[Mignonette]

That video made me miss Ces & Lu so much We need some new fan fiction with them.

[PhoenixRising]

Aww... Lila.

Yeah, I wish we did have new fan fiction with them. Arinna wrote some stuff a long time ago, but nothing recently. I haven't seen any new fics or vids of them in a long time.

[BL.Arinna_1982]

Nope, nothing new.

[PhoenixRising]

I love this scene!

[Mignonette]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) I love this scene!

OMG me too, Alex! I stood up & cheered when she told him she was tired of him pulling away from her & finally confessed her feelings to him!! Thanks for posting that clip

[BL.Arinna_1982]

And then he went to war.

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by Mignonette (View Post) OMG me too, Alex! I stood up & cheered when she told him she was tired of him pulling away from her & finally confessed her feelings to him!! Thanks for posting that clip

You're welcome, Lila! Yeah, I loved what Lucrezia said as well. And even I got frustrated by him pulling away from her. He picked a hell of a time to finally accept his feelings and claim her, while they were both lying a few feet away from her dead husband's body.


Yes he did, Arinna.

[Mignonette]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) You're welcome, Lila! Yeah, I loved what Lucrezia said as well. And even I got frustrated by him pulling away from her. He picked a hell of a time to finally accept his feelings and claim her, while they were both lying a few feet away from her dead husband's body.

Hi Alex! I wish Ces & Lu had been given their own scene where he claimed her & carried her off to the bedroom. Like François said, it was the best ending for Ces & Lu in that they ended up together.

Alf's dead body on the bed with them was morbid, but I think it was important in showing how much they meant to each other. They loved so desperately, so passionately, that they could ignore her dead husband's body literally laying in the bed next to them while they're making out! Can you imagine loving someone so much that you lose your sense of reality like that? Wow. Brilliant writing: a picture paints a thousand words...

They killed Alf together, him stabbing, her poisoning, so I think that's the second reason the writers left his body with them.

Originally Posted by BL.Arinna_1982 (View Post) And then he went to war.

Hi Arinna! Yes, he went to war with Caterina & then he went to war with Alf . He defeated both of his enemies!

[BL.Arinna_1982]

Yeah, that he did.

[PhoenixRising]

Hi, Lila!

Oh, yeah... that would've been a great scene if Cesare had carried her away. And Francois said that?

Yeah, I understand that Alf's dead body was important imagery, but I just wish it didn't have to linger in the final frame. That's a good observation that they were ignoring him because they were so lost in each other. And yeah, they did kill him together, so it was fitting. I wish they had just laid there next to Alf's body for a short time and then Cesare would carry her away just like he did on her wedding night back in season 1.

[Mignonette]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Hi, Lila! Oh, yeah... that would've been a great scene if Cesare had carried her away. And Francois said that? Yeah, I understand that Alf's dead body was important imagery, but I just wish it didn't have to linger in the final frame. That's a good observation that they were ignoring him because they were so lost in each other. And yeah, they did kill him together, so it was fitting. I wish they had just laid there next to Alf's body for a short time and then Cesare would carry her away just like he did on her wedding night back in season 1.

Hi Alex! Yes, François was asked what he thought of the show being cancelled & the ending. He said he believed Ces & Lu had the best possible ending, because they were finally together & he was happy about that. I love how he made no apologies about shipping them. And Holly, too. I think the show would've been very different had they not shipped the siblings from the very beginning & fought for their relationship, don't you, Alex?

Thanks! I agree with you - that would've been a great scene of him carrying her off & not lingering next to Alf. Maybe the writers were trying to show how dark & badass the Borgia siblings had become? I would've liked the more romantic ending.

Good point about him carrying her on her wedding night! He carried her again when Paolo died & she collapsed on the street. He was always carrying her off to a bed somewhere so ending with him carrying her off to yet another bed would've been so apropos!

[BL.Arinna_1982]

[PhoenixRising]

Thanks for that gif, Arinna! The Eskimo kiss!


Hi, Lila! Well I'm glad that Francois said that because so many of us were frustrated when the show ended the way it did. I'm also glad that Francois and Holly unapologetically shipped Ces and Lu. Yes, the show would've been very different if they hadn't fought for that relationship. It might've ended up like Borgia.

Thanks for agreeing with me! Yeah, it just made sense to me as a way to frame their relationship and bookend things with Cesare carrying the innocent Lucrezia to her bed on her wedding night, and then the older Cesare carrying the older Lucrezia - who had just murdered her husband - to his bed to claim as his own. Yes, it would've been a more romantic that way. Oh yeah, I forgot that Cesare carried her after Paolo died as well.

[Mignonette]

Thanks Arinna, we all love their little nose bumps!

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Hi, Lila! Well I'm glad that Francois said that because so many of us were frustrated when the show ended the way it did. I'm also glad that Francois and Holly unapologetically shipped Ces and Lu. Yes, the show would've been very different if they hadn't fought for that relationship. It might've ended up like Borgia. Thanks for agreeing with me! Yeah, it just made sense to me as a way to frame their relationship and bookend things with Cesare carrying the innocent Lucrezia to her bed on her wedding night, and then the older Cesare carrying the older Lucrezia - who had just murdered her husband - to his bed to claim as his own. Yes, it would've been a more romantic that way. Oh yeah, I forgot that Cesare carried her after Paolo died as well.

Hi Alex! yes! you nailed it - that should've been the ending! That's what made their relationship so hot: the romance + raw passion. The romance of carrying her off to bed, his caveman possessiveness of her, & the passion of being so lost in each other that the dead body of her husband didn't faze them. Like their constant eye contact in their sex scene: when they were together, everything else just faded away...

Borgia lacked the heart & soul connection that François & Holly definitely brought to The Borgias. But I did love this scene from Borgia: Cesar was so badass when he insinuated that baby Rodrigo was his, then turned his back & walked away mocking him. It's cool they included this scene, cause IRL, Alfonso did have concerns that his son with Lucrezia was actually fathered by Cesar. The rumours of incest had already spread thru Italy when baby Rodrigo was born & many people already wondered if baby Giovanni was C&L's.

[PhoenixRising]

Hi, Lila! OMG, thanks for that video! That's Mark and Isolda from Borgia. Is that Alfonso in that scene? Oh yeah, Lu and Alf did have a child together that died at the age of 12. The Borgias didn't include that child. But Alfonso in real life did suspect that the child was Cesare's and not his? Yeah, I know that many people suspected the same of baby Giovanni, but that baby was never recognized as Lucrezia's by Pope Alexander.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Yeah, that would've made a better ending. Yep, it could've ended with Cesare telling Lucrezia, "you will be clean and bloodless again... and mine." Then, after kissing her neck, he would lift her up from the bed where Alfonso was lying and carry her out of the room, and the episode would end with Cesare carrying her down the hallway towards his bedroom, and then go to black and end credits. I agree about the raw passion as well. Yep, she didn't even seem to notice Alfonso lying there after Cesare began cleaning off her face and kissing her.