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I'm old.. I can't remember.. but are Teenagers really like that?
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It depends.
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I'm sure some of it has to do with him being so young, especially in the beginning, and not yet solidified in who he is. He also still had yet to gain ANY relationship experience, so I guess it does make sense that he'd have to figure everything out as he went along, like everyone else. But the way it applies to him and Brian sometimes just seems so frustratingly contradictory, to the point that I completely understand Brian's eyerolling over it in season 5 (though it wasn't the most compassionate response, for sure).
I admire Justin TONS for not letting his wanting to get married cloud his love for Brian AS Brian in the end. He wouldn't allow him to sacrifice who he was at his core to try to save their relationship. He'd rather him have remained true to himself, and had a real shot at happiness, even if it meant they parted ways. That's true love. __________________
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and I think those are things that don't fit together for me.. I understand Justins "teenaged" behaviour in the early seasons, but in season 5 he was older, and even more mature with working and being in hollywood and so on.. you normally don't regress back to being a teenager anymore then.. in my eyes
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I don't think Justin knew what he wanted half the time.
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Agreed. And that's SO evident in the end of season 2, like we were discussing earlier. He was so easily swayed to one side or the other, and then back again.
So...as much as Brian was unfair in accusing Mikey directly of "infecting" Justin, I DO agree that his lifestyle influenced Justin's desires after a certain point. Not that it's his fault, or that Brian should blame him. But still, he had somewhat of a point, there. __________________
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I'm sure they could and definitely should stay together at their own terms. I never uderstand what all the drama was created, only to show it meant nothing? Because if they really did go on with separate ways then... I would wish for them to never met. I can't stand that Brian was alone and with all this stupid narration at the end. It's haunting me every day and I tried to see some sense or logical or fuc.king anything but all I found is tragic ending which doesn't have any fuc.king sense and was so out of characters. And I never was a fan of marriage endings or family as conventional family. But I'm sure they could and should be together and I can't see a reason why any of them would sacrifice himself. And that's why I can't survive the final, it was all forced. Brian and Justin would be fine and happy, but of course for some reason they needed drama and tragic. |
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I believe Justin changed, pretty radically, when he got bashed. He didn't even go to therapy for it (at least not psychiatric care), which he probably DESPERATELY needed. He was probably feeling more and more vulnerable towards the end of season 2 due to his unresolved issues, and then Ethan swooped in with his promises of romance and he was easily swept up in that BS.
Hmm. I also believe that Brian was shaken by the bombing, to the point of it making him think about Justin potentially dying, and how much he couldn't stand to lose him. I think it made him behave in a truly out of character fashion, and thus he proposed. Justin even calls him out on it, and I believe his analysis was spot on. I have to disagree about Brian being unhappy at the end. I think of all the characters, Brian had the best potential to remain "happily" single, even after having fallen for someone. He does go down that road of "I can't live without you" for a minute, but in the end he realizes that's not ultimately what he wants. If marriage meant playing house in the country, he'd have slowly died inside, no matter how much he loved Justin. I think it was special that they met and fell for each other and changed each other irreversibly. Brian's life was much better off for having met Justin, even if he ended up not being with him. And Justin learned SO much from Brian, and Brian helped him to be an out-and-proud homosexual. HOWEVER, if you mean you wish that they could've just gone on the same way they'd always been-I'd have to agree with you, that would've been ideal. If none of the "I want kids/marriage/etc." stuff EVER popped up, I think they would've been fine. BUT I also think Brian's character was partly there to portray the portion of the population (gay OR straight) who doesn't conform to societal standards, and would be unhappy if forced to abide by tradition, even WITH the love of their life. I love that Brian is the only single one at the end. I think that's so true to his character, and I see him as empowered at the end, dancing up there in his restored Babylon by himself. He's the lion once again. __________________
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With Brian's proposal - for sure he was scared that Justin could die, but from the other hand, people who resist against something can change their minds and skip all the steps who are "normal" for regular people. And Brian was a person who could do that, but for me I would prefer they not get married and even if they did then with their own, old "rules" (basically no rules at all). And Brian would never do something he didn't want to. And I think it was no exeption, even when circumstances were rough. I'm saying that because I know this type of the people, and if they changing their minds usually their doing it in not conventional way. It's something that is common for people out of standards. We saw Brian unhappy and we know how he loved Justin and how hard for him it was each time when he was alone so this time wouldn't be any easier. It's something I analyse so many times and I can't see him happy, especially after all this 5 fuc.king years. And for Justin, for me him leaving is the biggest joke ever. He never dream about fame or fuc.king money, about fuc.king NY. And there is no way he could leave Brian after everything he was willing to do for him. He definitely would stay, knowing that after all this years he don't want Brian to change that much for him. So for me they would stay together, and figure it all out. Justin finally understand how much Brian loved him and would stop acting like little ignorant. I really hate what they did to him in the last season. And agree Justin could need help after bashing, but still it's not explain his leaving with Ethan. It was out of his character. It was more that obvious that Brian loved him and I believe he would want him to admit it, say it, but there was no space for such a drama. Even when they created the situations in the last episodes of the second season... It just wasn't the real Justin. His character was changed in a bad way and I hate it. I never understand why cheating, leaving, dating someone else is such a good idea to keep the characters apart and messy stuff. On the way they forgot how they created him and pushed him into someone who he never was. It's sad and unfair that they made him be a liar, cheater. He was always honest kid and chasing what he wanted. He wasn't one of this who can fall in love again and again. It was low and cheap, like real Justin disappear and someone else took control over him, but hey, it's not a fantasy or science fiction tv show... I really hate myself for watching the final. It haunt me every day and I tried to see the final in better light. But much more I'm thinking about it, much more sure I am that it doesn't have any sense and was forced. Can't understand wht they didn't let them stay together, happy with what they have. Instead they showed how meanless it all was. That's how I feel about it and it's hard for me to even talked about it here. |
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one - I also have two hearts beating in my chest about the reunion.. scared they f it up, but also sad we don't see the whole cast back together in that brilliant show Fina - I agree completly here.. it doesn't have to be marriage (why do people always have to be married to be in a commioted relationship, and who defines this relationship has to be monogamous, if both parties agree to something else ) so I could imagine Brian and Justin together in a not so common way, like Mel/Linds or Michale/Ben, cause no.. the y aren't people like those couples.. they are different and special I could absolutly imagine them to partly live on both places, NY and Pitttsburgh. Brian having a branch of Kinnetik in NY and Justin having a second studio at home.. having both what they love.. Justin has his dream home in Britin and Brian a fancy, really noble loft in NY.. but both happy wherever they are when they are together.. they don't need kids, or pets or happily ever afters.. they just enjoy each others presents and success, cause that is what they are, two successfull businessmen.. one with his art and the other with his ad-campain..maybe even benefit from each other with artworks from Justin in the ad world, and Brian advertising Justins shows.. a girl can dream and I'm sure there will be enough drama to happen between those two without being not involved with each other __________________
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I agree with how you see them Daggi but I didn't see them parting like it was all over. I know what Cowlip have said since then about it wasn't meant to be forever etc but I wonder if they said that just because there was so much backlash after the ending?
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And true, people CAN grow together...but Justin had all this potential in the art world. He didn't HAVE to go to NY, but he chose to. Clearly he was at that point in his life where he needed to get out and explore his options. He might've hated himself later on in life if he never took that chance, and ended up resenting Brian for it, too. It happens. But it totally wouldn't have been fair to expect Brian to drop Kinnetik, which was doing super well, to follow him to NY. I think really we need to remember how YOUNG Justin still is in the end of the series. He's gotta get out there and explore a bit. I believe entirely that he finds his way back to Brian. And who knows - he could've totally failed out of NY. I see Brian as happy in that final dancing scene. I love the callback to the beginning of the series. IDK, it's a bittersweet, but ultimately happy and empowered ending for him, IMO. He's forever changed and grown and all that, and now he's got his own company, and he OWNS Babylon. We could boil it down to both of these guys started experiencing lots of career success at the same time, and they owed it to themselves and each other to explore that. And again I don't believe Justin really had to go to NY for that...but apparently it was his best shot at it, so why not take a chance? Brian's not gonna stop loving him. __________________
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I'm behind in this discussion. Gotta read it before I give my two cents.
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