this week they discuss what the club would be like if Jax was President.

Tara's Exit we talked about it months ago when they first came out with the list of the names of the appisode and then when Margaret mentioned Tara's breakdown we all said that the appisode called Tara's Exit was her breakdown.

Lover10, I watched it but I didn't really see anything.

That's just spec. tho, right? We don't exactly know what it's about.

re: Clubhouse interviews

Playing the ol' wait and see game is the only way we can truly find out :irked: :pout:

Well, yes, technically it is only based on speculation, but I mean -- given what we've already learnt, I think it's pretty safe to assume what it's going to contain. Or at least, we know enough to make an educated guess.


And just to comment on the theory you've brought up, Zoie, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I think that's pretty much a load of crap, what they're posting over at IMDB. We know that Gemma loves Tara, that she wanted her there to look after and raise Abel. Gemma herself has mentioned twice now how she's happy to, and prefers playing, the role of grandma. And there have also now been two instances where Gemma has fought like hell to get the message across that Tara absolutely cannot get hurt.

There's no way I believe that Gemma wants Tara gone so she can raise those boys. No known way.

During the Clubhouse live chat, and all the subsequent previews and post wraps, I don't think Charlie is filming. Mainly because while he does have the JT tattoo, he doesn't have the one for Thomas. So while he may have been in make-up before the chat, I don't think he was actually filming. Whereas Maggie and Katey looked to be in Tara/Gemma attire.

I don't know if Gemma wants Tara dead. But there has to be something intentional with Gemma referring to Tara as the mother of only one of her grandchildren. That she was surprised Tara would take the boys with her out of town goes to this as well.

We've seen Tara have Abel at work with her (and other than thematic purposes, I'd really like an explanation of why he was at work with her). And we've seen Gemma take Thomas to her office so Tara could nurse him (and it didn't seem like it was the first time that happened). Tara goes home for lunch. So she's clearly not away from those boys for more than a few hours at a time. And it looks like when she's home, she sends Gemma and Elyda away so she's with them by herself. So why should it be a surprise that if Tara was going out of town, she'd be taking the boys with her.

And I think a lot of it has to do with this image Gemma has in her head of her Biker Monarchy. Maybe Gemma knows that Tara doesn't want Thomas to be a part of the club. She may also know there isn't much she can say about that. But maybe in her mind, since she's Abel's grandmother and Tara's not his biological mother, she has more say in his future than Tara does.

She may not have been aware of feeling that way until after Wendy signed her rights away to Tara. Gemma likely had that initial happiness at having Tara all sewn up and locked down with Jax's sons. Perfect biker Old Lady with the princes, embracing the club, and waiting for Jax to come home.

Then Tara, in Gemma's mind, likely started talking crazy. Little Prince Abel Picasso going to art school or whatever else. The first thing Tara wanted to talk to Jax about when he got out was the boys and she was clearly heading towards "They are not going to be Sons". I don't doubt Gemma would have recognized this and that's when Tara became the mother of her grandchild.

It's an interesting situation that I really hope is intentional and is addressed. We've all discussed the lack of Tara and Abel one on one interaction. It would really be a fantastic scene between Tara and Gemma (I have no doubt Maggie and Katey would kill it) if Tara heard Gemma refer to her that way, the mother of her grandchild and for Tara to correct her. For them to get into it that way. I'd actually love to see a scene like that between them.

That's definitely the feeling I got. And since Abel technically isn't Tara's (unless Wendy still gave him up even regardless of that being a deleted scene?), if Tara was to ever leave, she'd only take Thomas with her because she wouldn't be able to take Abel (ha ha :P ). I highly doubt that would ever happen, but I'll run with it. Gemma knows Tara wants Jax out of the club - now more than ever - and Gemma also knows that she wants the club to carry on its legacy with Jax/Abel the same way it was for JT/Clay/Jax. Tara gets in the way of that, so assuming she would ever leave Jax, Gemma's true family (in her eyes) would still be intact to run the club...Jax and Abel. Hence the grandchild.

I feel like I sound like a crazy person :lol:

ICAM. I would love, love, love a scene between Tara and Gemma with Tara correcting her with "my sons" and see her lay the legal and moral claim she has on that boy. Fight for him and his future and see Gemma have to back down. In the deleted scene from Brick, Gemma is watching the boys while Tara is working, Tara comes home and Gemma hands Abel over to her saying "best part of being Grandma. Going home". In other words, she doesn't want the full time reponsibility of raising those kids and is more than happy to spoil them and care for them while Mommy is at work like any grandmother would do. Last season, when she was afraid she and Jax would both end up in prison and didn't know Abel had been kidnapped, she told her she needed her at home for Abel to care for him and couldn't imagine a better mother for the boy. However, it is very telling that she has at least twice (to Unser and Clay) said that Tara is the mother of her grandchild, singular. I do believe Gemma had a hand in Wendy signing over Abel to Tara (from that deleted scene in Out where Jax says Wendy didn't have to sign over Abel and Gemma's response was "yeah she did") I agree that it seems that she thinks because she has the direct biological link to Abel that Tara doesn't, she seems to think she has a say in his future. Fortunately, her son disagrees with that. Jax sees Tara as Abel's mother just as much as she is Thomas' and really ultimately, his is the only opinion on the subject that matters. He is that child's father and now legally and morally, Tara is his mother. She was in the room when he was born, helped with the operation that saved his life, was the first to hold him when he came out of the "toaster", cared for him and loved him as her own practically from the moment he came out of Wendy. She hovered over him when he was in the hospital before she and Jax were even together again, simply because he was part of Jax and was probably a little jealous underneath that he wasn't her's too. Even Wendy felt the need to point out to her "Jax is my husband and Abel is our baby". Tara has been the one to raise him, love him, sooth him, kiss his boo boos, teach him, play with him, snuggle with him at night, change his diapers, already encouraging him to be something other than a criminal. He is her child in every way that matters and no grandmother can take the place of that. I would adore a scene of Tara telling Gemma that neither of her sons will grow up to be Sons.

I didn't take her reaction so much as surprise that Tara would take both the boys with her as I did it being about them going away. Given what Gemma knew, that Tara was heading up for a work conference, of course her first assumption would be that the boys would be left with her and Jax to look after, but once she learns that they'll be going away indefinitely, for their safety, Gemma's "...you can't do that" becomes about that -- taking her grandsons away and not knowing how long for.

Maybe there really isn't anything to the singular use of the term, maybe we have really just over-analysed it and found problem with it because we know who Tara is to Abel and want it to be recognised by everyone else in the same way. Maybe all it is is Gemma (and Unser) being a stickler for details and using Tara's biological link to Thomas as a way to highlight what stands to be hurt if any damage is to be done (and not done as a way to lessen or denounce her motherly link, and claim, to Abel). I don't entirely like that explanation, because I don't like to think of the writers as being as lazy about something like that, and because out of anyone, I want to hear Gemma specially reference Tara as Abel's mother, and I still don't understand why it's been such a problem, but nothing else is making sense.

Gemma doesn't want Tara dead and Gemma wants Tara as the mother of those boys. So it's either something else or it's really nothing.

I don't think there was anything to that, Lucky. There are a heap of reasons he could have been at work with her -- maybe he had a check-up or maybe Tara was only spending a couple of hours there before she went to the club to get Jax. It could have been that Elyda had an emergency and had to drop him off unexpectedly. I never thought there was any other real significance attached to him being there.

Okay, yeah. I can see that. And if that's what it comes down to, then a part of me will hate Gemma. Because that is so unfair. It doesn't matter if Tara didn't give birth to him, she is his mother.

At this point, and especially after all this discussion, I need to see a scene like that. I just want that clarification made by Tara and that recognition given by Gemma. If there is a kind of intent behind it, Gemma needs to be put in her place once and for all.

I think Tara has as much right to take Abel with her as she does Thomas, whether he's biologically hers or not. We saw she had no hesitation in saying "I need to get them out of here" to Jax, and he certainly didn't react in a way that denied her right to Abel. So if Tara had decided to pack up and leave, I couldn't see her leaving Abel behind because she was unsure as to whether or not she really had the right to.

Thomas is every bit as much as Gemma's grandson as Abel is. Just because Tara is his mother doesn't make him any less a part of her "true family". But I get where you're going with that, and it ties in to what Lucky was saying about Tara not having that biological link to Abel and it maybe meaning Gemma feels like she has more of a say about Abel's life.


This really is incredibly infuriating. Now all I'm going to be hanging out for is a scene to clarify exactly why the hell the writers have made a point of referring to Tara as the mother of Gemma's grandchild. And for it to be corrected.

Hi guys :wave: Miri reminded me to stick my head up for a little bit and say hi :group_hug: Insanely busy right now. So I'm lurking more than postig if I even get the opportunity to lurk :pout:

Loving all the gifs :love: Next week's promo is givig me sleepless nights! Loved Jax drivig his family around in that SUV though :thud: Wasn't that someone here's wish? Kurt is reading these threads!!! :lol:

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Naz!!!! :back_hug:. Was just about to send out the search party.

I get that. My need for an explanation is more out of curiosity than anything else. Because there's a number of reasons he coudl have been there, I became more interested in what the specific one was. Visually it was a great shot to go from Jax's scars to Abel's scars than to Tara. And I know they needed Abel there to take the note out of her purse. It was just that afterwards, I was just like 'huh, wonder why he was at work with her'. Yeah, it's weird, but it's just always stuck with me.

What I love about what we're seeing from Tara this season, is that the thing she is most resolute about is those boys. Starting in Out, for Tara it has always been about the boys-Abel and Thomas. There has never been a distinction with her. When we learned about Tara's breakdown with Margaret and that she was thinking of leaving, it seemed pretty obvious that she was going to take both boys with her.

The reason it's odd to me, is because of who we know Gemma is, and how she was all about Tara being Abel's mother last season. Even using Abel to prevent Tara from getting an abortion.

When the season started, I just wanted to hear Jax and Tara talk about both boys as theirs. It didn't even matter what anyone else said. After Tara tried to claim Abel and Jax shouted that they were not her family, it was really important to see that he knew she was Abel's mother and that she wasn't afraid to claim Abel as her own. And we've seen that, it's been 'our boys' since the season started. The first words we ever heard Abel speak was about his 'Mommy'. Only thing better was Chibs' "There's your mommy."

Which is what, for me, makes Gemma's continued use of grandchild all the more glaring and, quite frankly, odd. And why I hope there is more to it, that it's intentional on the part of the writers and that something will eventually come from it. If not, it just doesn't make sense for the distinction to be made.

Fair enough. And I'm thinking you could do a whole "two birds with one stone" thing here and write a little something both to satisfy your curiosity and share something new with the fic world. ;)

Absolutely. I have loved that so much this season, and it has definitely been an important thing to see. That would be enough, too, knowing that both Jax and Tara think of the boys as their own, because you're right that it shouldn't matter what anyone else says, but of course, the writers have gone and made Gemma's use of "grandchild" really quite obvious, and when it comes down to it, I agree that it really can't have been unintentional. It has to be leading to something or it really doesn't make sense -- exactly.

I wonder then, given we are getting the "Tara's Exit" appisode this week, if we'll get some kind of scene between Tara and Gemma before they head off to Oregon? Maybe Gemma shows understanding towards Tara and her decision to keep the boys safe by taking them away for awhile, but doing it in such a way that she's also not-so-inadvertantly trying to assert some kind of authority over them (or just Abel), too. I don't know. I just hope we don't end up disappointed.

Ideally, I think we need a scene where Gemma sees how absolutely in love Abel is with his mommy and Gemma realising how heartbroken he'd be without her. Of course, we'd need a bit of a confrontation before then between Gemma and Tara, and then a nice little resolution with Gemma finally understanding that Abel is all Tara's.