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So Karen here are my way overdue comments on your review:

So Checkmate used Icicle to being the JSA and JLA together? So the people who died were just like collateral damage? Not a fan of that.

Um maybe. I haven't watched this ep in such a long time so I don't remember.

And it confuses me when Martian Manhunter says that Clark, Ollie and Chloe are his family. Clark I get, but the other two? The only time I know of Ollie and MM being in the same orbit was in Odyssey.

Yeah I don't get that either.

The Tess reveal was kinda cool and totally unsuspected but I think more than anything it just confuses me about her history and where she fits in really. I mean is she CEO first and foremost and then a Checkmate agent (I mean was she approached after she was CEO) or was she a Checkmate agent and ended up CEO as part of her cover. And where does all of that tie into what she was in the Toxic flashbacks.

I think what happened in Toxic happened before the rest of it. And I'm not really ure about the rest of it but I think she was probably in Checkmate before she became a CEO since that would explain her fascination with Clark better.

The first thing I really didn't like it is seeming again as though Chloe is pretty much Clark's brain/the brain behind the JLA. I do understand she has a function in being Watchtower but IMO that doesn't mean she's in charge and I think sometimes she just comes across as being mother hen. This show is about Clark's journey and Clark should be the leader first and foremost and yet I counted at least twice in the first half of this where Chloe is telling Clark what to do/what he has to do.

Not sometimes IMO she's a mother hen most of the time...like how she reprimanded Clark for not following protocol or something like that in Checkmate. And yes Clark should be the leader and the one calling the shots.

There were a couple of times when they it appeared that scenes ran too long IMO, like the stuff at the museum at the end of part one and beginning of part two. I know there were adverts in between some of it, but it just seemed to take too long and I recall on watching the episode the first time hoping that I expected us to see Lois in the very first scene of the second half of the episode.

Yeah I think some scenes were a bit too long, honestly I think if they'd trimmed some stuff down it would have been possible to make this just one episode.

When Clark touched Dr Fate and we saw the thing with the \S/ cape. I was disappointed that it was something we'd already seen before. I know time and money blah blah but still! I love how Clark reacted to Dr. Fate reading him in that scene And hated how here I think they start to allude to Chloe potentially becoming Dr. Fate and I was sort of expecting her to become Dr Fate by the end of this episode once he died.

Hmm I didn't see it as Chloe potentially becoming Dr. Fate. I thought he was just warning her that she'd go crazy if she kept gathering all this info and knowledge about other people. And when did we see that shot before?

I like the introduction of Hawkman and the Hawkman/Green Arrow banter. They just crack me up whenever we see them together, like we did in Salvation. But there are moments when Hawkman annoys me, his voice starts to grate on my nerves.

It kind of sounds like he's chanelling Christian Bale's Batman. Wouldn't that hurt his voice?

Loved how they alluded to Green Arrow and Black Canary having some sort of e-mail tryst or something. Talk about that being an anvil. I do really want to see these two together just because I think they'll look so awesome together. While I like that they acknowledge that there's something between GA and BC it bugs me that the next episode saw the Chlollie hook up.

Yeah I know what you mean. I liked the GA/BC thing too but why wasn't Ollie upset that Chloe was reading his personal e-mails?

They show/tell us of a clear distinction between Clark and Hawkman. Startgirl said that he crossed the line so much or something, while we've seen time and again and discussed time and again that Clark has never and will never cross that line. Once he does that once, it's easy to do it again and again. And I like that Carter learned something from Clark too (to keep trying). I don't know if it's just me but the moment between Clark and Carter when Carter brings up Clark flying, I totally got the impression they wrote it in such a way that you could make the leap that Lois was related to Clark not being able to fly. Just the way Carter was looking at the mask of his wife as he talked about the flying.

Hmm yeah I get that. And we have talked before about how Lois could play a role in that and that Clark hasn't accepted himself completely yet. Once he does and he sees that Lois does, he should be able to let go of his hang ups and be able to fly.

Checkmate - how it was introduced and became a recurring theme for the season. How Lois was picked specifically as someone to investigate into the JSA. I love that she is so highly thought of by so many people that they want her to tell the story or investigate stuff for them. And I think it's made all the more awesomer (don't care if it's not a word ) by the fact that Waller tells Lois why she was picked.

Hee I love that too! Lois is making people take notice of her and building a name for herself.

I was a little disappointed that we think we're getting a Clois scene and it turns out Lois is talking to someone else, who IMO looks nothing like the rear-end of Clark but Lois was barely in the bullpen when she was talking to him so I let that one slide. Would Clark usually be as quiet as that through a Lois tirade?

You know I kind of think that he would be or he'd just say her name a couple of times and let her finish rambling or just kiss her to shut her up.

And again, she still has the funniest lines "Not that I don't like a good mud bath but I prefer mine without clothes"! First of all and second of all, that's such a tease. I want my Clois without clothes!! I need it!

So do I! GIMME, GIMME!

[QUOTE]When Lois mentions what could be better than a breakfast date with Lois Lane, does she mean Clark or the other guy since he just walked away? Also, love that she made Clark coffee too! [QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure she meant Clark.

I love that when the subtle parcel is delivered Lois makes a beeline for it right away. And as usual when Lois and Tess are in the same room there's the usual snark What does Tess mean when she replies "Not Yet" to Lois saying she's not having problems?

Maybe she means with Checkmate since Lois doesn't know what she's getting into yet.

And I know this isn't strictly Lois but it leads on to an indirect Clois scene. I really love the Clark/Dr. Fate scene and how Clark actually wants to know what his fate is. Long gone is the boy who wanted to escape his destiny, he's now embracing it. I love how they used this to bring up Lex and still reaffirmed that he will be Clark's greatest enemy and that he will defeat him. I sure hope that Welling is wooing MR b/c I really wanna see Lex know about Superman...but then, since he could expose Clark as Superman I'd imagine they would need to mind wipe Lex. This is a mindwipe I can get behind! I love that when Clark mentions that Lex is dead, Dr.Fate just changes the subject.

Well we know TW has been taking MR out to dinner and stuff and he joked about all the things he's been doing to get MR to come back so he is working on getting him back.

Clark hears Lois call out and wonders why she is there, I like that he asks what she's doing there and how Dr. Fate goes on to say that she's the key and then well, he opens the door. I love Lois' reference to horror movies and the irony in that there is a guy with a mask behind her She gets a fright (I would too) but she doesn't run away or hide (typical Lois Lane) and she compliments Dr. Fate on his helmet. I'm not sure if that was meant to be sincere but I love how he says Thank you. And I love how as she talks to Dr Fate she's backing up to the door. Then Dr Fate says those wonderful words about how Lois is the one Clark will need and Clark is the one she will need, but she has no clue he's talking about Clark.

I'm pretty sure Lois' crack about his helmet was sarcastic, but I love that he took it as a genuine compliment. And yeah I loved it that she kept talking to Fate as she backed up to the door. Love what Fate said about Clois.

Tess called Lois Clark's girlfriend!! And stirs up some **** as well.

Hee and now she's a Cloiser.

I wondered what the wooshing sound was when Lois came back to the bullpen but I guess Clark's putting away the file in her desk and getting to his seat so she doens't think he was rifling through her desk. I looooove that Clark wants to work with her, but I'm a little sad it's only b/c she's getting too close to what he's looking into but I guess it's meant to be for her safety because of Iceman or whatever. Clark says "Clark and Lois" and I chuckle when Lois corrects him, "Lois and Clark". I think it's pretty amazing that even though Lois doesn't want to share the story with Clark she still opens up to him about it. Telling him about how she was handpicked and meeting Dr. Fate and then there's the anvil about how his cape looked pretty good. And they talk some more about what Lois knows, so here we have Lois sharing information with Clark that will help him. She is awesome!

Hee yeah I like that we do get some scenes with them in this ep and how she helps him see that those guys are actually heroes and gives him info he needs. I also love how maybe she play a role in changing his mind about capes since he wasn't so keen on them in Identity.

I love this last Clois scene with Clark seeing Lois' story, but i have to ask, has Clark ever had a big story? He alludes to having had at least one in Charade but I don't recall and Lois has had loads. I like that Lois is open about what Dr Fate said to her and the way Clark gets up out of his chair and walks to Lois desk as he asks about her being told her fate. So I take it then that after Clark sped away from Dr. Fate he didn't listen in? How much do you adore that Clark's hones in on the "him" part and I love how Lois says it's ridiculous but still tells Clark honestly b/c she could have made something up to make Clark think it was him. But Clark's knows it is he that Dr. Fate was talking about Love how Clark asks her if she beleives in fate and her answer, which I think is partly to make Clark feel better. And she stands and end end shot...this is how they should have ended the episode IMO.

I don't think Clark has had a big story. At least not as far as I can remember. And I kind of think his reaction is interesting b/c it's almost like Clark wants Lois to know the secret since he's smiling when he tells her about what Fate said. Sure he knows that Fate was actually talking about him and their future together, but if Clark was really a regular guy like he's pretending to be, he wouldn't be that happy hearing that his gf was going to end up with someone else.

Yeah, so it's a good episode and everything but I hate how Johns got two episodes.

Yeah so do I. They'd better only give him one episode this year b/c it kind of seems like he just uses SV to showcase characters from DC comics who've never been shown in a live action medium before. At least this ep was very heavy on Clark and did a good job at intertwining storylines that played important roles in the following eps.

Okay now my comments on your comments on my review:

ITA with that, might be because this episode had Lois.

Yep that probably played a huge role in it.

I couldn't agree more. I love that they went all out on the effects and everything. I imagine this movie took up a lot of the budget though given the number of special guests and effects etc.

Yeah probably.

ITA on that. Although to be honest I haven't actually scrutinised how scenes were shot as much on this episode as I have on others.

Well you probably haven't seen this ep as many times as you've seen other eps right?

I agree with that and actually I think after the first couple of scenes she comes across like that but once you get more of her back story you understand.

Yeah exactly.

I loved that and how she kinda patted the computer, it was so funny.

Hee that was cute.

I know that led to Chloe going out at the end of this episode and of course she and Ollie did...whatever. But we still see as of Hostage she's still in that cocoon of Watchtower.

Yes we do.

Hmm, I don't think they are too alike.

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I really liked him too and you are right it was so sad to see.

And then he died.

Is there some significance of that?

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According to that wiki article, the ankh is the key of life, so they probably use that as Fate's symbol since he knows all about other people's lives.

Agreed and I love all of that too. I was sad that he died, I think it's rare that someone can have you care and root for them after such a short period of time.

Yeah I agree. The actor did an excellent job.

I don't think I read them.

Aww that's too bad. I don't have them saved or I'd send them to you.

Oh yeah, you have to give props for that. It didn't look comfortable at all.

He was probably so glad that he didn't have to wear that outfit when he came back in Shield.

IMO their banter has been one of the non-Clois highlights of the season!

Hee for me too!

And it gave us a lot of insight into why he may take the attitude that he would be okay to die so he can see her again. Like in Salvation when he said they should fight and take some Kandorians with them.

Yeah exactly. Death isn't the end for him it just means that he'll be reunited sooner with the woman he loves.

Those lines were too funny, send me your dry cleaning bill, send me your food bill!

Hee. Ollie can easily afford to pay those bills.

That moment was fantastic. She didn't flinch or anything. I guess it just shows she's as tough as old boots.

Yeah she's awesome! Hee she showed Icicle who's boss!

Wasn't that one of the most shocking moments of the season. I eman shocking as in surprising.

It really was!

That was funny too.

He's so great. I want to see him again this year.

I totally loved that b/c it's like the JLA were possibly going to be defeated until he got there, right?

Yep I think they won b/c of him.

She does have a lot of great material and I think AM is a really good actress, but I don't know, I think this show has really turned me off Chloe so much that I find it really hard to say nice things about her. I seem to see the negative aspects of Chloe more than the positive...if there are any.

Yeah I get that but this is one of the few eps in the later seasons where I like most of her scenes.

I think they did change her story. Didn't they make it seem like she checked herself into the funny farm b/c she was scared of what she could do? I'm pretty sure she discovered her meteor power when she one day told Chloe to do something (I think out of the ordinary) and Chloe did it.

Oh right.

I thought Tess was checking (in their first scene) to see Lois got the parcel, is that what you thought she was doing? Or do you think she didn't want Lois to be involved?

No, I thought Tess really was expecting that package to be for her.

I realllllllly want Ollie to have that connection with someone too and that he's learned from his mistakes...I just hate that after us seeing this side of Ollie he wasn't open enough with Clark about the weapons.

Yeah I know. Come on Ollie where is the trust man?

Clark. Do you know who has never ever stabbed you in the back? Me! And Lois too.

And me!

And I also love how come the end of the season we see that they are more of a team. But I sort of wonder if maybe Hawkman should have talked to Chloe too and said something about how she keeps secrets...like the green K weapons. IMO it's a wonder Calrk was ever able to trust her again.

Yeah well they made Chloe into a hero wrt that and had Chloe thanking her for making them so....

On the first viewing I thought it went smoothly enough and it was good enough for me to not wonder when she was going to appear, but as I said in my review, as soon as hour 2 started, they should have had the Lois scene. The JSA bit was too long in that section.

Yeah agreed.

Who? Don't think I knew who she was interviewing.

He's a former member of the JSA.

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Oh, great insight. I never thought of it in that way. I thought of it more in a Clois context. Like she is the key to Clark's happiness and if my flying theory is right, the key to his flying. And she is the key/link to Clark's humanity.

Well it works on several levels then.

Wasn't it just a great touch? Do you think it was intentional by Welling so we wouldn't be deprived of seeing Lois since she'd missed half the movie?

It was a great touch and I dunno it if was so we wouldn't be deprived of seeing Lois, but I thought it was a really unique way to see that scene and it was also a very in character thing for Lois to not turn her back to a strange man.

It makes total sense and unlike in other seasons they have gone out of their way this season to make sure that Lois has been mentioned in every episode she wasn't in, right? In Kandor, there was the kiss reference, and the scene when Clark told Ollie about Zod I can't recall if that was Checkmate or Sacrifice. Was she mentioned in the other one? And also like you say how others refer to them in a coupley way. It makes them mroe real becuse everyone knows they are dating.

Yeah I think they made sure to mention her in almost every ep she wasn't in this season and I think you're talking about Sacrifice. And yeah that's exactly what I mean about having others talk about them as a couple. I love that everyone knows that they're dating.

Oh excellent callback! I love Ollie in that scene.

So do I.

Still makes me squee.

Heh me too.

Tess is secretly a Cloiser! She is!

It's not even a secret anymore since in Shield she suggested that Clark go and get Lois.

I didn't think of that. As soon as Clark heard that I wonder if he told Martha and that's what made her think of the cape.

It's possible.

Another great callback. I didn't really take the time to think of this episode and how it tied in with other episodes b/c this was only my 2nd viewing.

Yeah I think I usually watch eps like 3 times before I review them, at least for new eps.

I love how you can tell as a viewer he's happy and he gets it, but it's not too obvious to lois.

Yep he loves knowing that they're meant for each other.

I like how you put that last part I also loved that Lois picked her words carefully and by saying it's what you make happen (fate) she's telling Clark I want you, I pick you and no one else.

Yes I love that. I love that they actively choose to be with each other b/c they want to be with each other and not just b/c they're supposed to be together.

Wow, so much enthusiasm wasted.

At least I didn't waste any smilies on that.

You go.

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) So Karen here are my way overdue comments on your review:

Not as overdue as my review was.

Um maybe. I haven't watched this ep in such a long time so I don't remember.

You really should have rewatched so you could comment on this.

Yeah I don't get that either.

Glad it wasn't just me.

I think what happened in Toxic happened before the rest of it. And I'm not really ure about the rest of it but I think she was probably in Checkmate before she became a CEO since that would explain her fascination with Clark better.

I expected that Toxic predated everything else, since she was like a different person then. That would explain her obsession with Clark.

Not sometimes IMO she's a mother hen most of the time...like how she reprimanded Clark for not following protocol or something like that in Checkmate. And yes Clark should be the leader and the one calling the shots.

Agreed, and yeah that bugged me about Checkmate too.

Yeah I think some scenes were a bit too long, honestly I think if they'd trimmed some stuff down it would have been possible to make this just one episode.

I don't know if they could have trimmed that much to be honest, but they could have added in some more Clois Or some more of something else.

Hmm I didn't see it as Chloe potentially becoming Dr. Fate. I thought he was just warning her that she'd go crazy if she kept gathering all this info and knowledge about other people. And when did we see that shot before?

I can't recall what episode it was from. I wish I could say. Maybe the episode when we got to see Lex's future? The one when the woman died. That seems rather cryptic sorry. And that might be what wFate meant.

It kind of sounds like he's chanelling Christian Bale's Batman. Wouldn't that hurt his voice?

I imagine it would hurt.

Yeah I know what you mean. I liked the GA/BC thing too but why wasn't Ollie upset that Chloe was reading his personal e-mails?

who knows.

Hmm yeah I get that. And we have talked before about how Lois could play a role in that and that Clark hasn't accepted himself completely yet. Once he does and he sees that Lois does, he should be able to let go of his hang ups and be able to fly.

We will know soon enough.

Hee I love that too! Lois is making people take notice of her and building a name for herself.

Lois is awesome!

You know I kind of think that he would be or he'd just say her name a couple of times and let her finish rambling or just kiss her to shut her up.

You mean a la Crossfire?

So do I! GIMME, GIMME!

I still need it.

I'm pretty sure she meant Clark.

Ah okay.

Maybe she means with Checkmate since Lois doesn't know what she's getting into yet.

That makes sense.

Well we know TW has been taking MR out to dinner and stuff and he joked about all the things he's been doing to get MR to come back so he is working on getting him back.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Tom is doing that.

I'm pretty sure Lois' crack about his helmet was sarcastic, but I love that he took it as a genuine compliment. And yeah I loved it that she kept talking to Fate as she backed up to the door. Love what Fate said about Clois.

I love he took it that way too!

Hee and now she's a Cloiser.

She really is.

Hee yeah I like that we do get some scenes with them in this ep and how she helps him see that those guys are actually heroes and gives him info he needs. I also love how maybe she play a role in changing his mind about capes since he wasn't so keen on them in Identity.

This I hope we get more of in the future.

I don't think Clark has had a big story. At least not as far as I can remember. And I kind of think his reaction is interesting b/c it's almost like Clark wants Lois to know the secret since he's smiling when he tells her about what Fate said. Sure he knows that Fate was actually talking about him and their future together, but if Clark was really a regular guy like he's pretending to be, he wouldn't be that happy hearing that his gf was going to end up with someone else.

Exactly, Clark doesn't get/show jealousy towards the Blur or anything like that unless it's Zod faking it. And interesting to think Calrk wanted her to know back then, but then, Kara seemed to think that Clark let Lois get so close to him way back at Bloodline b/c he thought she'd handle it.

Yeah so do I. They'd better only give him one episode this year b/c it kind of seems like he just uses SV to showcase characters from DC comics who've never been shown in a live action medium before. At least this ep was very heavy on Clark and did a good job at intertwining storylines that played important roles in the following eps.

True, at least it served a purpose, but it's still annoying he gets two. I hope it's only 1 though now.

Yep that probably played a huge role in it.

Yep.

Well you probably haven't seen this ep as many times as you've seen other eps right?

I think I've seen this episode in it's entirety three times. When it aired, so I miss stuff. After it aired and then for the review.

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Still don't see it

According to that wiki article, the ankh is the key of life, so they probably use that as Fate's symbol since he knows all about other people's lives.

Ah okay, we saw it again in Lazarus.

Aww that's too bad. I don't have them saved or I'd send them to you.

That's okay.

He was probably so glad that he didn't have to wear that outfit when he came back in Shield.

He probably was! I wonder if he gets the script and checks that first.

Yeah exactly. Death isn't the end for him it just means that he'll be reunited sooner with the woman he loves.

It makes me sad that we may see him die now.

Hee. Ollie can easily afford to pay those bills.

He could pay all of the JLA's bills.

He's so great. I want to see him again this year.

Universe, if you have time we'd like MM again!

Yeah I get that but this is one of the few eps in the later seasons where I like most of her scenes.

There really are few we can say that to which I hate.

No, I thought Tess really was expecting that package to be for her.

Hmm, maybe.

And me!

And Rachel. Forgot.

Yeah well they made Chloe into a hero wrt that and had Chloe thanking her for making them so....

Whatever.

He's a former member of the JSA. Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ah thanks.

Well it works on several levels then.

Clois often do.

It was a great touch and I dunno it if was so we wouldn't be deprived of seeing Lois, but I thought it was a really unique way to see that scene and it was also a very in character thing for Lois to not turn her back to a strange man.

Makes me giddy to think it was b/c she'd missed the first hour.

Yeah I think they made sure to mention her in almost every ep she wasn't in this season and I think you're talking about Sacrifice. And yeah that's exactly what I mean about having others talk about them as a couple. I love that everyone knows that they're dating.

And it's continuing this season.

It's not even a secret anymore since in Shield she suggested that Clark go and get Lois.

The final proof we needed.

It's possible.

I wish we knew.

Yeah I think I usually watch eps like 3 times before I review them, at least for new eps.

I've usually watched them a lot.

Yep he loves knowing that they're meant for each other.

Yes I love that. I love that they actively choose to be with each other b/c they want to be with each other and not just b/c they're supposed to be together.

Exactly.

At least I didn't waste any smilies on that.

True.

You.

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You really should have rewatched so you could comment on this.

If I did that for all of the reviews you owe me comments on then I wouldn’t have time for anything else. Sorry, sorry, I’m kidding! In all seriousness though I didn’t think of it and this ep is a great ep but it’s not one that I’d just choose to watch on its own. I’d probably have to do an entire S9 rewatch to watch it.

I expected that Toxic predated everything else, since she was like a different person then. That would explain her obsession with Clark.

Yeah that’s why I thought it was a good twist for her character, because I thought there was some build up there. Unlike the Henry James Olsen rubbish from S8.

Agreed, and yeah that bugged me about Checkmate too.

Many things bugged me about Checkmate, which IMO was the weakest non-Lois ep in S9, and that was just one of them.

I don't know if they could have trimmed that much to be honest, but they could have added in some more Clois Or some more of something else.

Hmm maybe. It felt like the first hour was all exposition and we didn’t get to the real action stuff until the 2nd hour.

I can't recall what episode it was from. I wish I could say. Maybe the episode when we got to see Lex's future? The one when the woman died. That seems rather cryptic sorry. And that might be what wFate meant.

Oh I think you mean Hourglass. You’re talking about the one with the woman who could see the future right?

who knows.

We will know soon enough.

Yes we will!

Lois is awesome!

She’s my favourite female character ever.

You mean a la Crossfire?

Exactly!

I still need it.

Yep me too.

That makes sense.

I think so.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Tom is doing that.

He’s so charming! How can MR tell him no?

I love he took it that way too!

Hee love Dr. Fate.

This I hope we get more of in the future.

He should model the suit for her and see how much she loves it and then she can ravish him b/c she thinks he looks so awesome in it and...yeah I have a one track mind.

Exactly, Clark doesn't get/show jealousy towards the Blur or anything like that unless it's Zod faking it. And interesting to think Calrk wanted her to know back then, but then, Kara seemed to think that Clark let Lois get so close to him way back at Bloodline b/c he thought she'd handle it.

Yeah and I like how Kelly on DI used that scene with Lois telling Clark what Dr. Fate said as what confirmed Lois’ suspicions that Clark was the Blur in her fanfic “Knight In Shining Armor”.

True, at least it served a purpose, but it's still annoying he gets two. I hope it's only 1 though now.

He’d better only get one. Frankly I don’t see why anyone would want to have even one ep on the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold. They’re not exactly big names from what I know.

I think I've seen this episode in it's entirety three times. When it aired, so I miss stuff. After it aired and then for the review.

Yeah I think it’s the same for me.

Ah okay, we saw it again in Lazarus.

Yep.

He probably was! I wonder if he gets the script and checks that first.

LOL. I’m picturing that now.

BP & KS: So we’d really love for you to come back on the show again and get to interact with Lois.

Michael Shanks: That’s really nice of you and I had a blast the last time, but I dunno...

KS: It’ll be great really. We’ll go more into Carter’s back story and relate his relationship with Shayera to Clark’s relationship with Lois.

MS: I hear what you’re saying and it does sound awesome but..

BP: Did we mention that you don’t have to wear the Hawkman costume?

MS: Oh okay then. Sold.

LMAO

It makes me sad that we may see him die now.

He could pay all of the JLA's bills.

Yep. Having a billionaire around must come in handy.

Universe, if you have time we'd like MM again!

And have him interact with Lois!

There really are few we can say that to which I hate.

I’m confused. Do you mean there are few eps that you can say that you don’t hate Chloe in?

Clois often do.

Their relationship is just...no words for how awesome they are.

Makes me giddy to think it was b/c she'd missed the first hour.

Hmm I wonder if it was TW’s and/or ED’s choice to do it that way or if it was written in the script like that.

And it's continuing this season.

I LOVE that!

The final proof we needed.

Tess can be one of Lois’ bridesmaids.

I've usually watched them a lot.

Yeah same here. I watched Shield like 5 times.

Exactly.

And that’s just one of the million reasons why they’re so incredible together.

You.

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) If I did that for all of the reviews you owe me comments on then I wouldn’t have time for anything else. Sorry, sorry, I’m kidding! In all seriousness though I didn’t think of it and this ep is a great ep but it’s not one that I’d just choose to watch on its own. I’d probably have to do an entire S9 rewatch to watch it.

I'm in the process of a full S9 rewatch.

Yeah that’s why I thought it was a good twist for her character, because I thought there was some build up there. Unlike the Henry James Olsen rubbish from S8.

Is ignoring this because Jimmy Olsen is alive and well!

Many things bugged me about Checkmate, which IMO was the weakest non-Lois ep in S9, and that was just one of them.

I think it's a toss up between Checkmate and Sacrifice.

Hmm maybe. It felt like the first hour was all exposition and we didn’t get to the real action stuff until the 2nd hour.

True.

Oh I think you mean Hourglass. You’re talking about the one with the woman who could see the future right?

Yeah.

She’s my favourite female character ever.

After seeing Erica play her in Smallville, I'd say she's mine too.

He’s so charming! How can MR tell him no?

I find it hard to believe the word "no" exists when Welling is around.

He should model the suit for her and see how much she loves it and then she can ravish him b/c she thinks he looks so awesome in it and...yeah I have a one track mind.

It's understandable...I'd love to see her trying to extricate him from it...not him just superchanging out of it.

Yeah and I like how Kelly on DI used that scene with Lois telling Clark what Dr. Fate said as what confirmed Lois’ suspicions that Clark was the Blur in her fanfic “Knight In Shining Armor”.

Think I forget that one.

He’d better only get one. Frankly I don’t see why anyone would want to have even one ep on the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold. They’re not exactly big names from what I know.

I have no clue about them at all.

LOL. I’m picturing that now. BP & KS: So we’d really love for you to come back on the show again and get to interact with Lois. Michael Shanks: That’s really nice of you and I had a blast the last time, but I dunno... KS: It’ll be great really. We’ll go more into Carter’s back story and relate his relationship with Shayera to Clark’s relationship with Lois. MS: I hear what you’re saying and it does sound awesome but.. BP: Did we mention that you don’t have to wear the Hawkman costume? MS: Oh okay then. Sold. LMAO

I bet that's how it happens.

Yep. Having a billionaire around must come in handy.

Especially if you need to "borrow" money.

And have him interact with Lois!

Yes! We've never seen them together.

I’m confused. Do you mean there are few eps that you can say that you don’t hate Chloe in?

Yeah.

Hmm I wonder if it was TW’s and/or ED’s choice to do it that way or if it was written in the script like that.

Let's go one better and say it was a joint Wellance decision!

Tess can be one of Lois’ bridesmaids.

I think that's taking it too far!

Yeah same here. I watched Shield like 5 times.

I've lost count.

And that’s just one of the million reasons why they’re so incredible together.

The billions of reasons!

You.

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I'm in the process of a full S9 rewatch.

I got my DVDs but I haven't done that yet, b/c I've been busy with my other shows. Also I started watching Chuck.

Is ignoring this because Jimmy Olsen is alive and well!

Yay!

I think it's a toss up between Checkmate and Sacrifice.

For me it's clearly Checkmate, because at least Sacrifice didn't make Clark act OOC and look terrible. Also I think Checkmate had way more Chloe worship.

Yeah.

Oh okay. I think that woman's name was Cassandra like the figure in Greek Mythology who could see into the future.

After seeing Erica play her in Smallville, I'd say she's mine too.

I find it hard to believe the word "no" exists when Welling is around.

IKR?

It's understandable...I'd love to see her trying to extricate him from it...not him just superchanging out of it.

Yeah that's what I meant

Think I forget that one.

Re-read it.

I have no clue about them at all.

All I remember about Booster Gold is that he as in one ep of the animated JLA series.

I bet that's how it happens.

Yep not wearing the outfit again was the deal breaker.

Especially if you need to "borrow" money.

*Snort*

Yes! We've never seen them together.

Which is major fail btw. I can't believe they brought Dean Cain to the show in an ep tha was all about Chloe.

Let's go one better and say it was a joint Wellance decision!

Okay that works.

I think that's taking it too far!

I don't.

I've lost count.

Really? That many?

The billions of reasons!

Exactly!

You!

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) I got my DVDs but I haven't done that yet, b/c I've been busy with my other shows. Also I started watching Chuck.

I've still to start on a lot of shows this season. My White Collar watch seems to have stalled.

For me it's clearly Checkmate, because at least Sacrifice didn't make Clark act OOC and look terrible. Also I think Checkmate had way more Chloe worship.

See, it's a toss up because I don't really recall either.

Oh okay. I think that woman's name was Cassandra like the figure in Greek Mythology who could see into the future.

Sounds familiar.

Yeah that's what I meant

Glad we're on the same page.

Re-read it.

Is this about fic?

All I remember about Booster Gold is that he as in one ep of the animated JLA series.

That's more than I know.

*Snort*

Which is major fail btw. I can't believe they brought Dean Cain to the show in an ep tha was all about Chloe.

Don't get it.

Okay that works.

They always do

Really? That many?

yep!

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I've still to start on a lot of shows this season. My White Collar watch seems to have stalled.

That's sad.

See, it's a toss up because I don't really recall either.

Well then since I remember the eps better than you do, you should trust me that Checkmate was worse.

Sounds familiar.

Yep.

Is this about fic?

Yeah. You know since we're still on the same page you could have just scrolled up to see what I was referring to .

That's more than I know.

Um yay me.

Don't get it.

They should bring Dean back so he can finally interact with Erica.

yep!

And do you always watch episodes so many times that you lose count the first week after they air?

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) That's sad.

Actually I watched one yesterday.

Well then since I remember the eps better than you do, you should trust me that Checkmate was worse.

I should.

Yeah. You know since we're still on the same page you could have just scrolled up to see what I was referring to .

Note to Karen - read Knight in Shining Armour.

Um yay me.

Not sure it's worthy of a yay

They should bring Dean back so he can finally interact with Erica.

Yes and he's up for it.

And do you always watch episodes so many times that you lose count the first week after they air?

Depends on how awesome the episode is. I've lost count with Homecoming already.

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Actually I watched one yesterday.

Which ep was that?

I should.

Do you? Unless you want to go and watch Checkmate and Sacrifice for yourself again to see which one's worse.

Note to Karen - read Knight in Shining Armour.

You can find it on DI or on Kelly's ff.net profile.

Not sure it's worthy of a yay

Hush you.

Yes and he's up for it.

I love you Dean Cain! C'mon TPTB bring him back!

Depends on how awesome the episode is. I've lost count with Homecoming already.

That's understandable. I've watched the ep 4x in its entirety but I've watched the Clois scenes way too many times to count. I'm going back to my bedtime ritual of watching the Clois bits of the latest ep of SV before I go to bed.

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) Which ep was that?

113 - Front Man.

Do you? Unless you want to go and watch Checkmate and Sacrifice for yourself again to see which one's worse.

I actually will, when I get there.

You can find it on DI or on Kelly's ff.net profile.

Just read it, I recall it now.

Hush you.

Ouch.

I love you Dean Cain! C'mon TPTB bring him back!

Bring him back!

That's understandable. I've watched the ep 4x in its entirety but I've watched the Clois scenes way too many times to count. I'm going back to my bedtime ritual of watching the Clois bits of the latest ep of SV before I go to bed.

I always end up doing that anyway!

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113 - Front Man.

Okay then you only have one ep left in S1.

I actually will, when I get there.

Okay I won't try to stop you since they're nowhere near as bad as the AoS.

Just read it, I recall it now.

Good.

Bring him back!

Pretty please?

I always end up doing that anyway!

Even when new eps aren't airing?

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Originally Posted by now.it.all.begins (View Post) Okay then you only have one ep left in S1.

Yep, if I could stop watching Smallville I'd get to see it!

Okay I won't try to stop you since they're nowhere near as bad as the AoS.

I watch every episode on DVD once.

Pretty please?

We'll be good!

Even when new eps aren't airing?

Yes.

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Yep, if I could stop watching Smallville I'd get to see it!

I watch every episode on DVD once.

I know and I still don't get that btw. Why torture yourself some more after watching an episode once and knowing that it was horrible?

Yes.

Okay.

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B/c I paid for them and I like to watch it. To be honest I don't recall a lot of those two episodes. probably for a good reason but Clark looked fiiiine in them.

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Okay. I guess that works.