Lauren Helen Graham

Miranda

Thanks for starting this Kris! Can't wait to see the episode. Bummed that I have to wait until Sunday evening or Monday to watch it.

Lauren Helen Graham

You know, I almost missed that I had to start this one today It's been such a long hiatus and now it's at the time already... Fantastic, really

JayT2001

Louis T. Steinhil = The Illusionist

Fangirl49

I wish I known hadn’t that louis t steinhill stood for the illusionist. I didn’t read it here but on tumblr. That kind of spoiled the surprise that red wasn’t really in France or injured.

Although I gotta admit at first I wasn’t totally sure what was real and what wasn’t. Red thought himself paralyzed. My poor baby. But he kept his wits and kept thinking no matter what. He’s amazing. I think the black nurse kind of liked him. I’m hoping she may help him willingly this time. And red managed to escape but they caught him.

Kris we heard Marvin’s name!!!! I thought of you. Sounded like Marvin is in jail though.

I’ve wanted the team to learn what Liz did to Red. But they should have done that last year. They kind of washed over er having him locked up. I didn’t get the reaction I wanted.

Cooper seems most in shock because he knows Red. Are we gonna learn their story!!!! I say yes.

Love Aram. Do not want him dating after 6 months. Please say he decided not to use ressslers app.

Katarina is a cold hearted person. Does she hate our Red. Is this really Ilya? Pleases tell me this story. And she asked him nothing about liz.

Love Dembe freaking out over Red.

And Liz don’t make me regret this I loved when she tells Cooper that she really likes red. And at the end when she talks about him giving up half his life for her for no reason and how that has finally struck her that he cares for her too. I think she finally feels free to admit that she cares. I’m probably going to regret this whole paragraph.

JayT2001

I apologize. A friend in another group told me it was an anagram and I made the mistake of asking for what. I'm sorry guys. But yes a pretty solid opening that I think sets the table for next week.

I do not think Cooper was shocked by Liz's story as much he was that she actually believed it. Just my take. I still think Cooper knows exactly who Red is due to the Daniel Hutton answer. There's so much I want to say but I'm going to wait for the conclusion next week because I still have far too many questions and I'm not real sure what to think.

Penny Lane

I posted about the season premiere on our social media channels. Have fun watching!

Fangirl49

That’s okay jay. I had already read the illusionist title way before your post. I read all
Spoilers and sometimes regret it.

Lauren Helen Graham

Same here about Louis T. Steinhil being the Illusionist and it spoiling everything for me But yeah, that's simply the risk.

I saw the episode yesterday and I have to admit that I have no idea what to make of it. I wasn't as amazed as I thought I'd be. And don't ask me why... Maybe because of all the Paris stuff that wasn't Paris actually.

Marvin was mentioned! I loved it so much. It's so funny, when Red says the number it is almost the same that he tells the warden in Luther Braxton. I was like: Oh cool, he wants to try this one again and it turns out it's been something completely different. Funny though nobody knows about it besides of Cooper (and Ressler).

Liz talking about her feelings was great. I loved to get some insight finally. And actually it made some kind of sense, even why she was angry and behaving like she did when she found out he was her father (although he wasn't ). You know what I mean I hope.
And yes, I might regret that as well very soon but man was I happy to hear Liz admit how much she cares about Red and that she reflects that he gave up his life for her although, like she said, he was nothing to her.

Aram wasn't dating. He described that very clearly to Liz. So no worries. I think it was Resslers try to get Aram to focus on other things. And it's half a year already? This makes me so sad.

The nanny business was kind of boring...

Katarina, I have no idea what she wants from him. Did he see it coming that Katarina did all of it and that she wants something of him before he actually saw her? I'm really wondering... Is it possible he is confused about this whole situation?

Black_Jack

I just have a thought are we getting duped? How do we know the Woman is actually Katarina Rostova?

My brother suggested a theory on why Katerina is targeting/torturing Red because Red killed Katherine Nemec/Mr. Kaplan.

Fangirl49

Great point jack. I bet she is furious about Kaplan.

Kris I felt the same about the episode and was kind of let down by it. But I think when we rewatch or even when we see it in context with the others we will feel differently. It just felt like a repeat of the episode where Ressler and Liz are held in the fake hospital

So Katarina has Red for 6 days. So I wonder what happened on this time period we did not see. Why does Katarina hate him. What does she want. What happened between them and when.

She moved him to Annapolis. Same place RR went to military school, right?

And he knew the guys name from Kuwait where Cooper was with someone??

Lauren Helen Graham

Jay, we have been wondering if that is the real Katarina Rostova or not as well... Why wanted she to know about Katarina Rostova when she is the person actually. That's what got to me, too. Or maybe some of her memories were erased/tampered with as well?

Oh, and I love the death of Kaplan being a trigger. But wouldn't it have taken her really long to start now?

It wasn't a bad episode. I think the problem was that I knew a lot of stuff already like Liz bringing up the imposter topic and so on... The spoilers gave a lot away regarding their relationships/dynamic.

Annapolis RR went to military school in? I have really no idea How can you recall that?

Yes, you are talking about their talk, right? The question that Cooper asked about. I loved that.

Miranda

So I guess I am the only one who didn't know that Louis T. Steinhill was an anagram for The Illusionist. I am glad I didn't know thought. Not reading spoilers is great. So in the beginning I thought everything was real and I was kind freaking out because I was scared they were going to put Red in a wheelchair for the rest of the season or something.

Katarina must have known that Red would figure out that something wasn't right. She underestimated him. Don't think she will do that again now.

I still wonder if she is real Katarina. We don't know that. And what could it possible be that she wants to know from Red? If she really is Katarina, she already knows his biggest secret and that is that he is not the real RR.

I never thought that Liz would actually tell Cooper and Aram about Red. To me that shows me that Liz has changed. I even believe her when she said that it doesn't matter anymore to her who he is. Cause if she didn't believe that she would have never told Cooper and Aram.

I really felt for Aram when he heard that Red is not the real Red. I am sure he feels betrayed in a way.

JayT2001

Lauren, i think you nailed it!!!!! Friday night was almost enough to have me completely change theories until I remembered something I almost forgot about and why it may have seemed weird that she was looking for Katarina. Oh! And possibly she is Katarina.I will do my best.

I wasn't going to say much until after the conclusion but then I realized my near miss was almost too big to wait but allow me to say I might be very wrong. I will start by saying I get why so many people adopted the Rederina theory. In fact, I came close to jumping on ship and sailing away with them. Until 2 details hit me.

The first being how Red manipulated those Reels and pictures by editing out Katarina. I mean if he's her she's him whatever the case why do that? I never bought the whole eyes thing and saw it as her seeing an image of a man who was there and his motives. I highly doubt Liz will ask him if he's her mother and we know Dom would lie his ### off to her before telling her that so no danger in that happening. And that's when it hit me. She's out there and she's still alive.

How this is all possible? Look no further than the man who manipulated Liz's memory. Krilov. I could be wrong. Very wrong but I think the answers she seeks is with who Katarina was and not what Red and Krilov turned her into. It would explain why she's so cold in her methods.

Fangirl49

Kris I’m not so smart about Annapolis and the military academy connection. I read that on tumblr.

Jay, I know what you mean about Redarina. It would be easy to believe. But I’m with you and don’t believe it. What reels and pictures are you talking about. Is it from S1? If so, I think that’s Reds real family. But I’m willing to listen!

So you guys think Red changed Katarina’s memories and that’s why Dembe said Liz might not forgive red? interesting theory and one I hope is not true.

From Kaplan’s flashback forward, I was already starting to see this evil Katarina. So I’m hoping that’s just who she was. For her to be able to manipulate RR, there had to be some coldness in her.

And honestly I didn’t realize she asked Red about Katarina. Maybe trying to trick him. I’m going with trick. Red knows the last person he was with was katarina. So I’m sure they were trying to trick him about his abduction. Keep him off balance. So he is thinking he was abducted from her beat up and left paralyzed. And the police found him it was all an elaborate illusion

So she had red for 6 days. So you think red unconscious the whole time.