Jaylina

A very small role

Taryn74

Aw that's cool! I'll have to look up what character.

I had forgotten how much I loved Fringe. I need to find time to do a rewatch sometime soon.

Back on topic, I know people have a really hard time with the decisions made in God Complex regarding the testing chamber, but I have to say I'm really not sure I wouldn't have done the same thing. I mean, as far as the characters know they are talking about preserving the human race. This is no longer a matter of which person or tribe "deserves" to live more than the others or anything like that. If they don't find a solution, everyone (everyone presumably being everyone on the planet) is dead in a matter of a few weeks.

I just don't know that there's any moral high ground to be had, here.

the1marie

That’s why I loved the lab scenes so much. Everything they were doing was so terrible, and yet as far as they knew it really had to be done. I would not want to be in their shoes.

How did I not know this? I’m gonna have to find that

Damocles

It's tough because like, they kind of HAD to test on someone. For obvious reasons and out of total desperation. It sucks. And who's going to sacrifice themselves? Clarke was, but only later...after they melted someone. If I were there, I can't say I would have volunteered

I think we know the answer Although what happens with all the other animals? How did they even survive the first Primefiryersrasydfasdf?! <--I hate that word and I still don't know how to spell it.

Is this Marie in fringe?



Also while looking for a pic of her in fringe I found quite possible the worst photo of her ever:

Taryn74

Looks like it! She was a waitress in one ep so I bet that's it.

Re: Helios. My first thought was yep, there's lunch but if we're going to get down to the nitty gritty reality of trying to preserve life on the planet, they're going to need horses (among other animals) when they emerge from the bunker in five years, you know? So Helios may be getting himself a lady friend.

I have a feeling the writers aren't intending to make this situation as dire and complicated as I'm thinking about, though.

Damocles

Helios has been such a good boy, he deserves a fighting chance

Jaylina

Yes it's her

She did surgery for her nose that's why we did not recognize her at first glance



Helios

Damocles

Honestly, one of the best nosejobs I've ever seen!

I hope they at least let us know what happens with Helios!

destroyer of worlds

OMG, Marie looks so different there.

Thanks, girls! This is so intriguing, I love the whole "cause/effect, butterfly effect" theme going on there.

This discussion is also making me want to rewatch Fringe/finish the episodes too.

Oh, absolutely. And that's one of the things I love about the show, we all know it's not the right thing to do from a moral perspective but from a logical perspective, the need to save the human race outweighs the impact of one person's pain/death ... as harsh as that sounds. I would have absolutely done the same too, and I like that you can see they struggled with that decision too ... even when they thought that fake!Bayliss was evil and deserved to die. It's still not easy to condemn someone to die like that.

Taryn74

Just out of curiosity, does Indra gunning down the Ice Nation guys when she had the chance, make anyone feel differently about Pike's attitude toward them in S3? (Remember, until he made it to Arkadia, Ice Nation was the ONLY experience Pike and Farm Station had with Grounders.)

the1marie

Wow, that's a good question. I think for me, not really. My main issue with Pike's thinking wasn't that he didn't like Ice Nation, but it was that despite other leadership in Arkadia insisting that not all grounders were the same, he refused to listen to their experience. So I sort of understood his prejudice (though I disagreed with it) but I didn't understand why he was so prideful in believing his experiences with grounders were more valid than others

Damocles

I always 'understood' Pike's attitude towards them, but didn't agree with his actions necessarily. I think Indra gunning those guys down was very interesting and a bit shocking.

The only weird thing is, that we are expected to think of the Ice Nation as being crazy ruthless, but right now we are sort of buddies with them

Taryn74

It's definitely a mixed message, and honestly one of the problems I have with the show right now.

Damocles

Yeah, and I keep wondering if like...something else will happen? So far they've kind of had us sympathise with Echo and like Roan. Where's the ruthless Ice Nation that caused so much chaos within the Sky People?

destroyer of worlds

That is my POV of it as well. I understood why Pike would think the way he did, but it's apparent that Skaikru has a different take on it, having interacted with them a lot more than Farm Station and knows that it's not so easy to classify them as "bad" or "good".

I feel that way as well too, to some extent. Well, I do think we have seen some brutality from them (them viciously killing Trikru for one) but it's weird to think that there's supposed to be two "factions" within Ice Nation: Roan (good) and others (bad) and I don't even know what the heck Echo is supposed to represent. Perhaps a mix of both?