ina_am

Always & Forever

Tftnt!

Musidora

TFTNT, Ina

We need to update the OT, those are old news

Always & Forever

^I was just thinking the same thing, Ana!

I'm terrible at keeping Ashley's News OP updated. So, I totally understand.

ina_am

We must totally do that

Tisha89

TFTNT. Sorry girls, I know I have not posted interviews and event pics in awhile. I got caught up in an endless discussion that has turned into a déjà vu.

Here's a photo of Jessica today in Milan, Italy (12/19/16):

kevinpouzou - Hanging out with our new best friend -
@jessicachastain
#Beautiful #natural #gorgeous #friendly #todiefor
And my #besty @tgurfein


@The Shadow Strikes

I already addressed why I wrote the misandrist part after you, for some reason, brought misandry into this. So, I don't see the point in recycling mentioning that again.

Of course I know what feminism is, and I think we're both aware that the equality of the sexes part refers to the fact that women have been seen as the lesser sex for centuries. That it is about bringing women's rights on par with those of men. So why are we wasting time going round in circles here?

I stated that feminism has been vilified, that's all I wrote. I didn't point fingers and blame men for that. But there's a group that, according to you, is to blame for that: "feminists always complain about the conotation around the word "Feminism" and blame men. . We are not to blame. You want to know who is to blame, look no further than other feminists, the angry, irrational, man hating kind of feminist".


It's all in our previous comments, I don't need to make things up.

My "Ten movies, that's a considerable number, and they are more than enough to put two and two together." comment was in relation to this post of yours:

"Seeing Jessica display her feminism and political views in different articles, lately, I am a little concerned about how this will affect the character."

Did any of those ten characters display Jessica Chastain's feminism and political views?

I would also like to know where I can find the "different articles" you were talking about. What does "general news" mean? I want to know.

When I wrote "white" before men or male, my point was that they have been more comfortable when it comes to their rights, because, well, racism. That's it.

The Shadow Strikes

Ok, at the risk of being accused of mansplaining, I will try and break it down further.


1) I brought up the misandrist thing becaue you wrote this,

"You're blaming women, and yet you, a man, have been repeatedly downplaying what feminism is and stands for. But sure, let's put all the blame on us women. Nice."

You can sit behind a screen and accuse me of downplaying what feminism is, but it is much harder for you to prove that. But I will save you the trouble of looking, and I will just say that there is a big difference between downplaying it, and knowing what it actually means (note that I am not saying that you don't know what it mean, just that I do).
I brought that up, because you accused me of calling her a misandrist, which I didn't, asked you to show where I did, to which you said:
"You are absolutely right, my bad. You never called her that,[snip]"

Right, moving on...

Exactly, there are gender imbalances, most against women, so why type that?

So.... which part are you now referring to? I don't understand, am I to take from this that you believe men are the reason for the bad conotation around feminism?


If only you could include what exactly this is in response to. Should I have included that in the above quote, the one below, or should it remain in one on it's own?

Remeber when I said:

"Yes, and as I already said (post 294), I am hearing more and more of her political views. What you don't quite understand, is that while I have seen a selection of her work (I see that you bring that up below, so i'll come to that in a minute), I am not what you might call a "fan" of hers, by that, I mean that I don't google her name every hour, or go digging through her rubbish bins. I hear only what I come across in the news, and what I am hearing more and more is her political views."

That should answer your question.

You want to know? Oh, well, you MUST be obeyed, right? What the hell, I have a few minutes, I might as well. Here's an example: do you know what hotmail is? If not, go and look it up ... ... ... ... ... ... I am going to assume that by this point, you now know what hotmail is. When you log out of hotmail, you are taken to a page which, at the top, has news articles. News articles.

From post 296 (my post):

"I don't believe in that. Racism is racism, anyone can be racist towards anyone else, regardless of skin colour."


Hope you've enjoyed this, good night.

Musidora

I've updated the OP, didn't add much to it since news are always changing so there's no point filling it up with stuff that will be old by the time we reach our 10th page. Also, you might notice I chose not to include a full body picture of Jess @ the Miss Sloane premiere because well, that dress was hideous. So I focused on her permanently flawless face.

Tisha89

^ Well, it was a Givenchy.

I had to google that term.


I think I know where the misunderstanding lies here. I said feminism is about the equality of the sexes, but you don't think so because it doesn't include men's rights. Well, the equality of the sexes can only be achieved by working towards the recognition of women's rights, thus closing the gap that exists between men and women in society.

And seriously, why did you trow misandry into the discussion in the first place? We were talking about her social and political views, so I wrongly assumed you were implying she was a misandrist.

Jessica Chastain is not a misandrist. I am not a misandrist. So, I think this is not the right place for your attacks on man-hating women.


No. I already answered that in a previous reply and I was pretty clear.


Doesn't matter, it holds true wherever you put it.


That's perfectly understandable. I don't even do that with 99% of my favorite entertainers or athletes, and that's why I'm not aware of their next projects or what they have to say about social issues and politics.


It was not an order. Of course I know what that is, my first e-mail was hotmail. Yahoo works like that too. I guess you might be referring to msn? I used to go there all the time like a decade ago, "wonderwall" or something like that was where all the entertainment news were. I also know that they have those news headlines and articles organized in categories (entertainment, sports,...), and that you have to actually click on them to read the articles.

Just as I thought. After the announcement of the Painkiller Jane movie (two days after the US presidential election) you started clicking on articles about Jessica Chastain that were under the entertainment category, they always are. Then, you read the things she said during press for Miss Sloane, which happens to be about a female lobbyist. So, she talked about the presidential election and women in politics in all those interviews.

What got you interested in what Chastain had to say after all this time? She became attached to the movie adaptation of a comic book/graphic novel you have obviously read and enjoyed.

Her political and social views have been there since before the start of the year 2016. You've seen her acting work in 10 different movies, and she doesn't play herself in them. But you're still concerned about her display of feminism and political views in articles.

"Seeing Jessica display her feminism and political views in different articles, lately, I am a little concerned about how this will affect the character."


And I agreed with you on that.

This is going to be my last reply to you, since I'm not interested in discussions that seem to go nowhere after a certain amount of posts.

Take care, The Shadow Strikes.

Tisha89

An old but good interview:

Cover Story | Jessica Chastain on fear, freckles and fitting in | Magazine | NET-A-PORTER.COM

I always thought she was half joking when a few years ago she talked about being retired by 2018.

Musidora

I understand if she wants to take a break but my God, has she spoiled us with so many movies and pictures and interviews It would break my heart if she retired from acting, she's a phenomenal performer and it's such a rewarding experience for me to watch her. That's a great interview, I love how vocal she is about feminism and how she politely brings the interviewer's attention to the sexist question. Queen.

Tisha89

We've been blessed with her amazing gift all these years. But she's not really retiring from acting, just slowing down, which means she'll probably do 2 movies a year instead of 4, jk.

Ugh, I know. And to think some people get offended when she speaks against sexism.

The Shadow Strikes

Yes, working towards women's rights. But there are still situations where mens rights aren't equal to the of women, hence the need for mens rights need. Equality of the sexes means improving the lives of both genders, whatever the ratio is in each problem.

The reason I brought up misandry is because in post 288 (of the old News thread), you posted this:

Jessica's always been very vocal about social issues and politics, and has spoken against misogyny, sexism, gun violence, racism and discrimination in general.

I added misandry, as it a social issue that should be fought against, especially by people who claim to fight for equality.

[QUOTE=Tisha89;88658429]Jessica Chastain is not a misandrist. I am not a misandrist. So, I think this is not the right place for your attacks on man-hating women.[/quoute]

I never said she was. I never said you were. And that is a nice attempt to paint me as the one in the wrong. But I haven't attacked anyone, all I have done, is point out the hypocrisy.


Thanks, but you didn't make that clear. You just responded to my post, with one block of text. Unlike what I am doing now, breaking your post down, and letting you know what exactly I am responding to.

Given what it might be in response to, it matters.


[QUOTE=Tisha89;88658429]It was not an order. Of course I know what that is, my first e-mail was hotmail. Yahoo works like that too. I guess you might be referring to msn? I used to go there all the time like a decade ago, "wonderwall" or something like that was where all the entertainment news were. I also know that they have those news headlines and articles organized in categories (entertainment, sports,...), and that you have to actually click on them to read the articles.[quote]

MSN, hotmail, it doesn't really matter. But I use hotmail, and when logged out, users are taken to a page with different articles. And while you are right that they are sorted into areas, the title (or part of it) is still visable. So I don't have to click on it. Also, if I use Google to search for news on the Painkiller Jane film, given Jessica's involvement (and due to how articles are written) articles on Jessica with a political leaning will still show up. Again, I don't have to click on them.

No, not really. The Painkiller Jane film had been announced before Jessica was cast. I have been waiting for (and checking google for updates), since the Soska sisters had been announced as the directors.

It's not so much that I am interested or not interested in what she has to say, but that her social/political views might be forced onto the character.

The point that I am trying to make, is that it sounds like she is becoming more political. Maybe I am wrong, in which i will happily admit I am wrong. I never thought that an actress of Jessica's calibre would star in the film. And I am pleased that she signed on to the film.

Fair enough. I don't know if you are reading this, but I hope that you can appreciate that I had to respond and give my side. When I talked about men's rights, it wasn't my intention to upset and offend. I just believe in 100% equality.

Musidora

@ the Golden Globes last night:

ina_am

Beautiful dress