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I find the media coverage of this case funny in a way. Kobe acts all innocent.. like "oh I got caught cheating on my wife on my first time cheating on her" yeah right...
does anyone else kinda think his wife's a whore for standing by her man (after receiving a 4 million dollar ring) Without any real hard facts to go on, i'll say innocent until proven guilty. __________________
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Standing by your husband is not something I would classify as being a "whore." I think most people associate that term with women constantly sleeping around, especially with married men. I think Vanessa is going through the common stage of shock and denial. Infidelity and charges of rape against your husband is difficult for any woman to deal with, especially someone as young as her. Apparently, she thinks there is something to fight for in their marriage, and so be it. I know that I would be very tempted to kick Kobe to the curb if I was in her shoes. But I'm not.
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If this is true, it's not looking good for Kobe.
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I thought this was a really good article. I got this from CNN.com
Security check Former bodyguard: Athletes need protection from selves Back when Kelly Davis was traveling around the world with the Dennis Rodman Circus, the Chicago police officer and bodyguard extraordinaire became as skilled as the Bulls' rebounding savant in the art of boxing out. Wherever the Worm turned, be it packed club, casino, gay bar or bedroom, Davis was sure to follow, serving as a human buffer against all kinds of potential trouble. Sometimes, that meant getting in the face of the heavily tattooed man who employed him, but Davis had no problem holding his ground. As Davis said Wednesday, "You're not employed to kiss your client's ass. If your client is about to do something that could land him in jail or get him sued, and you don't stop it, why are you there? If you're afraid to stand up to him, you're nothing but a lackey." I tracked down Davis, with whom I shared many an all-nighter during the height of Rodmania -- and who has since started a business, Overtime Inc., designed to provide security and guidance for professional athletes -- for fairly obvious reasons: In the wake of the sexual-assault charges filed in Colorado against Kobe Bryant, the subject of star athletes, poor judgment and the ruinous results that can ensue has never been more topical. And while Davis, like the rest of us, can't pretend to know what actually went down in the Laker star's hotel room on that night in late June, the situational specifics that have been reported by various outlets have provoked some strong opinions. "My understanding is that Kobe has six bodyguards," Davis said (published reports indicate Bryant was accompanied by three unidentified men when he checked into a Colorado hotel on June 30), "and when I first heard about this incident, I thought, Where were they? Were they there when [the alleged encounter] took place, and if they were there, why didn't they stop this 19-year-old from coming into the room? And if they weren't there, where the hell were they?" Back in the Rodman days, whenever Davis was on duty, no one ever had to ask ask where he was. Even when the prodigious power forward was enjoying his most tender moments, Davis, if not directly present, was close enough to react to any potential "disturbance" -- to use a word that has surfaced in reports of the alleged incident in Bryant's hotel room. Obviously, this spoke to the trust Rodman placed in Davis (and fellow Chicago cop and bodyguard George Triantafillo) during the three years Rodman spent with the Bulls. However, it also went down this way because Davis insisted it be so. "We had rules," Davis explained. "The first one was that women we didn't know never entered his hotel room. If Kobe truly answered the door to his room that night, as has been reported, that was the first problem. We never let Dennis answer the door. "If some concierge came to the room, would we have let her in? Never. Anyone who came to the room would have been interrogated -- What's your purpose? Why are you trying to get to my client? --before we considered letting her in." Of course, it's possible that the woman's answer would be, "Because he invited me." Indeed, there are times when an athlete asks a woman he has recently met to his room and insists on being intimate with her. Even then, said Davis, there are logical measures that can be taken to protect a client from trouble -- of his own doing or otherwise. When Rodman was at a hotel, Davis said he made it a point to stay in an adjoining room -- and though the door between the rooms might have been closed at times, it was never locked. "That way," Davis said, "we had easy access to each other's room if something sounded out of the ordinary." When Rodman and a woman would leave a club together, it was common for Davis or Triantafillo to drive the player's car back to his residence while Rodman and the woman began their encounter in the backseat. Once at the house, the happy lovers would continue their business, but a bodyguard would be in the next room over -- and, sometimes, would briefly monitor the action in a very discreet fashion. Late one night at Rodman's house near the Bulls' practice facility in Northbrook, Ill., the Worm and a woman he'd met earlier that evening were doing their thing in his bedroom, with Davis in the next room. "I heard the woman say, 'No, no,' and I immediately jumped up and barged into the room," Davis said. "I said, 'Hey, here are your clothes; you have to go. Now.' Of course Dennis was furious. I said, 'I don't want to hear it.' The woman said, 'How am I going to get back?' I told her to get her clothes on, and I drove her home. "Dennis was on fire, totally pissed off. But you know what? The next day, he thanked me -- not because he had done anything wrong at that point, but because it prevented a potential misunderstanding or situation." Most of the time, at least when I was in their company, Davis was far less obtrusive. Amid the frothing-at-the-mouth throngs that descended upon Rodman in public places, Davis was the nearly invisible companion who stayed cooler than a wintry Chicago gust of wind. With confusion all around him, Davis seemed to have the pulse rate of a guy watching C-SPAN after popping a Xanax. At the time Davis, now a patrol officer, was working deep cover in such grisly locales as the notorious Cabrini-Green housing project on Chicago's North Side. The 15-year force veteran has been fired at on numerous occasions, once was shot in the hand by a drug dealer while the two wrestled for his gun, and has been in crack houses, posing as a drug buyer, in which one slip of the tongue or errant facial expression could have meant instant death. The Chicago police brass were extremely accommodating toward Davis and Triantafillo, allowing them to alter their schedules to accompany Rodman for long stretches. Davis went with him to Europe and Tokyo, as well as numerous domestic locales, serving as a designated driver, registered-firearm carrier and conflict curber. A couple of years ago Davis and partner Ed Johnson started Overtime Inc., and in the wake of the charge against Bryant, they hope athletes and their employers will feel compelled to sample their services. They say their goal is to have at least one moonlighting police officer on staff in every city with a pro franchise, reasoning that men entrusted with enforcing the law are much more valuable to a prominent athlete than, say, one of his cousins. "That would eliminate a player hiring his boys as bodyguards," Johnson explained. "Your boy's not normally going to tell you, 'No'; he's just happy to be on your payroll. I talked to one NBA coach who told me, 'Incidents like that don't apply to our team, because we've got model citizens.' Unfortunately, the Kobe situation has changed that whole line of thinking. Anytime a player is prominent, no matter how clean his behavior has been, you need to think in terms of preventing trouble." Johnson noted that Rodman, the ultimate NBA bad boy, didn't get into any serious off-court trouble during the years he employed Davis. "When Kelly told me the stories," Johnson said, "my first take was that he provided some leadership for this guy. He taught him how to prevent putting himself in bad situations, and even though Dennis didn't like it, it clearly had an impact." Now, as he tries to build a business, Davis reads about athletes being arrested, from Bryant to Trail Blazers guard Damon (Foiled Again) Stoudamire, and winces. He believes "90 to 95 percent" of off-the-court transgressions involving pro athletes, from DUIs to bar fights to far more serious altercations, can be avoided with improved personal security. Said Davis, "Athletes will spend $4 million on a house, $300,000 on a car, $150,000 on a necklace or a platinum Rolex -- and they'll insure all of those things. But they won't insure themselves: by getting the right kind of security, by trusting someone who has the guts to stand up to them and make a judgment call about what's best for their well-being. And I can't understand why." At the moment, it's a very valid question -- and you have to wonder whether a certain fallen star is wondering the same thing. __________________
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Annette, thanks for posting that article, it was indeed very interesting.
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As the days pass, more and more bad news comes out of both camps. Apparently, one of the investigators helping the DA in this case was involved in a racial profiling case that went against the Colorado police force he worked for back in the mid-90’s. Can you say Mark Fuhrman? I have no doubt that the defense will make a point of using this info. against the prosecution. The article Pat just posted insinuates that Kobe probably told Vanessa about his infidelity the night before he turned himself in, leading to some kind of problem. The fact that Kobe and his wife have a history of calling 911 in the past doesn’t look very good, considering that you’re only supposed to call in times of emergency. It makes you wonder what the hell is going on.
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Kathie, I hadn't thought about that but you got a good point there about maybe Kobe telling his wife before he turned himself in. Therefore something must have happend to have him call 911 before...and the plot thickens.... [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]
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do you think she hypervenilated and fainted or something? I dont know why else that would have anythin to do with Kobe telling his wife what happened. Cause the police said that there was no "crime" that was committed. If that is the case, then at least he told her before instead of hearing it from the media days later.
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Just another interesting article I came across that kinda shows how their parents reacted to them getting married, as well as the financial trouble vanessa's parents were in.
Bryants faced hurdles long before sexual assault case Aug. 4, 2003 SportsLine.com wire reports LOS ANGELES -- They met at a music video shoot. She was an 18-year-old high school student working as a background model. He was 21, living in wealthy Pacific Palisades with a huge NBA contract and millions of dollars in endorsement deals. Advertisement Six months later, Kobe Bryant and Vanessa Laine were engaged. A year later, in April 2001, they walked over red rose petals to begin their life together. Even before the accusations of sexual assault against the Los Angeles Lakers superstar, their marriage had already endured many hurdles. About a dozen people attended their private wedding ceremony, but the basketball player's parents -- Joe and Pam Bryant -- weren't among them. Kobe's parents had already moved back East after living with their only son during his first couple years in the NBA. A rift developed because his parents objected to his marriage to Vanessa. "I had taken matters into my own hands, marrying my wife so young, they didn't know her," Kobe told ABC Sports in June. After the marriage, his father rarely attended Lakers games and the two reportedly didn't speak to each other for nearly two years. "Twenty years from now, when his own child grows up, he'll understand what I'm doing," Joe Bryant told the Los Angeles Times in an interview in April. Vanessa's mother, Sofia Laine, also had misgivings. "Although I was happy for Vanessa, particularly since Kobe is a very kind and respectful young man, their relationship caused a great deal of stress for me," she said in court documents filed in her divorce case. Lakers coach Phil Jackson also questioned the wisdom of such a young person getting married. Since their marriage, Kobe and Vanessa Bryant led their lives out of the limelight -- as much as possible for a celebrity couple. Their marriage license is a special type covered by confidentiality laws. And it is not known, for example, whether the couple has a prenuptial agreement. Such agreements are private contracts and typically don't become public unless there is a divorce filing. Kobe Bryant usually keeps to himself when on road trips with the team; and Vanessa rarely attends Lakers games or Hollywood events. But when her husband was charged with sexual assault, she appeared at a news conference, holding his hand and stroking it tenderly as the NBA star admitted he was guilty of adultery -- but nothing else. Earlier, she had issued her own statement to the media, vowing to stand by her husband. "I know that my husband has made a mistake -- the mistake of adultery," she said. "He and I will have to deal with that within our marriage, and we will do so. He is not a criminal." The Bryants' representatives will not answer questions, instead referring calls to Kobe's criminal defense attorney, Pamela Mackey. Her office said the couple isn't accepting interview requests. Attorneys in the case are now also under a gag order. Before they married, court documents show Vanessa's family life was already in turmoil. Her mother and stepfather filed for bankruptcy in 2000, and Vanessa and Kobe helped them out with cash and gifts worth more than $500,000, according to documents filed in the Laines' pending divorce case. Kobe also paid off a $230,000 mortgage on his in-laws' Garden Grove house, according to the court filings, as well as phone, dental and credit card bills and two car loans. Then in July 2002, Sofia Laine filed for divorce, claiming in court documents that husband Stephen Laine was "involved in another relationship." They had been married for 12 years. About a month before the divorce filing, Sofia Laine, who wasn't working because of debilitating back pain, told the court she was no longer receiving cash gifts from Vanessa and Kobe. The financial support is at issue because Stephen Laine's filings show he believes he should pay less than standard alimony. "I never represented to my mother that I would `take care of her' financially if she stopped working," Vanessa Bryant told the court last September. Stephen Laine's attorney, Glen Rabenn, said his client would not comment on his stepdaughter, who took his last name in 2000 even though he never adopted her. "He does not want to offend Vanessa. He loves Vanessa as his own daughter," Rabenn said. And he "thinks the world of Kobe." One of Sofia Laine's attorneys, Doreen Olson, didn't return messages. Kobe and Vanessa Bryant made a rare public appearance Saturday night, attending the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was honored as favorite male athlete. Bryant made a peace sign with his fingers and a thumbs-up gesture, and waved to fans. He also kissed his wife's hand. Three days after he was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old woman in Colorado, Bryant surprised his wife with a $4 million, eight-carat purple diamond ring while at a Santa Monica jewelry store, according to People magazine. The ring had been commissioned two weeks earlier. "They looked very happy together," jeweler Raffi Kouyoumjin told the magazine. [ 08-04-2003: Message edited twoods ] __________________
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Thanks for posting that article. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I knew that Kobe’s parent disapproved of his marriage to Vanessa, but it’s interesting to read the background info. of her mother’s financial problems. A lot of different stuff can be taken from that. Anytime $ is involved, it makes you wonder. And, like Will has said many times, Kobe probably shouldn't have married so young. __________________
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SuperDeluxe - You must've missed the part of the article that said the following...
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I still don't see anyway Kobe is convicted, even if he is guilty.
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I still dont understand why she didnt go straight to the police instead of going home...usually people dont go to the police until the next day because they are in denial. but the fact that she was already telling people that Kobe raped her directly after that, didnt it occur to her to go to the police or hospital right after that to show them the evidence?
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