The Borgias - The Borgias Season 2 General Discussion #2 - Page 2

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 10-03-2012, 12:23 PM

I'm not really sure if that happened for real or not.

However, I don't think they're gonna do it in The Borgias.

Roon · 10-04-2012, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post)

Yeah, and it is Showtime, after all.

I remember the first thing I watched on Showtime, back in 19......uhhh.....

Well, Showtime hasn't changed much.

It's really hypersexualized, even moreso than HBO. I'm surprised that they haven't gone as far as Borgia has.

I also noticed that Guila having her face cut didn't happen on the Showtime series, either. Did that really happen?

Im actually quite surprised that The Borgias hasnt done a couple of things considering its Showtime, they normally dont hold back on their shows and have done some pretty controversial topics before. Im thinking of Californication here - Hank and all his numerous sexual encounters, underage sex, the whole porn bit etc etc. It was all pretty risque and gets more so every series I think.

Then there is Weeds, the subject of drugs alone pretty controversial never mind some of the sex in that

Soo.... Im really surprised The Borgias hasnt gone further with Cesare and Lucrezia.
I have watched the final episode of Season 2 a few times now... (warning spoilers ahead if you havent seen it). That scene in Lucrezia's room where she asks Cesare to marry her and Alfonso. There is that kiss at the end, followed by the dance scene a bit later. I always feel there is a piece missing there. I wonder if they shot an alternate kiss in that scene, a proper one, which would better explain all those looks in the dance. This is the kiss Im talking about I think:-

Source: Beware the rose

I think they shot a kiss where Cesare kisses her on the lips and its a proper one, and it would fit with the longing looks in the dance and the glares from Alfonso and Vanozza, but then decided not to show it. Just my opinion of course.
And if they did, it would have been a better set up of the tension between Cesare and Alfonso Im sure we are going to see in season 3.

**PhoenixRising** · 10-04-2012, 06:49 AM

I agree with you Roon.

We should be seeing a lot more risque stuff on The Borgias considering that this is Showtime, especially with Cesare and Lucrezia. And this is Neil Jordan, the director of The Crying Game!

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 10-05-2012, 12:10 PM

We're seeing a lot more of CL in Borgia, but there it looks a bit forced at the end.

They didn't have a proper build up.

**PhoenixRising** · 10-07-2012, 02:15 PM

You mean how they just come together without displaying any undue affection for each other early on? Yeah, the Showtime series does do a better job of showing them having an unusually close relationship from the beginning.

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 10-10-2012, 12:00 PM

..but never too close.

While in Borgia, they're jumping right into the bed.

**PhoenixRising** · 10-12-2012, 10:01 PM

Yeah, I can't wait for that scene because I have no idea what leads up to it.

Cesare and Lucrezia have hardly interacted with each other in the first season of Borgais. A Sharp contrast to the Showtime series, where they can't keep their hands off each other.

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 10-13-2012, 12:17 AM

Just looked so all of a sudden for me.

Lucrezia has more scenes with Juan there. Then all of a sudden she's so in love with Cesare and all that stuff... I just didn't get it.

**PhoenixRising** · 10-13-2012, 08:48 PM

Yeah, that did confuse me. It's almost like both shows joined together would fill in the blanks.

Nikki K · 10-14-2012, 06:41 AM

^^That might have solved quite a few problems.

As for Lucrezia being in love with Cesare in the Borgia finale – I don't think that was even implied at all. There were two components to it (a) she's always excited to do something that crosses the line and (b) she had to make sure that Cesare wouldn't discover Pedro in her room so she distracted him.

**BL.Arinna_1982** · 10-14-2012, 10:34 AM

She distracted him in a very good way.

No, seriously now. I think they should work more on CL relationship in Borgia. I think that's what looked off for me there. But I'm not complaining for the finale though.