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pervy minion 09-04-2015 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83154023)
It's weird, in my opinion, they can't really go back to just being close friends. I mean, they might just do the 'just good friends' thing but now, as always, there's going to be something more between them. A line has been crossed. And it's a big line. Especially for someone like Quinn who is so emotionally stoic and someone like Carrie who made the realisation that Quinn could be her long haul guy after thinking that she couldn't be with anyone. These are absolutely massive character changes for these two and they happened in the very last episode.

They can't undo what's done and it will always be at the back of their minds. But I would like to think they can be friends after that. The question is would they stay friends after pursuing a romantic relationship that ends in disaster?

SkateGirl88 09-04-2015 09:19 AM

you dont understand how liuder i screamed when the kissed. i was not expecting it at all. it was so amazing :thud:

i just thought 'fck, it was worth waiting a whole freaking angsty season for this!!'

tracey1302 09-04-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pervy minion (Post 83160834)
They can't undo what's done and it will always be at the back of their minds. But I would like to think they can be friends after that. The question is would they stay friends after pursuing a romantic relationship that ends in disaster?

My thing is that the relationship wasn't given a chance to grow. Or really that Quinn's demons got the better of him and he left before giving Carrie a chance to say 'Yes.' Which touchingly, it was.

Yes, it all happened 12 hours too late. But the fact that it was such a near-miss, the fact that it was a 'Yes' and the fact that the whole audience knows how much Quinn loves Carrie, is why I think that it will be explored in subsequent seasons.

I know that it won't be the focus, and I wouldn't want it to be, because that's not Homeland but when they are both on the same page... it could be that happily ever after that they've always dreamed of.

I'd quite like to see Carrie pulling Quinn back to humanity this season. Like he did for her last season. I'd like to see her calling him on his decisions and on the person he has turned into. I hope this is how they play it. It will take Carrie all of five seconds to realise the person that Quinn has become in the last two years. She will probably be pretty shocked. But I just think their old dynamic will come back into play... and their history and almost relationship is tied up in that.

I just think... the last time they saw each other, they were talking about giving it all up to be together. The writers can't not address that storyline. It's HUGE. It's two main characters and a long running 'will they, won't they.' I can't wait! Hurry up October 4th!!!:eek:

pervy minion 09-04-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SkateGirl88 (Post 83162123)
i just thought 'fck, it was worth waiting a whole freaking angsty season for this!!'

When Carrie walked Quinn to his car I thought: "Okay, this is happening, I can feel it!"

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83162572)
Yes, it all happened 12 hours too late. But the fact that it was such a near-miss, the fact that it was a 'Yes' and the fact that the whole audience knows how much Quinn loves Carrie, is why I think that it will be explored in subsequent seasons.

It's tragic for Carrie to know it was a yes and for Quinn to believe forever it was a no.

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Originally Posted by SkateGirl88 (Post 83162123)
I'd quite like to see Carrie pulling Quinn back to humanity this season. Like he did for her last season. I'd like to see her calling him on his decisions and on the person he has turned into. I hope this is how they play it. It will take Carrie all of five seconds to realise the person that Quinn has become in the last two years. She will probably be pretty shocked. But I just think their old dynamic will come back into play... and their history and almost relationship is tied up in that.

I love how much Quinn's storyline parallels Carrie's storyline last season. He's at a really low point and I think that Carrie will be trying to rebuild the perspective he lost, just as he tried with her.

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83162572)
I just think... the last time they saw each other, they were talking about giving it all up to be together. The writers can't not address that storyline. It's HUGE. It's two main characters and a long running 'will they, won't they.'

Any illusions they both had about their relationship being platonic has been broken. That kiss and those declarations have got to hang over their interactions from now on. It doesn't mean they will act on them, but they're not going to go away. I think we're gonna get a lot of reasons from writers for why they can't be together like: "timing sucks", "they are too damaged" or "we don't want to make the same mistakes we did with Brody" etc. Their romantic relationship could be put on the back burner this season. But they have ideas for 3 more seasons, so I'm hopeful :)

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83162572)
I can't wait! Hurry up October 4th!!!:eek:

Tell me about it!
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tracey1302 09-04-2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pervy minion (Post 83162831)
When Carrie walked Quinn to his car I thought: "Okay, this is happening, I can feel it!"



It's tragic for Carrie to know it was a yes and for Quinn to believe forever it was a no.



I love how much Quinn's storyline parallels Carrie's storyline last season. He's at a really low point and I think that Carrie will be trying to rebuild the perspective he lost, just as he tried with her.



Any illusions they both had about their relationship being platonic has been broken. That kiss and those declarations have got to hang over their interactions from now on. It doesn't mean they will act on them, but they're not going to go away. I think we're gonna get a lot of reasons from writers for why they can't be together like: "timing sucks", "they are too damaged" or "we don't want to make the same mistakes we did with Brody" etc. Their romantic relationship could be put on the back burner this season. But they have ideas for 3 more seasons, so I'm hopeful :)



Tell me about it!
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Actually can't wait for the top scene of those three. That is gonna be so intense. You can feel the heat already and I feel like all of the audience will be like 'Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!'

pervy minion 09-04-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83162953)
Actually can't wait for the top scene of those three. That is gonna be so intense. You can feel the heat already and I feel like all of the audience will be like 'Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!'

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tracey1302 09-09-2015 02:51 AM

Update on Carrie, relationships and Quinn...

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Very excited.

tracey1302 09-09-2015 03:08 AM

Been watching a couple more broken down gifs and trailers...

Wondering if you're right and

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pervy minion 09-09-2015 06:21 AM

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tracey1302 09-11-2015 05:49 AM

New character bios for Season Five.

These are just descriptions of what we already know so I'm not going to spoiler tag.

I thought the Quinn one was gorgeous:

Carrie:

Crack CIA agent Carrie Mathison plays by her own rules when it comes to protecting the US from terrorist attacks. Her uncanny intuition, dogged determination, and gift for persuasion have helped her convert allies, thwart plots, and rise within the ranks, often using controversial methods that are uniquely her own. But Carrie’s particular mix of traits also includes bipolar disorder, for which she must take daily medication in order to function. Her unusual sensitivities make it difficult for her to maintain the line between her personal and professional lives and the consequences often wreak havoc on her personally.

Saul:

Saul is Carrie’s long-time, no-nonsense mentor and he loves her like a daughter, even though it isn’t always easy. His unorthodox style and high-risk, old school maneuvers have both succeeded and failed spectacularly, often with Carrie’s help.

Quinn:

CIA operative Peter Quinn is a self-proclaimed “guy who kills bad guys” within the agency. But despite his job description, he has a conscience. He has been working both for and against Carrie at various times in his career, but neither position has dampened the feelings he has for her. :blush::blush: Beautiful

tracey1302 09-11-2015 05:55 AM

I've also watched the alternative kiss scene for the first time and I'm so glad they didn't go with that. In the final take, Quinn's love for her just absolutely oozes out of every line and you can see how much that moment means to him.

In the alternative scene, Carrie is too light hearted and flippant about it, and Quinn is a bit too needy in the way he says, 'I've seen you at your worst.'

I'm so glad they changed it, it's so perfect and an acknowledgement of long-harboured feelings. Carrie is more careful and more sensitive because she knows it's a big deal. Quinn isn't needy, he just lets her know that he knows everything about her and wants to be with her anyway. It's not needy. It's just adorable.

Can't cope with these two. Is it 4th October yet?????????

pervy minion 09-11-2015 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tracey1302 (Post 83242046)
He has been working both for and against Carrie at various times in his career, but neither position has dampened the feelings he has for her. :blush::blush: Beautiful

She's his best friend and his worst enemy.

The casual delivery of lines and the pacing of the dialogue in alt kiss scene seemed off. Carrie wasn't distressed enough about it after she broke it up and Quinn seemed a little impulsive. Their conversation was too rushed. You can hardly see their faces, there are no hands, they barely touch each other and the kiss looks like something that was driven more by desperation and lust than real love. It lacks the intimacy and tenderness of the real kiss.
In the final version Quinn didn't sound spontaneous, he clearly has thought about it. Carrie is surprised, she has doubts, we can feel her emotional dilemma. Their kiss was much more erotic, intimate and heartbreaking. It was everything you want from a kiss for two characters whose sexual tension has been builiding for three seasons.

I'm also happy they changed it, it's like they realized these two deserve something more meaningful.

tracey1302 09-11-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pervy minion (Post 83242472)
She's his best friend and his worst enemy.

The casual delivery of lines and the pacing of the dialogue in alt kiss scene seemed off. Carrie wasn't distressed enough about it after she broke it up and Quinn seemed a little impulsive. Their conversation was too rushed. You can hardly see their faces, there are no hands, they barely touch each other and the kiss looks like something that was driven more by desperation and lust than real love. It lacks the intimacy and tenderness of the real kiss.
In the final version Quinn didn't sound spontaneous, he clearly has thought about it. Carrie is surprised, she has doubts, we can feel her emotional dilemma. Their kiss was much more erotic, intimate and heartbreaking. It was everything you want from a kiss for two characters whose sexual tension has been builiding for three seasons.

I'm also happy they changed it, it's like they realized these two deserve something more meaningful.

I agree. As if the alternative kiss was just too throwaway. When all's said and done, you're right, this has been going on for a lot longer than maybe both of them realise, and they are two main characters who have crossed the line into romance.

I LOVE the description on Quinn's bio. It sounds like Carrie is still very much going to be his achilles heel this season. Would we expect anything less? :)

pervy minion 09-11-2015 09:39 AM

They will always be a big part of each other lives, romantically or not.

That bit about Carrie:

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Her unusual sensitivities make it difficult for her to maintain the line between her personal and professional lives and the consequences often wreak havoc on her personally.
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Alt kiss wasn't that bad, at least we got to see Quinn's face in that moment, and it was hot!

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tracey1302 09-12-2015 03:10 AM

EW article seems a bit disheartening.... :confused:

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But then again, like we've said all along, they can't possibly just ignore it or not touch it at all. It's two main characters and it's been building for three seasons. And Showtime have referenced it in the biographies AND in the clip on Quinn's character for Season Five. And I suppose Claire is referencing romance... in some guise. In a very Homeland kind of way as well. It's not like we expect a shotgun wedding and a life of bliss. :rolleyes:


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