ring of fire

I think Vanessa was a horrible character from the start. The actress wasn't the problem. The problem was that her character was a huge hypocrite and it would have worked better if Vanessa had been like book!Vanessa. It would have been interesting to have a goth/emo in their school and imo the Brooklyn storylines would have been better. Even the books writer hated her in the tv show.

What happened to Vanessa that season?

Jamie

A lot!

In short, Dan was all over the place between wanting to be with her and wanting to be with Serena. Eventually Vanessa teamed up with Jenny and a new character, Juliet to takedown Serena. When all went wrong, Vanessa blamed Jenny. Dan hated her after that.

Then she came back several episodes later and started basically spying on people. It was weird, she just happened to be around and overheard like three 'secrets'. When she went to tell Dan or Serena what she had heard they had no interest in hearing her out because seriously, they HATED her at that point.

I know that isn't super specific..but it would take a while to really explain it all.

Also - I never read the books unfortunately, so I only comment on the show.

ds44

Eh Vanessa should never have returned after 322. They never fully fleshed her out and just used her as a sort of stand-in plot device when they didn't want to hire a guest star. I know she was supposed to e Dan's bff, but we saw so little of that friendship and I know people love to just call him out on the destruction of that friendship,but they had vanessa acting superior and wonky from the time she showed up in 106. With the exception of the short-buildup in S3 and a few scattered moments in S1 and 2, it was mostly just a nonfriendship. It was more just that girl who was waiting for him to be with her and dismissing his feelings for the girl he actually loved. S4 I know we were supposed to see her as such a good person for helping him out with milo. But, he never asked for her help. She only did it cause Juliet said Dan wanted her back. While I do think he cared for her, she often pushed the limits with him. I mean teaming up with juliet then blaming his sister and leaving for vermont? Why not face him? The fact that she thought he'd just forgive her was a bit much.

Jamie

Well, I definitely agree that V should have remained gone at the end of S3. That would have left her character what it originally was at least. S4 was horrible all around for her.

ds44

yeah I felt like they went a little too far with V in S4 and I say this as a hater. They did the same with J, but atleast they tried to redeem her.

Jamie

J actually wasn't as bad as V, but yes, both characters still pretty ruined.

ds44

she just never seemed to be that burned by Serena. Yeah she loved Nate, but she knew that she didn't really want him that much. It just seemed super OTT. I hated that juliet got away with it. That was just dumb as hell.

lessismore

You must really love him a lot then

Hi

I think CB got a solid rebuilt unlike any others, especially Chuck's growth (journey) was amazing.

Dan is the worst for many reasons imo and not related to others being ruined as well. But to each whatever...

GG is not some regular teen drama thats for sure thats why I was hooked in the first place. my faves are s1 and s2 too but I also love s3 and s4 some epis so much. S5 blah except some epis and s6 was so fast paced... But I love the ending especially. you should at least watch some epis imo you'd love

Jamie

I don't think Serena did anything to V.
V was just tired of Dan/Nate choosing Serena over everything.

lessismore

and also jealous?

ring of fire

^ I agree. It's funny that Vanessa decided to take down Serena when Serena never did anything to her (at least intentionally).

This sounds so ridiculous and OOC Vanessa was never my favorite and she did plenty of crappy things but this sounds really contrived.


I loved it because it was fun and it wasn't cheesy or corny. There was no "lesson learned" and people made mistakes all the time and sometimes acted really selfish.

Jamie

Well, I just watched 501. Here we go with this mess of a season. I forgot what Diana's motive with Nate is, but I'll find out. I also forgot what brings Serena back to NY now that she has a job in LA. Dan's still "in love" with Blair... Chuck, of course, is hiding his pain... Not that I don't LOVE Blair bear, but it is a little annoying three guys fighting over her basically.

lessismore

Bleh good luck with it... But first half is watchable at least

Yeah everyone "loves" Blair show didnt work at all, especially with the OOCness and all. They wanted to copy s2 and it sucked ofc. S1 and s2 were the bests hands down.

Chuck, Serena and Nate in LA my babies are so gorgeous! Look at this beauty awww



Hmm as I remember Diana basically used Natie to be close to Chuck and then her work in NYC. And granpa vanderbilt was effective for making Nate to choose smt would work for them too. I think granpa vanderbilt also had some secrets Diana might expose and vice versa All that cougerness was a plus for her imo because he is so pretty who wouldn't I mean? If you notice smt different let me know!

Serena returns to NYC because the production of the movie ends, so does her job there but she continues to work with the agent she met there. So they all return to NYC actually. And she encounters Charlie/Ivy and brings her as well.

Sure Dan is still "in love" with Blair so much so that he almost lets her ruin her engagement unless Louis pops up #smh

Chuckles aww, he feels nothing and he finds the invitation Blair sent (wtf Blair really?) and he got hurt from the place he put the invitiation when he had the motor accident

"People like me don't write books, we are written about"


I understand Well it became somewhat cheesy with everyone sleeping with each other imo like it was something necessary or "organic" as they claimed but it was the opposite and also I have to admit that it became overly dramatic and then they used slapstick comedy with db which I also disliked very much... I hated so much because there were so many other great dynamics and SLs they could have explored and they wasted so much potential, so much... Dropping SLs like rotten eggs they created and yet to be answered and not being able to deal with aftermaths of the serious SLs... Ugh...

Jamie

Chuck/Nate/Serena were very pretty (and adorable) in LA! That hug So cute!

I actually loved seeing so much of Santa Monica on the show since that is where I live now.

Artemis

Shu, you and I agree on ... nothing ... about this show, except for this point. So true and so annoying. I hate that this had to happen. Like, last time I checked, NYC wasn't lacking in population. A quarter of the sex partners did not need to happen. And, granted, there's so very few guest star sex partners I liked, but still better than the group of like 7.


*CRIES* Book!V was my second favorite character. I HATEEEEEEEE that they only kept the filmmaking a part of her character. Having her in school would have been great. A different interaction between BS and J. Blair/Vanessa ROOMMATES. SO CLOSE TO GETTING THAT, and nope!

They ruined most of the books, but the biggest disappointment, IMO, was what they did with Vanessa's character between the books/show.